Stretch
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I get it. If you read frustration in my post, it was frustration with my own ignorance, and inability to convey my point, and not with your question.
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I get it. If you read frustration in my post, it was frustration with my own ignorance, and inability to convey my point, and not with your question.
The only profits they cut is in your wallet. Stretch I've been dealing with GH about the time a chemist colleague was hired by Lilly in the late 1980s, where he remains to this day, becoming "chief" of their "recombinant division".
How many Chinese "generics" have I tried personally?
About ten and all tested no better than 10% pharm grade.
Moreover if you don't understand the varied tests used to determine quality its very difficult to the products IU concentration.
How many Chinese "generics" have I tried personally?
About ten and all tested no better than 10% pharm grade.
Moreover if you don't understand the varied tests used to determine quality its very difficult to the products IU concentration.
ElliotV
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Stretch
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Sounds like you need better suppliers. I got a guy who will sell you 100iu and it WILL BE 100iu....period. Your continued assertion, that GH isn't available without paying astronomical HG prices is shortsighted, and a gross generalization of what is actually known to be occurring by VETs who have been using GH for years. Not to mention the obvious problems of a man of science attempting to make claims of a universal negative.
I don't know how long Hyges will be good for. But they're good now. IME.
At any rate, I have some other Chinese GH, that I believe to also be legit, and it will be tested shortly. So, the proof that you're wrong very well may be right around the corner; of course the results could also show that I am wrong.
PM me and I will hook you up with my guy...11 times is a charm. You could test them for the good of the community. If they don't test, I will refund you myself.
Elliot, I'm not sure if your being serious or just messing with me. If in the off chance your are being serious.... I did quickly check out ebay and found some used MS for sale for a few grand but I haven't the slightest idea what I'm looking at. I always assumed a MS was an extremely expensive piece of equipment? If I could truly get one for a few grand I'd be willing to buy one, use it for as long as I needed and then resell it. However, I still wouldn't have a clue how to use it lol....
Think I'll stick with pharm grade which I know is GTG. Curious Stretch do you KNOW where this GH is manufactured? What lab? Ask your "guy" and watch the discussion and his fund of knowledge decline each second thereafter, or better yet have him PM me I've a few questions to ask also.
Name ONE pharm grade company which manufactures rGH AS "kits"!
The notion is laughable because one pharm grade syringe of roughly 30-40 IU's is enough for most requiring ONE MONTH of therapy, excepting perhaps those with delayed stature.
Have u ever performed the diagnostic gold standard on this GH, IGF levels?
What LAB (one in China) or lab tests (performed in China) were used to determine the IU concentration?
Are you aware of how sophisticated and how well calibrated the analyzers must be (plural text used intentionally because MORE than one test must be performed from beginning to end, to reveal an ACCURATE IU CONCENTRATION?)
This is not my first rodeo when it comes to rHGH on Meso and no one's ever proven my assertions incorrect, generic GH is bunk compared to Pharm grade.
JIM
Name ONE pharm grade company which manufactures rGH AS "kits"!
The notion is laughable because one pharm grade syringe of roughly 30-40 IU's is enough for most requiring ONE MONTH of therapy, excepting perhaps those with delayed stature.
Have u ever performed the diagnostic gold standard on this GH, IGF levels?
What LAB (one in China) or lab tests (performed in China) were used to determine the IU concentration?
Are you aware of how sophisticated and how well calibrated the analyzers must be (plural text used intentionally because MORE than one test must be performed from beginning to end, to reveal an ACCURATE IU CONCENTRATION?)
This is not my first rodeo when it comes to rHGH on Meso and no one's ever proven my assertions incorrect, generic GH is bunk compared to Pharm grade.
JIM
Stretch
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I also don't know where my cheeseburger came from this afternoon, or exactly how they cooked it. I don't give a shit, it was delicious. You probably like eating Kobe beef here in the States as well
Hyges contain more than the listed amount of GH. I have posted tests to prove it. Do you have EVIDENCE that refutes this? Its less than half the price of the GH you pay for, and it works as good or better.
