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Frontloading!

Sworder said:
I wanted to post some information on frontloading as it is something which is seen as an advanced technique but rather I would see that it is very easy and calling it advanced means that you just need to learn more. A lot of the information gathered was exposed to me by Bill Roberts. The purpose of frontloading is to get to the dose you want to metabolize quicker. Waiting 3-5 weeks for the half-lives to build is tedious and unnecessary. PCT with dosages as 40/40/20/20 is not needed. If you want to metabolize 40 mg/day on week one then adjust the amounts so you do. Manipulate the dosage according to the half-life so you metabolize the amount you desire. This is important with Clomid as it is typically used just for two weeks and by that time it will just have reached the level you want.


The following chart measures how much of Testosterone Enthantate you metabolize in Week 1 of a 500mg/week cycle. This was taken from a steroid calculator and the numbers include a 5% waste factor and the numbers may be off by a little but the big picture is the focus.

Day 1: Inject 250 mg of Testosterone Enthantate Metabolize 26 mg
Day 2: Metabolize 23 mg
Day 3: Metabolize 21 mg
Day 4: Inject 250 mg of Test Enthantate Metabolize 44 mg
Day 5: Metabolize 39 mg
Day 6: Metabolize 35mg
Day 7: Metabolize 31 mg

For Week 1 you metabolized only 219 mg of Test E when your goal is 500.

The following is the amount metabolize week 1 when frontloading:
Day 1: Inject 600mgs Test Enthantate Metabolize 62 mg
Day 2: Metabolize 55 mg
Day 3: Metabolize 49 mg
Day 4: Inject 250 mgs Test Enthantate Metabolize 70 mg
Day 5: Metabolize 62 mg
Day 6: Metabolize 55 mg
Day 7: Metabolize 49 mg

For Week 1 when frontloading you will metabolize 402 mg of Test E when your goal is 500. Much better in my opinion.

The Formula

To establish the amount you should inject/ingest on the first day of frontloading you can use a the following formula to calculate the value. IT IS ONLY THE FIRST DAY YOU INJECT THIS AMOUNT. After that you follow your regular injection schedule.

Weekly amount/7xHalf-life in days + regular inject amount = Frontload

For measuring SERMs/AIs this formula is easier to use

Daily amount x half-life + regular dose = Frontload

Example, I am going to do 12 weeks of 500mgs Test E/week, planning on injecting 250 mg Monday and Thursday. How much should I frontload? Using the formula I plug in my values.

500/7 x 5 + 250 = Frontload

71 x 5 + 250 = Frontload

357 + 250 = Frontload

607 = Frontload

Now to get the help get the exact amount of 607 I recommend diluting 1 ml of 250mg/ml Test by adding 7 ml cottonseed oil so you now have a solution which is 31mg/ml and grab your insulin needle and measure 23units(0,23ml) add this volume to your 600 mg of test and you now have your dose measured(607mg). Just kidding you can just round to 600 or whatever number is easier for you.

To assist in your usage of the formula I will include some half-lives. Note, there is a slight variation of half-lives depending on the source. The fact that it is measured in days and not hours grants a +-12 hour variation which isn't too accurate either.

Testosterone Enthantate: 5 days
Testosterone Cypionate: 5 days(The difference between Test E and Test C is rather trivial and this is where the aforementioned -+12hour difference comes into play).
Decanoate(Deca): 6 days (I thought it was a little higher but most medical literature state 6 days)
Boldenone Undecylenate: 14 days

Tamoxifen Citrate(Nolvadex): 5 days You ingest, DO NOT INJECT
Clomiphene citrate(Clomid): 5 days You ingest, DO NOT INJECT
Anastrozole (Arimidex): 2 days You ingest, DO NOT INJECT
Letrozole (Letro, Femara): 2 days You ingest, DO NOT INJECT
hCG: 33hours to 48 hours depending on intramuscular or subcutaneous injection

The latter 3 might not need to be frontloaded but I felt the need to post them anyway.

