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Eman
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@Whoremoans - have you ever tried kratom?
I wish I had had it around when I went through withdrawal. I hesitated to mention it before, but if you're using oxy's to get off sub's... It may be a better alternative.
I can't see how any progress could be made by using oxy to help get off something else. It's a step forward and then a step back to me.
I wish I had had it around when I went through withdrawal. I hesitated to mention it before, but if you're using oxy's to get off sub's... It may be a better alternative.
I can't see how any progress could be made by using oxy to help get off something else. It's a step forward and then a step back to me.
Whoremoans
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I'm about half your age so I haven't been doing this stuff nearly as long, but I've definitely been around the block, and have always felt the same way. Just gotta find a way to fill the void. I don't believe suboxone is sobriety, but I'm also not against using it if you can't keep yourself away from the worse shit without it. My biggest issue with the subs is the fact that I shoot them. I've read quite a bit about how badly suboxone fucks up the veins when IV'd.
Whoremoans
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My rational with using the oxys to get off subs is simply because of the suboxone half life. Similar to the way someone would switch from cypionate to prop before starting a PCT so they didn't have to wait the full 3 weeks for it to clear their system. I'm still going to withdrawal, but it won't be nearly as long and because I have no dependency on oxy, using them for a few days won't really revive that issue. Might not make sense to everybody, but it does to me and I've already committed to the idea. I've tried kratom once but it was just a few capsules my buddy bought from a head shop. Not nearly enough to notice anything, so I've never given it a fair try.
I'm with @Eman on this one. If it were me, I would taper off the subs over anything else personally. Take a 1/4 of your normal dose next week, then a 1/4 for the following week, then 1/4 the following week and ten last week, maybe two, I would take 1/8 (at most) of your original dose EOD
Whoremoans
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It's hard to taper from a dose that's not much bigger than a BB. Suboxone is an extremely potent synthetic opioid. Much more potent than oxycodone. The reason it doesn't produce extremely powerful euphoric/sedative effects is because it's only a partial agonist at the MU opioid receptor and also an antagonist at the Kappa receptor. It has a massive receptor binding affinity, much higher than other opiates. So even in small doses it generally provides the same effect, but in higher doses it doesn't become "more effective" because of its ceiling effect, because it's also an antagonist. My average daily dosage has been about .5mg IV'd. Very small. But still enough. Switching to the oxy for a few days will allow the suboxone half life to clear a bit, without me developing a tolerance to oxycodone simply because I won't be taking it for long enough. By the time I'm out of oxy my withdrawal symptoms from suboxone itself won't be as intense and all I'll really be feeling from the oxy is more of a "come down" than legitimate w/d. At that point I'll be utilizing seroquil for sleep, and neurontin for the other symptoms. Trust me guys, I've had plenty of time to think about this. If I could've gotten something a bit less powerful than the oxys I would have but that's all I could get at the time. I don't think most people realize how truly potent of a drug buprenorphine is, because it doesn't get you ripped like full agonist opioids.
Eman
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I understand man. I never used a Suboxone in my life so I'm not totally familiar with your situation. I am however, familiar with oxy... I can't imagine using that to help wean off of anything.
Kratom was something I could see how people get some relief from withdrawal.
Regardless, I wish you the best on your journey... The quicker the shit is over the better. Getting the weight of the issue off your shoulders will be a relief.
Whoremoans
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You aren't kidding about it being a relief once this shit is over and done with. I'm just ready to get back on the gain train. But I'm not sure how experienced you are in the world of opiates but oxy really isn't that much of a heavyweight in that world. But you are right, it is sort of absurd using oxy to ween, but it is what it is.
Whoremoans
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Taken today. Pretty depleted. No pump. No fullness. Just flexing really hard. Vascularity is getting better. With tren, primo, EQ, and winstrol I can only imagine how veiny I'll be at the end of this cycle, once things get back up and running.
Throwback
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This actually works...
Throwback
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Thats what i was gonna reccomend over roxys oxys percs....a hydro 5 or 7.5 has enough ass to eliminate the uncomfortable aspects of the suboxone withdrawl. Using oxys to step off subs is a mistake imo.
