Group home brew crowd funding project

[shamrockbear1]

[QUOTE moi="LadyM, post: 1087543, member: 67131"]
So you want to provide properly dosed gear for 5 people out of the goodness of your heart. Right. You need to stop pretendi like the Mother Teresa of juice because what it all boils down to is you're doing this for monetary gain. [/QUOTE]

Not mother Teresa at all far from it. Also yes its true I would like people to help split the cost, thats more than fair if you provide mass speced products.
And seriously how rich am I going to get making $10 profit after costs off of 5 guys. Wouldn't want to go spending that whopping $500 lottery money wow seriously... I've pissed $500 away on bad gear or a couple bottles at the club. Remeber I'm older more established and do OK withy money but doesnt mean I want to spend my salary on gear every years being reasonable that's all.

If you're sick of underdosed garbage then homebrew your own shit period. You are trying to find people that will ultimately fund your steroid habit.

Don't we all have a steroid habit just like you throwing stones are we or you just better than everyone?

You call other people cheap, pay for the mass spec yourself, buy enough raws for yourself and quit the b.s. sales pitch acting like you are giving a hand out instead of having your hands in other peoples pockets.

People are gullible because they would rather spend thousands of dollars on a "source" that turns scammer or burns them on underdosed or improperly dosed gear. It's not a hand out and its asking if a couple people wanted to emabark on this endevour.. Your arms my be short like alligator arms but mine reach my wallet all the time.
If you have a better source for raws please share!!! When you pay $160 for 100 grams test and you have to double the dose to get the proper concentration that costs money period.

The bottom line is if people are paying you for the gear you are brewing then you are a source and must abide by the scoc. It doesn't matter how you try to spin it, you are selling people the shit you are making; the very definition of a source.

I can abide by the scoc if necessary not much to share took a pic of my homebrew stuff. No I don't have an autoclave or hood especially homebrew for a few people.
I am more than happy to let someone else take over if they are going to do the same process mass spec products and home brew it properly OK let me know.!
Though I believe people are thinking I'm making out I am not. I could of joined eroids and had tons of customers if that was motive ... But not interested in sourcing just home brew for me and a few guys that's it.

Why is so hard to believe that some one wants decent gear and OK with sharing the same. Feels like combative high school whiners complaining about me.. Wow.[/QUOTE]

 

[shamrockbear1]

[QUOTE moi="LadyM, post: 1087543, member: 67131"]
So you want to provide properly dosed gear for 5 people out of the goodness of your heart. Right. You need to stop pretendi like the Mother Teresa of juice because what it all boils down to is you're doing this for monetary gain.

Not mother Teresa at all far from it. Also yes its true I would like people to help split the cost, thats more than fair if you provide mass speced products.
And seriously how rich am I going to get making $10 profit after costs off of 5 guys. Wouldn't want to go spending that whopping $500 lottery money wow seriously... I've pissed $500 away on bad gear or a couple bottles at the club. Remeber I'm older more established and do OK withy money but doesnt mean I want to spend my salary on gear every years being reasonable that's all.


Don't we all have a steroid habit just like you throwing stones are we or you just better than everyone?





People are gullible because they would rather spend thousands of dollars on a "source" that turns scammer or burns them on underdosed or improperly dosed gear. It's not a hand out and its asking if a couple people wanted to emabark on this endevour.. Your arms my be short like alligator arms but mine reach my wallet all the time.
If you have a better source for raws please share!!! When you pay $160 for 100 grams test and you have to double the dose to get the proper concentration that costs money period.



I can abide by the scoc if necessary not much to share took a pic of my homebrew stuff. No I don't have an autoclave or hood especially homebrew for a few people.
I am more than happy to let someone else take over if they are going to do the same process mass spec products and home brew it properly OK let me know.!
Though I believe people are thinking I'm making out I am not. I could of joined eroids and had tons of customers if that was motive ... But not interested in sourcing just home brew for me and a few guys that's it.

