Great to know. It seemed you were quite knowledgeable, but I'm disappointed you weren't fond of the Krebs cycle, lol!
MESO-Rx
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actually, I was most interested in exercise physiology. i couldn't avoid Kreb's cycle. Spent many, many long nights "decoding" it lol
sorry to revive this old thread but I didn't want to hijack the other current thread which talks about frontloading.
Anyone have any issues/side-effects when they go from normal natty test, to 1gram of test in their system, within 4 days? surely this has to create some kind of problem within the body, when you suddenly shock it with so much exogenous test?
Anyone have any issues/side-effects when they go from normal natty test, to 1gram of test in their system, within 4 days? surely this has to create some kind of problem within the body, when you suddenly shock it with so much exogenous test?
Sworder
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Just because you have 1gram of test in your body it doesn't mean it is circulating. It's a depot.
I frontloaded 1g of Tren E and I didn't notice anything adverse to the effect of a shock, re-read post # 1
Just because you have 1gram of test in your body it doesn't mean it is circulating. It's a depot.
I frontloaded 1g of Tren E and I didn't notice anything adverse to the effect of a shock, re-read post # 1
roger that, thanks Sworder. Where have you been man!
anyway, just playing devils advocate here, but yes, even though its a depot, the half life would cause 500+mg of test to be detached from the ester and enter the system, all at once. Compare that to just a little from 1cc of 250mg/ml, which slowly increases during the bi-weekly shots. the amount of ester "processed" would be much smaller.
shit, I hope you understood that. Hard to really get it perfectly explained on paper.
johnnyBALLZ
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I just read this entire thread... I wish I would've only read Sworders first post.
Sworder
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I am always around, I just don't have the time to post that often, and follow up on the posts.
I don't know if it is your wording that is throwing me off. The half life is a measure of the time it takes for the body to metabolize half the injection. It doesn't take 5 days and then whambam all of the esters are cleaved from the testosterone at once. <- That's how I think you are assuming it to be.
It won't be a linear measurement but you could assume about 100mg/day would be metabolized. Now, 100mg/day isn't that much, in my opinion.
This is my second cycle and I frontloaded 900mg (two injections of 450 in each glute) of Test-E on the first day with no problems. I suppose you could get test flu if you are prone to it but I don't really know. I prefer to frontload the first injection rather than dividing it over the first week.
If I remember correctly the rate at which the compound enters the system is exponentially proportional to the time from the injection by a factor equal to the amount of compound injected. Consequently, if you double or triple the amount injected you would also double or triple the rate at which it enters the bloodstream.
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well sworder, I finally did my first cycle with frontload. i really don't know how you people do so many CC's in 1 shot. I had to split it up into two-2cc shots, totaling 4cc. i honestly cant imagine pinning 8cc in a day.
the way I did it was sun: 500mg test E/400mg tren E, repeat on wed. (total 1g test, 800mg tren in the week)
next week onwards it will be 250mg test/200 tren on sun/wed.
lets hope it kicks in by this weekend. i'll be doing bloodwork just to check me E2 levels too. hope the gear is good.
the way I did it was sun: 500mg test E/400mg tren E, repeat on wed. (total 1g test, 800mg tren in the week)
next week onwards it will be 250mg test/200 tren on sun/wed.
lets hope it kicks in by this weekend. i'll be doing bloodwork just to check me E2 levels too. hope the gear is good.
3cc in each glute and 1cc in each delt? Or 2cc in each glute and 2cc in each quad? Tons of ways to pin 8cc spread out. Having a nurse wife helps though.
Sworder
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Nice! Good luck and have a good cycle. 
DieYoungStrong
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Frontload for an 8-10 week cycle or stay on for 16 to see the same results w/ a longer restart....I'll take Frontload for $100 Alex.
Xandoz
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Front loading can be useful when using esters that take longer to kick in that way when you reach the 3-4 week mark everything is stabilizing properly within your bloodstream. I rarely do it but in fact usually use a faster acting steroid as a kick start instead.
I will prob never do another 10-weeker or more. recovery time sucks, and I am no competitor. I can't be eating (and shitting) so much for >10 weeks. hell my ass gets raw after a week of bulking lol.
Ozzy619
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handsolo
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Fantastic thread. I've been going back and forth on whether to front load my next cycle or not. I've read great points of view on both sides. Kind of like the argument over buying or leasing. At this juncture it makes sense to me.
ChuckSipes
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i think its a waste of gear personally. Though I'm not that experienced with AAS.
handsolo
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Ya but if you can shave 4 weeks off a 12 week cycle by front loading you're actually saving gear. A lot is trial and error in this game. It may or may not work to my liking. But there's only one way I'll ever find that out.
Sworder
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I would say it's a waste of gear to NOT frontload. Basically the first 3-4 weeks you aren't getting the gains you want because you are using a much lesser dose than wanted. If you understand the science behind it you will frontload. Most people frontload their SERMs in PCT without knowing it. I assume Chuck is one of those that frontload without knowing it and dismissing frontloading while doing so.
