HAMMER-ANABOLICS

[sin]

That is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Most ugl gear is shitty and so is hammers, so it's average? Foolish reasoning

What would be foolish would be to make a purchase from this reasoning. Saying most gear is shitty and thus if hammer's gear is shitty then it would be to the same standard as the most of the rest is pretty sound reasoning actually. But like I said, buying hammer's gear because everything is mostly shit would be a poor decision.

 

[BigJP]

What would be foolish would be to make a purchase from this reasoning. Saying most gear is shitty and thus if hammer's gear is shitty then it would be to the same standard as the most of the rest is pretty sound reasoning actually. But like I said, buying hammer's gear because everything is mostly shit would be a poor decision.

Ya thanks that's what I was getting at

 

[Matixx]

There is a blood test of hammers gear and its really low
http://www.anabolicsteroidforums.com/showthread.php/39020-Lab-Results

 

[jabo]

been reading through this thread the last few days and still trying to figure out what the general concensus is... is this guy worthy or no? Only a very few are getting anything from anything other than a UGL source. Test scripts aren't as easy as they used to be and if you are taking tren, it must be a UGL. Soooooo, as far as UGLs go, is this guy legit.

Actually, I have read through this forum for a while, and it seems like everyone is banging on the UGLs. So they are all bad? That means 99% of the gear out there is bad, so if this guy is simply selling crappy gear, he is at least meeting the standard.

lol what? You obviously don't know what your talking about, no Ugl gear will be correctly dosed like pharma but that Dosent mean people will just settle for whatever crap the Ugls put out for us. If a Ugl Dosent meet there customers needs or match the quality of other Ugls they will be called out on it.

 

[Kinikuman]

lol what? You obviously don't know what your talking about, no Ugl gear will be correctly dosed like pharma ...

This is not entirely true. There are a very select few that meet what is advertised on the vial like the Pharma companies, but they do exist. Finding them is the real issue.

Hammer is apparently not one of those select few.

 

[OdieM]

There is a blood test of hammers gear and its really low
http://www.anabolicsteroidforums.com/showthread.php/39020-Lab-Results

That member ran the Same dose as me and his were quite differnt. He ran 500 wk testC and his numbers were 1920. Not good. Either the member didn't know what he was doing with timing ( because I've heard a lot of EVO members say to wait 7 days to do bloods, which is stupid ) or Hammer Cyp went to shit after his first batch.

 

[MickECV]

Yummy!!

Tren Base, TNE , Dbol !

 

[Kinikuman]

That member ran the Same dose as me and his were quite differnt. He ran 500 wk testC and his numbers were 1920. Not good. Either the member didn't know what he was doing with timing ( because I've heard a lot of EVO members say to wait 7 days to do bloods, which is stupid ) or Hammer Cyp went to shit after his first batch.

No way! A lab like Hammer would never do that! Put out one good batch to lure them in, followed by vials filled with bio-diesel? Never!

This is a classic pattern.

 

[Kinikuman]

Yummy!!

Tren Base, TNE , Dbol !

What is "Insanity" is that it probably does not contain anything that it says on the label.

 

[dlastmohican]

So, let me get this right. You vets (I may be new to the board, but no where new to the game, almost 30 years in the field.. longer than some of you have been alive) are saying you get your tren, winny, dbol, EQ from a pharmacy? I say bullshit.... no... I know, BULLSHIT.

First, lets burst the myth of pharma grade. I worked in pharmaceuticals for a while and still in the medical field. Generic pharmaceuticals can, depending on the drug, can be within 50% of the labeled dosing and legal to sell at that dosing. Insulin and other life or death drugs would not fall into that category. Brand names have to be within 10%. Most of the test you are getting from a pharmacy, unless its androgel is going to be generic... often although there are exceptions.

Most ugls are going to be underdosed... this we can all agree on. I am not talking about that one or two that everyone seems to be so secretive about here (which makes me think they are hiding somewhere with the golden unicorns), but the same discrepancy can, and may go the other way too. Much of this depends on who is supplying the raw powder... disagree? Isnt most raw powder coming from China? I can, with 99.9% certainty say it isn't coming from a US pharma company... and if it is, it will not be for long.