This isn't rocket science, no matter how much you try to elevate the conversation to the production process, my ignorance thereof remains irrelevant. Can you explain to me how the brakes on your car work? How about the production process of different types of pads? No. You just know the car stops when you step on the brake.
Not a perfect analogy I know. Which is why the vets who back the Hyges don't do so, on the basis of how they "feel" after one kit. This is after 6 months and many kits. And after testing.
Why do so many vets back the Hyges if they are crap Jim? Are you saying all of them are stupid? Careful now.
The Hyges test above the label. Trusted vets all over the boards like the Hyges.
Hyges contain more than the listed amount of GH. I have posted tests to prove it. Do you have EVIDENCE that refutes this? Its less than half the price of the GH you pay for, and it works as good or better.
This isn't rocket science, no matter how much you try to elevate the conversation to the production process, my ignorance thereof remains irrelevant. Can you explain to me how the brakes on your car work? How about the production process of different types of pads? No. You just know the car stops when you step on the brake.
Not a perfect analogy I know. Which is why the vets who back the Hyges don't do so, on the basis of how they "feel" after one kit. This is after 6 months and many kits. And after testing.
Why do so many vets back the Hyges if they are crap Jim? Are you saying all of them are stupid? Careful now.
The Hyges test above the label. Trusted vets all over the boards like the Hyges.
ElliotV
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I'm sorry, I couldn't help it!
Yes, I'm messing with you. Sorry.... but yea, you really have to know what you're doing. There are so many types of MS and with a peptide you have to be careful. Most places run like GC MS and I don't think I would mess with/trust that. Too easy to degrade it. A matrix assisted Laser desorption ionization with time of flight (MALDI-TOF) MS would be my choice, and those are expensive and only specialized places generally have them.
However, that's my opinion. I am not an MS expert but I do know a thing or two and it's kinda complicated.
Basically you have to know somebody is what I'm getting at ):
El
P.S. Dr. Jim, gh does come in kits, they're just for institutional use only. Kind of like an ambisome "kit." They're cute.
And no, I don't know the brand but I will take a picture for you next time I'm around.
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Stretch
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Completely untrue. I have posted results that show chinese GH as being overdosed.
You continue to try to prove a universal negative, you will continue to be wrong.
How long have you been working for GETM?
Jim--"I do not work for getm STRETCH!!"
Then why are potential customers being directed to ask you questions?? Oh, let me guess ur just helping out of kindness??
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ElliotV
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That's because it's not "prescribed." It's administered via a team in an institution. E.g. a wound clinic or hospital or rehab facility. It is drop shipped directly from the manufacturer to said facility.
And no, the picture actually confuses me. I'm not sure what intellect I was suppose to gain from that...
I'm just making a point that they do exist. Just because you "prescribe" this stuff does not mean you know it all. New items have come on the market since 1985...
I'm just saying that you can not say they do not exist. These places are showing up all over and instead of having a 25 pack of 10 ml sterile waters sitting around a tiny little 1ml baby one is included! Syringe, not included.
Oh! they look like the glucagen little kit boxes. Better comparison...
And no, the picture actually confuses me. I'm not sure what intellect I was suppose to gain from that...
I'm just making a point that they do exist. Just because you "prescribe" this stuff does not mean you know it all. New items have come on the market since 1985...
I'm just saying that you can not say they do not exist. These places are showing up all over and instead of having a 25 pack of 10 ml sterile waters sitting around a tiny little 1ml baby one is included! Syringe, not included.
Oh! they look like the glucagen little kit boxes. Better comparison...
Stretch
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110amps= 11 vials. Scary shit.
Yea, I was 99.9% sure you were messing with me but I figured what the hell....
I don't really care about testing HGH at this point, just various steroids. I know a lot of universities have MS and they will test samples for a fee but I don't think it's worth the risk. My idea was to bring in what I wanted tested and just say I found it in my sons room and wanted to know what it was lol..... The other idea was to send it to a lab in Mexico and have the results emailed back. Hopefully one of these days I'll figure out a way.....
Stretch
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Don't worry man, I'm a fellow dummy...I was right there with you...I didn't go check eBay...but almost.
