Grey Tops PD IGF Bloodwork

[wsw16]

@Eman is correct larger bolus dosing will achieve higher igf-1 levels and will get to those higher levels faster than splitting doses especially 4 doses.

I really can't say if your @Marcus levels should be higher without having any other background of hgh use. I didn't see if you were running anything that might bring them down?

I personally think your dosing would be ideal for lipolysis. So it all depends on your goals.

@Marcus this is your first gh run that you've tested?

mands

This is per my experience as well. Larger bolus doses have given me higher numbers too and better results in terms of growth/gains as well. But water retention/sides were much more pronounced this way too

 

[Ripped]

Ya, I think I've seen this and that's what I've read. Thanks man

Batch number is 20160912

Same as mine I would like to know what there dosed at I still have about 60 iu there not as effective as what I'm currently on but thats just my opinion but my mind is made up. lol

 

[mands]

Yes sir, first run of GH. Did not know that about larger bolus dosing achieving higher igf numbers? What is the obsession with micro-dosing then? And everything about the body and it's ability to uptake 2-3iu at a time?

Good to know about my dose, I'll run the blacks at 10iu per day split 5iu am and 5iu pm and retest. 2 weeks or so on them long enough to retest igf mands?

Also, at the moment, I'm taking 250mg of test e, 150 of Deca, and 40mg of phentermine per day

I believe it's just a personal preference, there are benefits to both dosing protocols.

Yes, 2 weeks is fine for retesting.

Are you on a calorie deficit right now @Marcus? Are you cutting?

mands

 

[ChestRockwell]

A large bolus dose is more beneficial for growth.

Many small doses throughout the day is better for lypolisis

Very oversimplified and I might argue inaccurate.

Remember, larger bolus doses tend to create higher systemic IGF-1 levels. Chronically elevated IGF-1 levels tend to provide negative feedback towards autocrine IGF-1 levels, which are a critical player in the hypertrophy process.

My current stance is that one should figure out how to maximize autocrine IGF-1 levels while keeping endocrine IGF-1 levels as suppressed as possible to elicit maximum hypertrophy potential. And I don't feel large bolus doses are the way to do this...

 

[mands]

@Marcus mands will have a more accurate answer than me but after watching Matt Porters video about hgh he explains it as follows

A large bolus dose is more beneficial for growth.

Many small doses throughout the day is better for lypolisis

I don't totally agree with larger bolus dosing being more beneficial for growth. There are other factors involved. I believe @ChestRockwell and I have discussed this and I'm sure he will come over when he has time.

Edit: nevermind he just posted above.

mands

 

[Marcus]

I believe it's just a personal preference, there are benefits to both dosing protocols.

Yes, 2 weeks is fine for retesting.

Are you on a calorie deficit right now @Marcus? Are you cutting?

mands

I am cutting my man... 2000-2100 cals 4 days a week and 2400-2500 the other 3 days

Would this effect IGF levels?

 

[mands]

I am cutting my man... 2000-2100 cals 4 days a week and 2400-2500 the other 3 days

Would this effect IGF levels?

Yes...

I've seen lowering protein and calorie deficit diets decrease IGF-1 levels.

mands

 

[Dr JIM]

Running 10iu per day split 2.5iu 4 times per day.

6/2 stared at 5iu per day
6/13 bumped to 10iu per day

Normal pins day of bloodwork taken 6/23 after second pin of day.
Baseline (ish) IGF 192 (on underdosed MK, so probably a little under this)

IGF Results = 462

Little disappointed in these results, as even if I am a low responder, it seems like vials are underdosed more than previously though. This should be what I'm getting on 5-6iu per day from my understanding. First GH run, anyone with some experience... maybe you can tell me a little more?

Switching to blacks tomorrow, will treat vial as 15iu and run 10iu per day and pull bloods in a couple weeks again. View attachment 71926

In the absence of a legit Pharmac comparison it's difficult to KNOW if the GGH is "under dosed".

 

[pumpingiron22]

Thank you for testing

 

[Marcus]

More labwork ordered, bloods to be drawn Wednesday on black tops