Also I wanted to incorporate a cheat sheet for the most common ones and those who don't want to read through all this wall of text and learn how to do it. Going to list the Compound and Weekly dosage you wish to do and then the amount you should inject assuming an equal amount is injected twice a week.

Test E/C: 500 mg/week 607 mg on the first day only.
Test E/C: 600 mg/week 678 mg on the first day only.
Test E/C: 750 mg/week 910 mg on the first day only.
Test E/C: 1000 mg/week 1214 mg on the first day only.

Boldenone(Equipoise):400mgs/week 885 mg on the first day only
Boldenone(Equipoise):500mgs/week 1107 mg on the first day only
Boldenone(Equipoise):600mgs/week 1328 mg on the first day only
Boldenone(Equipoise):750mgs/week 1660 mg on the first day only

Tamoxifen Citrate(Nolvadex): 20 mg/day 120 mg on the first day only You ingest, DO NOT INJECT

Clomiphene citrate(Clomid): 50 mg/day 300 mg on the first day only You ingest, DO NOT INJECT
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This is very well put.
 
Sworder said:
I found it funny that you wrote to just kick start with prop or acetate, that it is "so much easier."
The adjective you chose to use "easier" implies that there is something "difficult." Makes sense? :D
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It results in more even blood levels, you can adjust your doses easier if need be and it kicks in faster, even with frontloading.

I'd call that easier overall.

I get your point, but prop or ace are superior to get your cycle moving, IMO.
 
Test_Subject said:
It results in more even blood levels, you can adjust your doses easier if need be and it kicks in faster, even with frontloading.

I'd call that easier overall.

I get your point, but prop or ace are superior to get your cycle moving, IMO.
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If you could show me how it results in more even blood levels, I would take your point as valid. However, I don't think you did the math.
To clarify, we are talking about using prop as a kick-start in a test E cycle vs a frontload of Test E right?
 
Test_Subject said:
I didn't, but the prop feels more even to me.
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Kinda figured you didn't do the math. It's easy to proclaim "this and that results in more even blood levels." Not a lot of people back up their claims.

Compared to? Because you have tried frontloading right? It wouldn't make sense if you argue for one thing but haven't even tried the other.
 
Sworder said:
Kinda figured you didn't do the math. It's easy to proclaim "this and that results in more even blood levels." Not a lot of people back up their claims.

Compared to? Because you have tried frontloading right? It wouldn't make sense if you argue for one thing but haven't even tried the other.
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Of course I have. If I hadn't tried both, I wouldn't have posted. I can't really say that I prefer something if I haven't experienced its alternative.
 
Sworder said:
I wanted to post some information on frontloading as it is something which is seen as an advanced technique but rather I would see that it is very easy and calling it advanced means that you just need to learn more. A lot of the information gathered was exposed to me by Bill Roberts. The purpose of frontloading is to get to the dose you want to metabolize quicker. Waiting 3-5 weeks for the half-lives to build is tedious and unnecessary. PCT with dosages as 40/40/20/20 is not needed. If you want to metabolize 40 mg/day on week one then adjust the amounts so you do. Manipulate the dosage according to the half-life so you metabolize the amount you desire. This is important with Clomid as it is typically used just for two weeks and by that time it will just have reached the level you want.


The following chart measures how much of Testosterone Enthantate you metabolize in Week 1 of a 500mg/week cycle. This was taken from a steroid calculator and the numbers include a 5% waste factor and the numbers may be off by a little but the big picture is the focus.

Day 1: Inject 250 mg of Testosterone Enthantate Metabolize 26 mg
Day 2: Metabolize 23 mg
Day 3: Metabolize 21 mg
Day 4: Inject 250 mg of Test Enthantate Metabolize 44 mg
Day 5: Metabolize 39 mg
Day 6: Metabolize 35mg
Day 7: Metabolize 31 mg

For Week 1 you metabolized only 219 mg of Test E when your goal is 500.