Why is so hard to believe that some one wants decent gear and OK with sharing the same. Feels like combative high school whiners complaining about me.. Wow.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
I know a lot of people were burned with stretch but my amount is small $306 is not that risky in this game.

A group buy in?? Yeah....that'll go over well here...

 

[shamrockbear1]

If you don't follow the SCoC how do you expect people to trust that you have the proper equipment and methods to produce this quality gear.

I have the basic equipment like most home brewer's pump filters crimper and bottling equipment I didnt see many others post much as of in the way of equipment

If you have 5 people that trust you why won't they go in on it with you. For some random people to blindly put faith into someone is crazy to ask.

We all blindly order from sources so I guess were all crazy or if someone posts there gtg they must be legit right ? Stretch, getm,htp,titan they were all gtg what happened?

Do you have someone that can vouch for your previous brewing ability? Do you have a hood or autoclave? What are you sterilization methods? I'm sure you mean well but people would be crazy if they don't know you and your ability to jump on this without more information.

Im small potatoes before this board even existed i owned a message board geared towards gear so I've been around since gherkes and Russian bodybuilder were sourcing and before the net blew up. I home brewing just like anyone else I'm clean provide the cleanest possible working space wear gloves and do the best I can to sterilize since I will use the gear you think I want infection or PIP... No

 

[mmmiron]

I have the basic equipment like most home brewer's pump filters crimper and bottling equipment I didnt see many others post much as of in the way of equipment



We all blindly order from sources so I guess were all crazy or if someone posts there gtg they must be legit right ? Stretch, getm,htp,titan they were all gtg what happened?



Im small potatoes before this board even existed i owned a message board geared towards gear so I've been around since gherkes and Russian bodybuilder were sourcing and before the net blew up. I home brewing just like anyone else I'm clean provide the cleanest possible working space wear gloves and do the best I can to sterilize since I will use the gear you think I want infection or PIP... No

I'm not knocking the idea at all. If I knew you I'd jump on in a heartbeat.

With sources on Meso at least they are put through the ringer so though we are crazy for giving them a shot at least they went through the effort before they flop. In the end anything can happen no matter how much they get questioned so you are correct there we shouldn't trust anyone. My thing is with the SCoC at least there is some type of standards. I understand you do not want to be a source but you are in a way comparing yourself to sources. I hope it works out and you get your 5 people. I know you've been around for a while so I'm sure you have trusted members. Again if I ha that rapport I'd jump on in private in a heart beat.

 

[shamrockbear1]

I can appreciate some standards and I'm just trying to share my prospective
And even with mass specs available there is a debate if Angus results are any good... So might even have to use a real lab to mass spec and and that costs some coin...
I think myth is working on something hopefully soon we can have a real lab...

 

[LadyM]

Do you hear what you are saying, you 'll try to make it as sterile as possible, I don't know about any one else but that is not something I would want to hear about the substance that I am injecting into my body, that you "did the best you could" to make it sterile. You either have the proper equipment to sterilize or you don't, and you don't.
What is your obsession with stretch, do you even realize how many times you have brought him up and tried to use that as a selling point? Not everyone on meso is gullible enough to order from these start up UGLs just because a few members got their orders and they've had positive feedback for a few months.
I'm not saying I dont have a steroid habit but I have no problem paying for it myself. I'm younger and do alright with money and I cycle year round because my job is strenuous but its still not that expensive for gear and I dont even brew it myself. It's not like having a $100 a day pill habit.
You are just trying to help defray the cost of the mass spec because you are too cheap to pay for that yourself. You're never going to make your bathtub brewed gear close to pharma grade and those that want pharma grade shit do what everyone else does and fork over the extra money and buy it from an international source.

 

[shamrockbear1]

OK just a quick reply to lady m I'm sure you personally know all these labs are sterile ... Really how? I don't want to source to hundreds just to 5 or less people so OK I'm the smallest best gear source...lol secondly just sent my raw sample which I'm paying for done by a 3 rd party university lab by research Professor Spectroscopy and Biophysics Core can any other source say that NO not even Angus myth have done that I am aware of. Secondly, I have no obsession with any member he was an example of how guys like Pericles and stretch fucked people so sorry I point out how people want to trust scumbags and thieves instead good labs.
A wise man said a fool and his money are soon parted ...

