For the regular Meso members

[drockspang1]

Fellas, I can no longer keep quiet about my OPINION about this board.

I want to start off by stating I have no hard proof about what I'm going to suggest. And I am in no way suggesting Millard is privy or party to any of this. But everything you'll need to form an opinion is right here in the underground section. I believe there is a group of guys on Meso, that are behind 85-90% of the ugl's that pop up here. I believe some of these guys have multiple handles, and you may know them as a "respected vet" of the community. All the while he & his homeboys are robbing you with underdosed or bunk gear. I've been reading Meso for about 7-8 months. And in that short amount of time there have been a number of scams(most notably Herc... not sure you can call Bio a scam per se?) and literally dozens of ugl's that pop up and seemingly disappear overnight. I sometimes think; how easy would it be for me and a couple of my freinds, who no one online knows we all know each other, to set up a board. Create an environment of brotherhood. An us against them feel. And actually play both sides of the fence. It would be TOO easy. No one but a handful of long standing members know one another. You could have 10 handles on here and no one would be none the wiser. There's just something that bugs me about this place? I don't know what it is. But something's off.

I don't want to imply Millard. Don't know him, so I can't speak to it. But it could be happening on here and he could be unaware. So Millard, I'm not trying to impugn your character. But you got to admit: things in the underground have gotten goofy... no? I find it hard to believe there aren't "repeat" offenders on here. Look at the Pep thread. Fucking guy comes out of no where. Kane, who nobody's heard of on THIS board, speaks up for Pep, and then 1 or 2 Meso vets speak up for Kane, and it's off to the races. Pep has had very little resistance since. Now look at that fucking mess. Fucking guy is going to hurt somebody man. This shit isnt funny. Tighten up!
Same thing happened with Herc. Virtually no one gave him a hard time. And we all know how that turned out.

I was getting pm's from Kane about Pep "specials". Wtf? How can I take you seriously bro? How can anybody look at his posts, and think he's a "neautral" party? Anyway, there are some good bros on here. I've had numerous pms & email conversations with some of you, about this very topic. I'm not alone. We may be the minority opinion, but that opinion matters. Remember boys, they need us a whole lot more then we need them. Me personally, I have given up on Meso sources. It's just too risky imo. I still like to read the ugl section. It can be entertaining. The Mens health forum is pretty cool too.

Anyway, if you're relatively new here, or even if you have your doubts. I would be very diligent in selecting a source on this board. I posed this question on the Bio thread a couple of weeks ago. Now since then Getm has made a bit of a resurgence. But, there isn't 1 lab that's been here more then a year(maybe Naps, but from my findings, they've only been on Meso a couple mos).... What's that tell you? Be safe gents

My 2 cents

 

[Mike Oxbig]

Sources go bad, this isn't something native to Meso. There is no doubt that some sources that have been blacklisted here have almost certainly renamed and tried starting up again but you're taking the theory a bit far IMO.

As for Kane, he is obviously a shill.

 

[ChillBill]

I agree there in many handles with the same persons pushing there agenda
Its up to the reader to decide whose who.
It sucks but what can we do

 

[noah_k]

It's nothing new for old time regulars to "push their hand" so to speak on online communities. Discuss things in private and use their influence to manipulate things a bit, that's not conspiracy, that's just how things go, with or without good intentions. Not always for gain or cheat, but just to influence things as they see is the best fit, for themselves or for all. I've seen it firsthand.

Maybe some of it is going on here. Not "85-90", that sounds a bit extreme. But there are definitely good guys out there, more good for every bad. And you have to realize there are actual UGLs that are just people that decided to start converting raws into cash with the associated risk, nothing more, nothing less. An uncensored board is as good as it's going to get, the rest is just speculation and being as careful as can be, and speaking openly.

 

[fit2beking]

drock makes a lot of valid points. If you take a step back and look at it from his point of view it does make a lot of sense. These UGL's do not deserve a free pass. They should hve to prove their worth.