The following is the amount metabolize week 1 when frontloading:
Day 1: Inject 600mgs Test Enthantate Metabolize 62 mg
Day 2: Metabolize 55 mg
Day 3: Metabolize 49 mg
Day 4: Inject 250 mgs Test Enthantate Metabolize 70 mg
Day 5: Metabolize 62 mg
Day 6: Metabolize 55 mg
Day 7: Metabolize 49 mg

For Week 1 when frontloading you will metabolize 402 mg of Test E when your goal is 500. Much better in my opinion.

The Formula

To establish the amount you should inject/ingest on the first day of frontloading you can use a the following formula to calculate the value. IT IS ONLY THE FIRST DAY YOU INJECT THIS AMOUNT. After that you follow your regular injection schedule.

Weekly amount/7xHalf-life in days + regular inject amount = Frontload

For measuring SERMs/AIs this formula is easier to use

Daily amount x half-life + regular dose = Frontload

Example, I am going to do 12 weeks of 500mgs Test E/week, planning on injecting 250 mg Monday and Thursday. How much should I frontload? Using the formula I plug in my values.

500/7 x 5 + 250 = Frontload

71 x 5 + 250 = Frontload

357 + 250 = Frontload

607 = Frontload

Now to get the help get the exact amount of 607 I recommend diluting 1 ml of 250mg/ml Test by adding 7 ml cottonseed oil so you now have a solution which is 31mg/ml and grab your insulin needle and measure 23units(0,23ml) add this volume to your 600 mg of test and you now have your dose measured(607mg). Just kidding you can just round to 600 or whatever number is easier for you.

To assist in your usage of the formula I will include some half-lives. Note, there is a slight variation of half-lives depending on the source. The fact that it is measured in days and not hours grants a +-12 hour variation which isn't too accurate either.

Testosterone Enthantate: 5 days
Testosterone Cypionate: 5 days(The difference between Test E and Test C is rather trivial and this is where the aforementioned -+12hour difference comes into play).
Decanoate(Deca): 6 days (I thought it was a little higher but most medical literature state 6 days)
Boldenone Undecylenate: 14 days

Tamoxifen Citrate(Nolvadex): 5 days You ingest, DO NOT INJECT
Clomiphene citrate(Clomid): 5 days You ingest, DO NOT INJECT
Anastrozole (Arimidex): 2 days You ingest, DO NOT INJECT
Letrozole (Letro, Femara): 2 days You ingest, DO NOT INJECT
hCG: 33hours to 48 hours depending on intramuscular or subcutaneous injection

The latter 3 might not need to be frontloaded but I felt the need to post them anyway.

Also I wanted to incorporate a cheat sheet for the most common ones and those who don't want to read through all this wall of text and learn how to do it. Going to list the Compound and Weekly dosage you wish to do and then the amount you should inject assuming an equal amount is injected twice a week.

Test E/C: 500 mg/week 607 mg on the first day only.
Test E/C: 600 mg/week 678 mg on the first day only.
Test E/C: 750 mg/week 910 mg on the first day only.
Test E/C: 1000 mg/week 1214 mg on the first day only.

Boldenone(Equipoise):400mgs/week 885 mg on the first day only
Boldenone(Equipoise):500mgs/week 1107 mg on the first day only
Boldenone(Equipoise):600mgs/week 1328 mg on the first day only
Boldenone(Equipoise):750mgs/week 1660 mg on the first day only

Tamoxifen Citrate(Nolvadex): 20 mg/day 120 mg on the first day only You ingest, DO NOT INJECT

Clomiphene citrate(Clomid): 50 mg/day 300 mg on the first day only You ingest, DO NOT INJECT
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IMO frontloading at higher dosages is dangerous
you could get stroke from sudden high blood pressure

I prefer pyramiding up from half the total dosage
I don't know if by pyramiding up somehow your body progressively gets accustomed to high dose gear, or you have more time to do what it takes (donating blood, BP meds) to keep bp in check.
 
On day 4 now of this cycle. Frontloading caused massive PIP in both legs, as I haven't injected in a long ass time and it was just way more than I usually do.. Have noticed water retention and fullness so far.. May be due to the A50 though (which I had to drop today due to the water retention) :p Since I dropped the drol, should I expect to feel the EQ+Test by about the end of next week?
 
