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Harm reduction in the Steroid Underground subforum - this is NOT a source forum

Liska said:
If you can't find any incidence of what I asked for (and you accused me of) in the post you quoted, just leave it be please. Other sources, no matter what their opinion may be, are not engaging in this discussion with you (which is akin to biting the hand that feeds them) because that's obviously bad for business, and there's far too much money on the line here for any source here to risk picking a fight with you. Just wanted to make that clear for you in case you don't understand very well (which you do of course, since you can't convince me you're that dense).

I've never intended to break any rule and since customers are still allowed to post these pictures via their own accounts, it doesn't even change the content of my thread at all. Hope we can be done here finally.
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Sources don't get to decide the rules that I post. You can live with the existing rules.

So, you're the only source brave enough to "bite the hand that feeds" by engaging in this discussion? Is it really bad for your business? Are you sacrificing so much lost revenue for the sake of other sources who are confused and don't understand the rules? How honorable. Or is it as you always say about other sources bumping the thread/discussion: all publicity is good publicity?

I hope we can be done here too. It's up to you.
 
Millard said:
Sources don't get to decide the rules that I post. You can live with the existing rules.

So, you're the only source brave enough to "bite the hand that feeds" by engaging in this discussion? Is it really bad for your business? Are you sacrificing so much lost revenue for the sake of other sources who are confused and don't understand the rules? How honorable. Or is it as you always say about other sources bumping the thread/discussion: all publicity is good publicity?

I hope we can be done here too. It's up to you.
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That's a quote by a Meso source that has repeatedly scammed and lied to members to great continued financial success without repercussions to this day as that's not against the rules.

You know that other sources aren't confused about the rules - because they didn't even find and read them. How many promo banners were posted weeks and over a month later by sources after your rules update in this thread - 50? 100? It still hasn't stopped not because your rules aren't being respected, it's because you're sort of hiding them instead of putting them in a sticky, or sending a mass PM to all sources whenever you do change the rules.
 
Liska said:
That's a quote by a Meso source that has repeatedly scammed and lied to members to great continued financial success without repercussions to this day as that's not against the rules.

You know that other sources aren't confused about the rules - because they didn't even find and read them. How many promo banners were posted weeks and over a month later by sources after your rules update in this thread - 50? 100? It still hasn't stopped not because your rules aren't being respected, it's because you're sort of hiding them instead of putting them in a sticky, or sending a mass PM to all sources whenever you do change the rules.
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Trust me. Sources respect and follow the rules. There are consequences if they knowingly and repeatedly violate them.

Your concern for all of your competitors is touching. I'm sure they appreciate that you take time to advocate for them in between the time you spend reporting them and trying to get them banned.
 
Millard said:
Trust me. Sources respect and follow the rules. There are consequences if they knowingly and repeatedly violate them.

Your concern for all of your competitors is touching. I'm sure they appreciate that you take time to advocate for them in between the time you spend reporting them and trying to get them banned.
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You're being genuinely misleading now by trying to imply that (me) reporting someone for breaking a rule equals wanting them to get banned. It's you who asked us to report rather than respond to any offenses. As I said: Sources don't disrespect the rules knowingly, they do so unknowingly because they can't find them. If you believe otherwise, please link to where you originally posted the rule that auctions are not allowed on Meso. Don't spin this in a weird way again, just link to that please.
 
Liska said:
You're being genuinely misleading now by trying to imply that (me) reporting someone for breaking a rule equals wanting them to get banned. It's you who asked us to report rather than respond to any offenses. As I said: Sources don't disrespect the rules knowingly, they do so unknowingly because they can't find them. If you believe otherwise, please link to where you originally posted the rule that auctions are not allowed on Meso. Don't spin this in a weird way again, just link to that please.
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This is not exactly true i.e. "report rather than respond to any offense". I encourage everyone to respond to misbehavior should they choose (as well as report). The only exception is when it comes to feeding the trolls. Responding to obvious trolls is counterproductive.