 

[TheGuy85]

I, too, have been sketched out by the sources on here. I know how easy it is to use multiple handles under diff. IPs. There has been a pattern of UGLs popping up and disappearing. And think about it, a source could open up under a diff. UGL name and be the same source. Then when the older one goes bad the newer one gets major attention. So not to look suspicious the source that went bad wouldn't pop up under a new name right after it went bad, but would probably open up under a new name (same source) while the other one (same source) is still up and running. After the new UGL obtains some credibility the source decides to sink the other UGL.

Someone or some people might do this for multiple reasons. 1.) To scam and 2.) to keep from becoming too hot. Drug dealers use aliases and will set up shop in a different location under a different alias to throw off a possible LE investigation. As far as a UGL sending out dirty gear, this is the worst mistake they can make, and will attract LEs attention much more quickly when people start getting fucked up and ending up in a hospital.

Honestly, the legal issues behind AAS causes too many problems IMO and I am getting close to just going back to running ProHormones/Designer Steroids. If I knew someone in person who was selling their prescription of Test, I would definitely pick that up, though.

 

[JackC4]

There's definitely multiple handles being used, who ? I don't know. I think there is a difference between a vet stepping up for a decent source, and a vet stepping for oh I dunno Herc and knowing shady shit is going down.

With all the new labs showing up here and shelling out free
gear to a couple guys proves nothing. I think it makes it easier for scams to be pulled
by guys letting their guard down. I don't believe there is a grand conspiracy here at meso. Where ever there's money to be made the blood sucking leaches won't be far away.

 

[fit2beking]

There's definitely multiple handles being used, who ? I don't know. I think there is a difference between a vet stepping up for a decent source, and a vet stepping for oh I dunno Herc and knowing shady shit is going down.

With all the new labs showing up here and shelling out free
gear to a couple guys proves nothing. I think it makes it easier for scams to be pulled
by guys letting their guard down. I don't believe there is a grand conspiracy here at meso. Where ever there's money to be made the blood sucking leaches won't be far away.

Exactly! It proves nothing.

 

[BIGMESC]

@drock and Meso members

When I started viewing Meso a year ago there were not may sources on here. The Vets were talking about the last round of Ugl's that went bad and how Scroixx a well know brand was shorting tabs, under filling and under dosing gear. I took the time to look at the site in total from the articles, profiles and the forums outside the underground.

I think you get a better idea of the Meso community as a whole this way. You see who contributes on Health, Diet, Pct and life in general. Then when you see these guys post in the underground you have some understanding of there legitimacy and where they are coming from.

The underground is an uncensored free for all, only one unique aspect of Meso and a interesting and unique concept that Millard has allowed to run unfettered, I for one appreciate that liberty but the responsibility is ours as members of Meso to look out for ourselves and fellow members.

When all these sources started popping up the Vets started sounding the alarm if you were listening. They said like economic bubbles this too will pop and there will be trouble.

So here we are full circle one year later. Questionable sources, possible scammers, and shills galore in the underground.

Honestly I do not have enough experience in this game or am I smart enough in the realm of deception to figure it out. I would not doubt that there is or could be games like you portray being played out.

But I do know for a fact that there are straight talking, speak it like they see it, Vets and senior members like yourself that make Meso truly exceptional and in a class by itself.

I second you advice to any new members now is not the time to jump in, watch, wait, read and do your research.

 

[noah_k]

Yeah I'm still a pretty new user, don't think my opinion holds that sort of weight at all, but I tried to make that point clear when I was set to test the new ascendant lab's stuff. I've gotten quite a few PMs about it, too. I try to emphasize in the AL thread, I really like what I've received and how everything's been going so far, we've got results, we've got bloods, I like the guy himself personally, but by no means is this is an indication that shit won't go sour. If suddenly all the disgruntled PEP members jump on board, then end up with a different experience... well that should be expected by now! Hope for the best, expect the worst, it's all calculated risk at the end of the day. He could be a guy trying to give a service for cash, and that's it, or he could be Herc with another story about moving from local sourcing to online. We can't know.