SmashingLaw said:
On day 4 now of this cycle. Frontloading caused massive PIP in both legs, as I haven't injected in a long ass time and it was just way more than I usually do.. Have noticed water retention and fullness so far.. May be due to the A50 though (which I had to drop today due to the water retention) :p Since I dropped the drol, should I expect to feel the EQ+Test by about the end of next week?
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I don't if you frontloaded the correct amount.
 
master.on said:
IMO frontloading at higher dosages is dangerous
you could get stroke from sudden high blood pressure

I prefer pyramiding up from half the total dosage
I don't know if by pyramiding up somehow your body progressively gets accustomed to high dose gear, or you have more time to do what it takes (donating blood, BP meds) to keep bp in check.
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Do you have anything evidence(anecdotal even) that your BP shoots up high when frontloading?
Frontloading is basically a way to run "short esters," the drugs get in your system quicker; so any change that would happen from a frontload would happen from taking the short ester version so I don't see your point. But if you could explain further I would appreciate it.
 
I am heading out on a week long vacation and had plans to start my cycle the day of me return. For this cycle I am using Test E as the foundation. I was considering front loading with Test C prior to my departure, but am a little unsure of how to go about it. My thoughts were that by the time I got back my Test would already be elevated and I wouldn't have to wait as long for the Test E to kick in. Am I crazy in thinking this? This would be my first time front loading, please advise!
 
Unknown22514 said:
I am heading out on a week long vacation and had plans to start my cycle the day of me return. For this cycle I am using Test E as the foundation. I was considering front loading with Test C prior to my departure, but am a little unsure of how to go about it. My thoughts were that by the time I got back my Test would already be elevated and I wouldn't have to wait as long for the Test E to kick in. Am I crazy in thinking this? This would be my first time front loading, please advise!
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No your not crazy thinking that. It's exactly what will happen. What will your weekly dose of test be?? By frontloading your essentially getting more test metabolized into your system faster. I always frontloaded after my first cycle. I don't think it changes the outcome of your cycle, but your levels will be elevated quicker. Since you've never done it though, I would wait till you get home. I always got "test" flu after a frontload. You don't want that on vacation. And for all of you test flu doesn't exist people. Suck a D! Enjoy yourself and start when you get home. Just my opinion.
 
hurricane said:
No your not crazy thinking that. It's exactly what will happen. What will your weekly dose of test be?? By frontloading your essentially getting more test metabolized into your system faster. I always frontloaded after my first cycle. I don't think it changes the outcome of your cycle, but your levels will be elevated quicker. Since you've never done it though, I would wait till you get home. I always got "test" flu after a frontload. You don't want that on vacation. And for all of you test flu doesn't exist people. Suck a D! Enjoy yourself and start when you get home. Just my opinion.
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Oh, I definitely believe in test flu, but I've only ever gotten it with Prop. Didn't take test flu into consideration, that's a good point. My weekly dose will be 750mgs of Test E. 375 every 3.5 days. And like I said, I was considering front loading with Test C so I wouldn't have to do any injections while on the trip.
 
Unknown22514 said:
Oh, I definitely believe in test flu, but I've only ever gotten it with Prop. Didn't take test flu into consideration, that's a good point. My weekly dose will be 750mgs of Test E. 375 every 3.5 days. And like I said, I was considering front loading with Test C so I wouldn't have to do any injections while on the trip.
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So with 750mg a week I personally would inject 1gram. But I've gone up to 1,250 on a frontload. I'm not advocating that. And I know I felt like shit for about a week to 10 days. I would wait. It's just not worth it to be sick. If you don't want to inject on your trip inject 500mg of test c the day you leave. You'll still have elevated levels when you return. If it's all about jump starting your cycle do that.
 
Fair points, I may just wait. At the most I'll probably do 750mg the day before I leave. I know that's not necessarily front loading as it's going to be my weekly dose of test anyway, but it will at least get my levels up so I won't have to wait as long when I return.
 
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