ElliotV
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Haha, yea don't that. We do have to alert the authorities if "illicit" substances are found
As u can see each "vial" contains "10" IU and the whole box would therefore have 100IU. Often these "Kits" are available for anywhere between $100-$200, for 100IU, sure.
This same amount varies in price of anywhere between $8-15 /IU for pharm grade depending upon vendor such as UGL vs a local pharmacy. Rhetorically, why is it I don't believe an ill defined UGL in someones garage which normally produces AAS can make rGH and price the product at as low as ONE TENTH the pharm grade cost?
The only Gh which approximates "kit" packaging that I've aware of is Norditropin, which IF SPECIFIED is available in a three pack SYRINGE SET. Fact is, probably 80-90% of existing GH manufacturers have converted to, and are packaging, a self enclosed syringe delivery system.
Why? As a primary means of deterring counterfeiting, (characteristically the syringes are mechanically embossed using proprietary equipment) notable exception, Chinese rHGH, what a surprise, NOT!
However, if your referring to "kits" being the GH products forwarded for formal lab analysis, admittedly I'm not familiar with aspect of GH testing.
Regards
JIM
This same amount varies in price of anywhere between $8-15 /IU for pharm grade depending upon vendor such as UGL vs a local pharmacy. Rhetorically, why is it I don't believe an ill defined UGL in someones garage which normally produces AAS can make rGH and price the product at as low as ONE TENTH the pharm grade cost?
The only Gh which approximates "kit" packaging that I've aware of is Norditropin, which IF SPECIFIED is available in a three pack SYRINGE SET. Fact is, probably 80-90% of existing GH manufacturers have converted to, and are packaging, a self enclosed syringe delivery system.
Why? As a primary means of deterring counterfeiting, (characteristically the syringes are mechanically embossed using proprietary equipment) notable exception, Chinese rHGH, what a surprise, NOT!
However, if your referring to "kits" being the GH products forwarded for formal lab analysis, admittedly I'm not familiar with aspect of GH testing.
Regards
JIM
Stretch
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You know so little about the ugl industry its amazing.
UGL owners brew AAS in the garage...GETM can vouch for that.
They don't get their GH and vial it themselves. They go to China, meet with a contact who produces in a lab, then they brand as they see fit. Until the Chinese start screwing them, which does usually happen, they can have a good run. In the case of HYGES they've been very good for a long time.
And as I've said previously, I DON'T want people to buy Hyges, and I cannot give out my source for them. But this has been my experience and the experience of several other vets who lack an agenda. Not to mention the labratory confirmation which has been posted.
ElliotV
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Okay, to me a "kit" means includes the sterile water. Is this wrong? If so, oops.
We don't use the syringe kits you are talking about but I have seen those as well. The wound team I work with (I was a pharm student for a year and still continue to work with those lovely folk once a month) but we do get kit's with the baby sterile water and I believe like 5 or 10i.u. vials. They're just little ones for individual doses. I don't know the strength I've never actually paid attention. I just like mixing stuff.
But, it's for easier billing, and on site compounding than a bigger "bulk" vial that would need to be compounded in a hood. This way the right needle can also be chosen because for some things they use the lovely green 2" for IM. Ouch and ewe.
Once again, just pointing out they exist. That is all.
But wait, I thought you said "NEVER" and then you too admitted they do come in these nifty little syringe kits.
I got four years until I graduate. I think we will be friends.
El <3
We don't use the syringe kits you are talking about but I have seen those as well. The wound team I work with (I was a pharm student for a year and still continue to work with those lovely folk once a month) but we do get kit's with the baby sterile water and I believe like 5 or 10i.u. vials. They're just little ones for individual doses. I don't know the strength I've never actually paid attention. I just like mixing stuff.
But, it's for easier billing, and on site compounding than a bigger "bulk" vial that would need to be compounded in a hood. This way the right needle can also be chosen because for some things they use the lovely green 2" for IM. Ouch and ewe.
Once again, just pointing out they exist. That is all.
But wait, I thought you said "NEVER" and then you too admitted they do come in these nifty little syringe kits.
I got four years until I graduate. I think we will be friends.
El <3
Haha, yea don't that. We do have to alert the authorities if "illicit" substances are found
OK, that good to know