 

[LadyM]

Your absolutely right; you dont know what goes on behind the scenes of any UGL. You also don't know if there's actually 25g of whey protein in every scoop of Optimum but you put your faith in the company because you are paying for the brand name. But call me crazy, I'd rather put my faith in a company that has spent thousands of dollars on sterilization equipment over a person who's idea of sterilization is spending $1.50 on gloves from ace hardware. Relax, it's just an analogy.

 

[SeaVee]

Haven't read the whole thread but has this dipshit been able to sign their name to a conspiracy charge yet?

 

[greenddog1]

Shamrock, my advice would be to drop this endeavor now. From the beginning it was a bad idea,with piss poor planning and preparation. Find some local guys you know with similar interests and start your cartel there, not on Meso.
I understand you have good intentions, but as they say, the road to hell is filled with good intentions.

 

[shamrockbear1]

Well I think I'm all good. I'm just open about my motives and you shoot it down because I'm mass spec product that's gonna be spot on where's the bad idea? Everything anonymous I don't think LE is worried about a little pea like me home brewing for 5 guys .really have you seen eroids all the talk about is buying and selling gear..all guys talk about my pack has landed..really .lol they'll go down before I do which will be never..
I use high security measures proxies service ect....this aint my first rodeo..

 

[Big_paul]

Be honest with you, as far as the collective, I have thought about it. Getting some guys together in on raw. Doing ms and brewing and spliting up the goods. I'd do it on the down low and by invitation only though. You would save a lot.

 

[shamrockbear1]

So only have one spot open left after that closed ! Also lab received the sample keep everyone posted fingers crossed ..

 

[Big_paul]

Good luck fellas. When you think about it, this could solve a lot of problems as far as quality and you would be paying much less for fully dosed gear.
The only problem is you will have some skin in the game as far as you are now the ugl. For that reason I would enter into somethibg like this only after I took some time to get to know all the players.

 

[shamrockbear1]

Appreciate it big paul youbcan see my vision. Thanks

 

[big boi]

Imo at the end of the day we all have to make a choice does this idea bother me no. Will I participate? No. But that doesn't mean this five person circle jerk will end up bad. I always base my opinions around facts so until shamrock fucks up let him do his thing. But I still stand by my belief every brewer or source gets one shot u screw up we as a community should shut u down. None of this well he is trying to make things rt screw that kick em out. Just a rednecks opinion.

 

[BigShadow]

Thanks. I've been checking out the threads for some time now just as a spectator, but I figured it was time to have my voice heard. A board is only as good as the members contributing.

Well said

 

[vvegas]

I don't give a fuck how much of a vet or how long this dude has been around but anyone hard selling something this bad is a huge red flag .. I'm sure you'll call me a loser or I can't afford 300 bucks or whatever the fuck but every order iv made is over 3 bills.. you say your going to get stuff mass speced and released publicly after you filled your 5 spots why to rub it in people's faces you have a good product ? And not try to source ? K well when the mass spec comes back bad and everyone already invested I'm sure no one will get pissed and everything will end butterflies and rainbows .. good luck I hope you don't get into LE trouble let alone how bad this ends from a quality stand point / investor standpoint ..

 

[shamrockbear1]

I'm not rubbing it in anyone's faces I'm proving a point that we as community can take away the power of these sources to control or steal from us. I'm more than willing to direct anyone on how to do the same there is no secret... And im sure I'll be the smallest source ever with 5 people ... That's why its called group homebrew project and I'm not worried about LE,taking every security precaution all the sources use WU and anonymous payment, not rocket science ...

 

[vvegas]

Bro I respect how much your committed to this .. the LE thing is more so what happens if one of your 5 is a narc.. your making it pretty easy to infiltrate your operation .. I hope it all works out bro