I guess I'm throwing this out there more for peace of mind than anything, so if something bad does happen, I can just point to this and say "not my fault, son!"

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

You make a lot of good points. I have no doubt the same people are behind many (maybe most) of these UGLs. I believe Stretch was involved with Hercules and maybe some others, as well. It's far too easy to source at Meso.

I've been urging against using these new UGLs since I got here. The only reason they come to Meso is because they lack the funding necessary to sponsor source boards. IOW, they are trying to setup shop on the cheap - hoping to get a so called "vet" to give them credibility by accepting free samples. And sadly, there is always someone willing to accept. But, when a lab lacks financial resources, quality control becomes non existent. The lab puts profit ahead of everything else. And as we saw with Stretch, when a problem arises - even a minor problem - it's the regular customer that gets screwed because the lab can't afford to make it right.

Another reason to avoid new labs is their short life expectancy. Jim has been urging members to avoid UGLs that haven't been in business for at least two years. The reason is the lifespan of an UGL is usually measured in weeks to a few months at best, and when the lab goes down, it usually take customer's money with it. We've all seen that firsthand. If you go back to last spring when Bio first started, look at how many UGLs have come and gone. The only two labs still here are GETM and Naps. And both had been in business for years before coming to Meso. It still doesn't guarantee you won't get scammed but your odds are improved by an order of magnitude.

The bottom line - new labs without references are EXTREMELY risky. The chances that any survive for more that 6 months is very slim.

Meso has provided the tools needed - an uncensored forum. Millard has given the members free reign to use those tools to deal with sources in any way they see fit. It's now up to the members to decide how they want to proceed.

Regards
CBS

 

[drockspang1]

CBS:^^^ spot on as usual. Very true words right there fellas. I also think that Stretch was involved in Herc. I was too much of a pussy back then to speak on my "gut" feeling. Not anymore. I will never again put me wanting to be "accepted" or not wanting to draw attention to myself, above me speaking my mind.

 

[Millard]

@drockspang1 I think everyone should read your post. There is too much trust. There is not enough skepticism. Your post is a good start.

The beauty of this subforum is its transparency. The truth is here. Unfortunately, it's not always readily apparent. It may be buried in a sea of bullshit and praise by source sycophants.

MESO members must be vigilant.

There will be countless numbers of sources seeking to "game" the system. Their methods will likely become increasingly sophisticated. Members should spend less time praising sources and more time uncovering the subversive marketing methods used by sources.

How does a "trusted member" from "other forums" have any credibility when they come to MESO and 95% of their posts promote a single source? Should they (or anyone else) have any credibility even if only 25% of their posts promote a source?

This forum is not a source board. It is not about promoting sources. It is about exposing all the games and scams and general shit associated with buying steroids on the black market.

The MESO membership should not allow itself to be part of the "game" and be used as marketing tools for drug dealers.

Caveat emptor. The androgen black market sucks.

 

[Millard]

I took the time to look at the site in total from the articles, profiles and the forums outside the underground.

I think you get a better idea of the Meso community as a whole this way. You see who contributes on Health, Diet, Pct and life in general. Then when you see these guys post in the underground you have some understanding of there legitimacy and where they are coming from.

The underground is an uncensored free for all, only one unique aspect of Meso and a interesting and unique concept that Millard has allowed to run unfettered, I for one appreciate that liberty but the responsibility is ours as members of Meso to look out for ourselves and fellow members.

Thank you. You get it.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

CBS:^^^ spot on as usual. Very true words right there fellas. I also think that Stretch was involved in Herc. I was too much of a pussy back then to speak on my "gut" feeling. Not anymore. I will never again put me wanting to be "accepted" or not wanting to draw attention to myself, above me speaking my mind.