The thing I am most concerned about is if I buy test from this guy... is he actually going to send me tren... or EQ. That poses a problem for my clients who have to be tested before competing.. as well as myself. It is this I am most concerned about. Do these elusive legit UGLs give such evidence? Does it matter? They are UGL, their evidence can be contrived. So.. come on guys.. show me your legit UGL and I can show you how they can manipulate their information.

 

[fastasf]

yeah i understand what you're saying, its only my second cycle. i thought it was water retention. but thanks for the input, just trying to figure things out so i don't look like an ass when I'm further down the road. i think I'm getting bloods around weeks in

If you keep giving labs the "g2g," then you are going to continue to look like an ass, especially with comments about feeling your 175mg a week after 1 week. New guys come on here and read posts like yours. They don't take the time to see that you've been here a few months, then they send their money to some clown like hammer and end up getting burned. Mark my words, this source WILL go bad and WILL leave people holding their dicks and out money. Mands and PMAC know what they're talking about. Listen.

 

[Kinikuman]

So, let me get this right. You vets (I may be new to the board, but no where new to the game, almost 30 years in the field.. longer than some of you have been alive) are saying you get your tren, winny, dbol, EQ from a pharmacy? I say bullshit.... no... I know, BULLSHIT.

First, lets burst the myth of pharma grade. I worked in pharmaceuticals for a while and still in the medical field. Generic pharmaceuticals can, depending on the drug, can be within 50% of the labeled dosing and legal to sell at that dosing. Insulin and other life or death drugs would not fall into that category. Brand names have to be within 10%. Most of the test you are getting from a pharmacy, unless its androgel is going to be generic... often although there are exceptions.

Most ugls are going to be underdosed... this we can all agree on. I am not talking about that one or two that everyone seems to be so secretive about here (which makes me think they are hiding somewhere with the golden unicorns), but the same discrepancy can, and may go the other way too. Much of this depends on who is supplying the raw powder... disagree? Isnt most raw powder coming from China? I can, with 99.9% certainty say it isn't coming from a US pharma company... and if it is, it will not be for long.

The thing I am most concerned about is if I buy test from this guy... is he actually going to send me tren... or EQ. That poses a problem for my clients who have to be tested before competing.. as well as myself. It is this I am most concerned about. Do these elusive legit UGLs give such evidence? Does it matter? They are UGL, their evidence can be contrived. So.. come on guys.. show me your legit UGL and I can show you how they can manipulate their information.

We've been around about the same amount of time and I gotta call BS on some of what you're saying:

From the FDA website -

Health professionals and consumers can be assured that FDA approved generic drugs have met the same rigid standards as the innovator drug. To gain FDA approval, a generic drug must:

• contain the same active ingredients as the innovator drug(inactive ingredients may vary)
• be identical in strength, dosage form, and route of administration
• have the same use indications
• be bioequivalent
• meet the same batch requirements for identity, strength, purity, and quality
• be manufactured under the same strict standards of FDA's good manufacturing practice regulations required for innovator products

FACT: FDA does not allow a 45 percent difference in the effectiveness of the generic drug product. - Understanding Generic Drugs

So I don't know what kind of Pharma grade "myth" you are attempting to dispel, but your arguments are lacking in factual basis. The arguments you present are the real myths.

Besides, if you are supplying your clients with gear, doesn't that make you a reseller? We call them sources here. And if you are even considering Hammer as your supplier then that speaks volumes to the community here regarding your real "experience" in the field.

No, we are not so easily fooled here on this board, good fellow.

 

[mands]

First, lets burst the myth of pharma grade. I worked in pharmaceuticals for a while and still in the medical field. Generic pharmaceuticals can, depending on the drug, can be within 50% of the labeled dosing and legal to sell at that dosing. Insulin and other life or death drugs would not fall into that category. Brand names have to be within 10%. Most of the test you are getting from a pharmacy, unless its androgel is going to be generic... often although there are exceptions.