And for the record, I am grateful for all the reports and that includes yours.

And yes, some sources may unknowingly do something that is not permitted (e.g. posting active hyperlinks, auctions, etc.). But once they are told not to do this, most comply. However, you may be surprised that every once in a while a select few apparently think they can get away with it and knowingly keep doing it.
 
Sly Devil said:
If so I could show and expose all your previous accounts and let everyone see the real you? It took you quite a few handles to get to where you are now.
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This has been brought to my attention /\
I'm not sure what this is about. Just note that, under no circumstances, should you post any information that could potentially leak personally-identifiable information
 
Millard said:
This is not exactly true i.e. "report rather than respond to any offense". I encourage everyone to respond to misbehavior should they choose (as well as report). The only exception is when it comes to feeding the trolls. Responding to obvious trolls is counterproductive.

And for the record, I am grateful for all the reports and that includes yours.

And yes, some sources may unknowingly do something that is not permitted (e.g. posting active hyperlinks, auctions, etc.). But once they are told not to do this, most comply. However, you may be surprised that every once in a while a select few apparently think they can get away with it and knowingly keep doing it.
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Ever since the change in rules, Pharmacom has been posting a pic of domestic tracking numbers blacked out trying to promote sales and bury any bad reviews. Who have had plenty of bad reviews recently.

I don't know if what they're doing now is allowed but I told then I didn't think they should. To me, it's the same thing as what they used to do.
 
Millard said:
This has been brought to my attention /\
I'm not sure what this is about. Just note that, under no circumstances, should you post any information that could potentially leak personally-identifiable information
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From where I'm sitting this looks like a thinly veiled threat to dox.

Regardless of how you feel about certain sources and users it's still important that we do our part in protecting each other's identities. This culture of leaking personal information needs to be stamped out like cancer if this community is to continue to thrive.

Law enforcement will never be your friend. They will never be an ally in regards to harm reduction. It does none of us any good.
 
dasistmane said:
From where I'm sitting this looks like a thinly veiled threat to dox.

Regardless of how you feel about certain sources and users it's still important that we do our part in protecting each other's identities. This culture of leaking personal information needs to be stamped out like cancer if this community is to continue to thrive.

Law enforcement will never be your friend. They will never be an ally in regards to harm reduction. It does none of us any good.
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It's far more anticlimactic and nothing Millard hasn't already known for years, no worries.
 
ハカク said:
my response to what i said on page fifteen. lol.
View: https://youtu.be/zxRYF2s-wLc
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Batman Facepalm GIF by WE tv
 
Millard said:
But unlike other forums, MESO admins do not pick and choose who is allowed to participate and who is not allowed to participate. Nor do MESO mods decide. Nor does a small group of members decide either.
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Isn't this dangerous?

If there is no tight top-down control, literally anyone can do literally whatever they want.

If there is no regulation and approval that can be gained by a source only when the source shows it deserves, that mean anyone can come here and sell anything.

For example, someone can sell vials with oil and no active substance. When the person gets banned, he will just create another account and do the same scheme, assuming entry for sources is free for all and there are no admins requiring a source to meet certain requirements before it can be considered an approved sources. The hypothetical scheme with the vials with oil only can happen over and over again, and the number of bans doesn't matter, if there is no system for approving sources and preventing non-approved sources from joining the forum.
Millard said:
The sources you see on MESO represent a cross-section of what an AAS user might find on the Internet. The presence of a source on the forum has NEVER represented an acceptance, approval, or endorsement of any kind of a source's products and/or business practices.
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Does that mean any random source can come here and sell fake products?

Because if approval is not given only when a source shows it deserves approval, that mean that, by default, anyone is allowed to sell literally whatever they want on this forum.

I'm new to AAS and I have always preferred a strong regulatory control. Testing source's products, observing how the source behaves and banning the source when something is wrong, such as a test that shows fake products (e.g. under dosed products), is the correct thing.