I wish more felt that way. There's no reason to fear speaking what you believe to be the truth. That's supposed to be why we're here. So what if it pisses someone off - it doesn't hurt. I should know - I piss people off all the time - just ask PC and Christine.

 

[drockspang1]

Thanks Millard. I wasn't sure how you'd take my post?

Caveat emptor indeed!

 

[JackC4]

^^ Kudos for making this thread , this is going to be very benificial to the UG section and the forum as a whole. Make these motherfuckers work for a living

 

[TheGuy85]

@drockspang1 I think everyone should read your post. There is too much trust. There is not enough skepticism. Your post is a good start.

The beauty of this subforum is its transparency. The truth is here. Unfortunately, it's not always readily apparent. It may be buried in a sea of bullshit and praise by source sycophants.

MESO members must be vigilant.

There will be countless numbers of sources seeking to "game" the system. Their methods will likely become increasingly sophisticated. Members should spend less time praising sources and more time uncovering the subversive marketing methods used by sources.

How does a "trusted member" from "other forums" have any credibility when they come to MESO and 95% of their posts promote a single source? Should they (or anyone else) have any credibility even if only 25% of their posts promote a source?

This forum is not a source board. It is not about promoting sources. It is about exposing all the games and scams and general shit associated with buying steroids on the black market.

The MESO membership should not allow itself to be part of the "game" and be used as marketing tools for drug dealers.

Caveat emptor. The androgen black market sucks.

:true:

 

[freak]

This is a great thread.

I have seen so many rookies with join dates of less than 12 months, singing praises and endorsing UGLs about fast T/A. I guess that makes the UGL legitimate for you.

Also, so many new members begging to free load samples to do a logger for a brand new UGL. :drugs: Do you really have to be that desperate to risk your health with unproven UGLs? Are you that broke financially that you can only ask for freebies.

There is another forum that I have been a member at for many years and a new UGL came on the scene and put several members in the hospital with abcess wounds. They're board rep and connections to the board were banned from communication any longer there. It can happen here too, to the new guys if they don't wake up and stop running like rats to the cheese.

More rookies need to ask themselves, who are all these new members with join dates of 12 months or less endorsing new UGLs to this community and running logs.

I do not hate members who have join dates of less than 12 months. I have seen several members with less than 12 months contributing to the community and not endorsing brand new ugls. They have my respect.

Now some of you are catching on that thugs can run multiple handles. :tiphat How many times over the last 10 years or so do we have to see members get ripped?

Sometimes I post harshly, but its because I have seen a lot of new people hurt themselves and also get ripped by con artists who are domestic and international.

It is common for UGLs to come and go everyday, or weeks at a time. I have seen some like Satchboogie that took care of everybody and used amazing communication and marketing to win the hearts of many members for a longtime. Then... overnight after making some great offers for sale he got everybody's $$$ and disappeared.

Some scamming happens immediately and some happens with calculated bogus members endorsing the ugl for months and months and then poof! Gone.... some ripped financially and others with infections.

Would you fuck a $20 crack addict whore in an alley? Then why would you inject some bullshit into your body from an ugl that suddenly pops up with a song and a dance.

Be smart, be patient, wait it out and you will find a reliable source for androgens. And to all those that don't know me... Welcome to the game? :sucks:
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[Millard]

I will never again put me wanting to be "accepted" or not wanting to draw attention to myself, above me speaking my mind.

I wish more felt that way. There's no reason to fear speaking what you believe to be the truth. That's supposed to be why we're here. So what if it pisses someone off - it doesn't hurt.

Thanks Millard. I wasn't sure how you'd take my post?

I do like your post. But please remember, it doesn't really matter what I think. It doesn't matter if I agree or disagree. Your freedom to share your opinions/criticism/suggestions is respected and encouraged here.

As CBS stated, there are no negative consequences meted out by MESO for speaking the truth or what you believe to be the truth.

(But keep in mind that the same does not hold true of malicious black market sources. I encourage members to take steps to avoid being placed in a position where they are intimidated by such sources.)