I say bullshit. Please show me these claims from the FDA.

A generic does not have to contain the exact contents(fillers), but they certainly do have to contain the pharmaceutical equivalent. They also have to be similar in bio-availability.

mands

 

[dlastmohican]

Sorry, I was making this post and another at another thread and got my numbers a bit crossed. THis link is the best explanation I could provide, rather than the ambigious explanation all you budding young chemist who have worked for decades in the pharmaceutical biz, and are married to pharmacists have provided. The number is 20% or less. This is and can be significant.

You vets have still not explained how you are getting EQ or tren from you local pharmacy


http://www.livescience.com/38484-generic-drugs-brand-name-drugs.html

 

[mands]

Sorry, I was making this post and another at another thread and got my numbers a bit crossed. THis link is the best explanation I could provide, rather than the ambigious explanation all you budding young chemist who have worked for decades in the pharmaceutical biz, and are married to pharmacists have provided. The number is 20% or less. This is and can be significant.

You vets have still not explained how you are getting EQ or tren from you local pharmacy


http://www.livescience.com/38484-generic-drugs-brand-name-drugs.html

Who's getting Tren and EQ from a local pharmacy? Maybe in Mexico.

And from the site you posted:

Generic drugmakers are required to conduct tests to prove that the amount of active ingredient absorbed into the bloodstream from their copies is equivalent to the originals. The FDA said the average variance between the name brand and the generic is 3.5 percent, but about 50 medications vary by 10 percent or more.

mands

 

[Kinikuman]

Who's getting Tren and EQ from a local pharmacy? Maybe in Mexico.

And from the site you posted:

Generic drugmakers are required to conduct tests to prove that the amount of active ingredient absorbed into the bloodstream from their copies is equivalent to the originals. The FDA said the average variance between the name brand and the generic is 3.5 percent, but about 50 medications vary by 10 percent or more.

mands

Note that we are talking a about miniscule difference in the rate of absorption only. This is how broscience gets started and takes forever to get out of people's heads...

 

[Jimmyjuices]

Guys i am exactly 2 weeks in on Hammers replacement Tren. I am not going to give a full opinion until 3 full weeks because i feel that is a true honest time frame. I will say this i am having some very noticeable sides. Sweats at night pretty bad took the advice here and lay towels down on my bed. Agression pretty bad but learned to cope so its manageable and Tren cough not every time but frequent and can be bad harder to breathe. Strength has gone up decent nothing through the roof yet though.. oh also i am never bored because i have porn hub and my dick.. AKA really high sex drive. Def NOT saying G2G or i am pleased yet but this is a quick bit on where i am at now and i will give more fuller details of things next week.

 

[mands]

Guys i am exactly 2 weeks in on Hammers replacement Tren. I am not going to give a full opinion until 3 full weeks because i feel that is a true honest time frame. I will say this i am having some very noticeable sides. Sweats at night pretty bad took the advice here and lay towels down on my bed. Agression pretty bad but learned to cope so its manageable and Tren cough not every time but frequent and can be bad harder to breathe. Strength has gone up decent nothing through the roof yet though.. oh also i am never bored because i have porn hub and my dick.. AKA really high sex drive. Def NOT saying G2G or i am pleased yet but this is a quick bit on where i am at now and i will give more fuller details of things next week.

Oh JJ! I find this kinda funny... You say you aren't gonna give a full opinion and then write a pretty well thought out "full opinion"

Carry on!!!!

mands

 

[Jimmyjuices]

Oh JJ! I find this kinda funny... You say you aren't gonna give a full opinion and then write a pretty well thought out "full opinion"

Carry on!!!!

mands

hahaha i thought about this when i wrote that. i know its alittle thorough but what i meant is i will give a start to finish run down and their are 2 key things i didn't talk about which are pretty important and my worry was if i talked about them now it might hurt the final review. i will give an even more full opinion in a week lol

 

[mghoward74]

Who's getting Tren and EQ from a local pharmacy? Maybe in Mexico.

I'm glad I live where I live...