Marcus
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Jesus man, and that was your IGF levels? I was going to do half a vial per day and assume it was like 16-18 units per vial. Those numbers are great!!
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That's utter nonsense a bc a 2 week "low IGF level" implies a under dosed product and should be repeated
Serum GH values are a WORTHLESS quantitative means of assaying supplemental GH
I've read this entire GT thread and CND guys criticism and one thing is clear the quality of GT is
consistently inconsistent!
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Marcus
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This is my biggest problem with it, between what you guys tested and everything that has been said
Well I have two kits of it and am not on cycle currently and will get periodic blood test to test consistency. It once I start tren I take it that it won't be valid??
legendary
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Maybe you should read the thread because I did post them
legendary
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lol I edit it. Relax
The use of GH levels as a marker of supplemental GH quality has only been endorsed by generic GH resalers,
Unlike the utility of GH testing for DISGNOSTIC purposes, to my knowledge not a single medical protocol uses such an assay to follow patients on GH bc the results are simply NOT reproducible.
But retailers could care less if the results obtained by consumers are capable of predicting efficacy bc those using their products are also running a variety of other compounds that have a MUCH greater impact on anabolism.
The fact is few on Meso have any idea,
about when, what, how and why GH may be added to a cycle, but are simply following what every other novice in the gym is doing.
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Tothecore773
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Thanks Dr. Jim for your input, did you ever find out anything more inclusive about the vial Z from your earlier GH testing?
I agree with what you are saying all I can do is read what other people experiences have been and learn from that.Jus like aas cycle it was all started from broscience but when knowledgeable people such as yourself come around I like to pick up on everything I can from you. So are you saying generic gh is a waste? Or is it just inconsistent?
Tothecore773
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If I remember correctly it was Godtropin and it showed an abnormal amino pattern. May have been an isolated batch which is why testing and QC is so important.
I believe this was mentioned earlier, but if I recall correctly that sample contained abberrant proteins, E-coli in particular, the presence of which may help explain why some folk develop
a "rash" from generic GH.
Of note such "contamination" is rarely if ever seen in Pharm GH.
Folks you get what you pay for and that's true with generic GH also bc in general the higher priced G--GH was cleaner and more consistent on a quantative basis than the lower priced high volume stuff.
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Is G-GH a waste?
The more appropriate question is is ANY GH a waste?
Well fella I suspect that depends upon what your objective is bc IMO NEITHER are worth the added cost UNLESS one is involved in competitive BB.
I say this bc many of those on Meso will look back ten years from now, long after those "gains" have passed, wondering what do they have to show for all the money spent on their experiment ?
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I understand the money concept you're getting at. But we're gonna blow money on one thing or another it is in our nature, so why not spend it on something that makes us look and feel better. You can't put a price on happiness and sense of well being.So for someone like me who is just a gym rat and wants to get leaner from it and sleep better is it still a waste I must ask. Thanks for your time.
An isolated batch perhaps but IMO, manufacturers will tend to use the same batch to batch methodologies and the required protein ultrafiltration and electrophoresis is unlikely to be an exception.
Here we are talking about some very small PEPS and P-PEPS and the established standard to achieve a Pharm grade product is
Protein Electrophoresis ----- but it's quite expensive AND is likely
being substituted with ultrafiltration exclusively.
Naugahyde
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Naugahyde
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Hesitant to ask this and half expecting the usual shock and awe 'welcome' meso vets such as yourself reserve for newbies asking uninformed questions but here goes...What is your opinion on the overall 'quality' difference between Chinese pharmaceutical brand Hgh such as Ansomone by Ankebio, & Haiziyuan by Hygiene Biopharm compared to what some would call the 'better' generics such as Greytops, etc?
I have no opinion on brand specific G-GH except to say no G-GH maintains the quality of Pharma.
The rest is for you to decide using, in part, the assays MANDS and myself have already posted, in addition to your own testing.
The rest is for you to decide using, in part, the assays MANDS and myself have already posted, in addition to your own testing.
The reliance upon drugs as a supplemental means of achieving "happiness" is a fallacy bc such an approach only tends to mask the underlying cause of "sadness".
And what happens when the PEDs are discontinued, a greatly diminished emotional outlook exacerbated by the physiological effects AIH.
To that end probably one of the worse reasons to use PEDs, AAS in particular, is an effort to improve ones "psyche"!
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