I hate to recommend another illegal drug....but i know several people that have used ice in very low doses to beat the withdrawl symptoms and lethargy of opiate withdrawl.
You need to also find an otc sleep aid but.....meth binds differently uses different receptors and doesnt cause central nervous system dependence.
Addys at 60mg-90 mg daily give similar relief and are much less harsh than meth.
If you take just the eighth of a strip each day orally then eod along with this cycle I cant see why in like a few weeks you couldnt be off the subs completely.
Its what worked for me and i had one hell of a habit.
rjx
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Interesting log. Damn that's a lot of gear. Subscribing.
Throwback
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You know Ive read this thread thru and i keep reading excuse after excuse made by guys that could really be off this shit if they really wanted to be.
I was on 6 to 8 30s roxys and at least 2 40mg opanas daily from 2008 to 2013.
When i finally got my hands onbthe new strips i bought 7.
Withv7 strips over about 45 days i got off all of it. The last 3 weeks i started test e inj at 250 mg per week. I was 50 in 2013.....
The hardest part of the fight initially was filling the time i used to look for pills with something...that something was bb.
If i could do this you guys can all do it...i know you can.
Whoremoans
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I had a problem with amphetamines in the past that I'm not trying to revive. I already got the roxys so that's what I have to work with. Split them all into quarters, so 7.5mg per dose. Once they're gone, seroquil and neurontin.
I know what you mean about BB filling that spot. It's what helped me get away from this bullshit in the first place. AAS and bodybuilding saved my life. But somehow I ran into the wrong people, made some bad decisions, and relapsed. After this time, I'm done with it for good. I have to be. The gear really helps with it all honestly. Hell I quit smoking cigarettes on my first cycle and that's something I never thought I would have done. There's just something about gear that makes me want to live better, as contradicting as that may sound. I just want to see growth. Strength. Progress. I have no desire to drink. Smoke weed. Anything like that. But I opted for suboxone after this last relapse on opiates, like an idiot, and now I'm ready to be done for good.
Perrin Aybara
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I've been through some brutal withdrawals. Methadone was by far the worst, even more so coming off other stuff with it. I went the meth route once and found it really makes the sickness go away, but led to its own problems. Coke makes you feel worse in my experience.
When I kicked 16mg/day of subs I went into the hospital for surgery and they refused to give them to me. The gave me two norcos a day for the week I was in there and sent me home with nothing. I felt fine withdrawal wise after that week. Of course I felt like shit from the surgery and maybe that masked it a little. I had a few other times I got on them and quit and never seemed that bad compared to oxys or methadone.
Throwback
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On 15mg roxys and if u dont bang em plus you limit it to half twice a day then step it down to a half a day you may get it done.
I would try to find bout 8 to 10 hydro 5/325 for when the roxys run out...less if you think your gonna make it...
Good luck man.....you are really close to being there
Your analogy with the cypionate to prop was spot on. What your doing and your reason for doing it that way are spot on also. I don't know how many oxy's you have but the best way to do it is to taper down to like 5 or 10 mg per day of possible. If you can towards the end of the taper try to skip a day here and there. The way your doing it will be the easiest as far as withdrawals go. Stick to your plan though don't get caught up with getting high on the oxy's. Good luck bro
You know what your doing. Stick to your plan. They are only trying to help but they obviously don't know as much about withdrawal and suboxone as you do. I've never had withdrawal from suboxone but every single person I have spoken to about it has said the same thing that it was way worse and prolonged than opiates. I know a few people that have done what your planning and all of them were happy they did it that way. On the other hand I know someone that tried it and relapsed for a year. So just make sure you stick to your plan. I know about withdrawal I went cold turkey from 240mg oxy a day after being on it for 8 months dr prescribed. I would not recommend doing it that way lol. I'm glad that I did though. That dr would still have me on that shit if I didn't quit on my own.
Im sure you know this already but just in case you need to let the suboxone clear your system before you start oxy or it will cause precipitated withdrawal from first dose
I would drop to Trt for withdrawal or at least drop the tren
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