As I said, I new to AAS and don't know how to know if a source is legit. You know... any source can pay people to write positive reviews, misleading all thread visitors, if there are no admins to ban sources based on gear test results.

In the Steroids Underground forum, isn't a source labeled as SPONSOR actually proven to be legit? Because I got the impression that the label "SPONSOR" means the source is personally approved by the people behind MESO-RX. It appears I misunderstood it.

I though sources labeled as sponsors are definitively proven to be legit and to not engage in selective scams, such as selling legit gear to rich and veteran users, and selling under dosed gear to newbie users.

I'm not saying MESO-RX sources engage in scams, but judging by what you said, no one is testing and controlling these sources.
 
G0ld said:
Isn't this dangerous?

If there is no tight top-down control, literally anyone can do literally whatever they want.

If there is no regulation and approval that can be gained by a source only when the source shows it deserves, that mean anyone can come here and sell anything.

For example, someone can sell vials with oil and no active substance. When the person gets banned, he will just create another account and do the same scheme, assuming entry for sources is free for all and there are no admins requiring a source to meet certain requirements before it can be considered an approved sources. The hypothetical scheme with the vials with oil only can happen over and over again, and the number of bans doesn't matter, if there is no system for approving sources and preventing non-approved sources from joining the forum.

Does that mean any random source can come here and sell fake products?

Because if approval is not given only when a source shows it deserves approval, that mean that, by default, anyone is allowed to sell literally whatever they want on this forum.

I'm new to AAS and I have always preferred a strong regulatory control. Testing source's products, observing how the source behaves and banning the source when something is wrong, such as a test that shows fake products (e.g. under dosed products), is the correct thing.

As I said, I new to AAS and don't know how to know if a source is legit. You know... any source can pay people to write positive reviews, misleading all thread visitors, if there are no admins to ban sources based on gear test results.

In the Steroids Underground forum, isn't a source labeled as SPONSOR actually proven to be legit? Because I got the impression that the label "SPONSOR" means the source is personally approved by the people behind MESO-RX. It appears I misunderstood it.

I though sources labeled as sponsors are definitively proven to be legit and to not engage in selective scams, such as selling legit gear to rich and veteran users, and selling under dosed gear to newbie users.

I'm not saying MESO-RX sources engage in scams, but judging by what you said, no one is testing and controlling these sources.
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You don't even read the forum announcements heh?

MESO-Rx Administrator said:
Furthermore, all vendors must first submit independent lab testing reports for product(s) they offer in the furtherance of harm reduction prior to posting in the Steroid Underground subforum. This is now a mandatory requirement before posting in the Steroid Underground subforum.
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Forum Etiquette - ⚡Vendors read this - restricted forum access ⚡

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY: New Members must decide if their primary reason for joining MESO-Rx is: (1) to help promote harm reduction and steroid education for the community OR; (2) to profit commercially from the community. If your intent involves the latter (at any point for any period of time...
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G0ld said:
Isn't this dangerous?

If there is no tight top-down control, literally anyone can do literally whatever they want.

If there is no regulation and approval that can be gained by a source only when the source shows it deserves, that mean anyone can come here and sell anything.

For example, someone can sell vials with oil and no active substance. When the person gets banned, he will just create another account and do the same scheme, assuming entry for sources is free for all and there are no admins requiring a source to meet certain requirements before it can be considered an approved sources. The hypothetical scheme with the vials with oil only can happen over and over again, and the number of bans doesn't matter, if there is no system for approving sources and preventing non-approved sources from joining the forum.

Does that mean any random source can come here and sell fake products?

Because if approval is not given only when a source shows it deserves approval, that mean that, by default, anyone is allowed to sell literally whatever they want on this forum.

I'm new to AAS and I have always preferred a strong regulatory control. Testing source's products, observing how the source behaves and banning the source when something is wrong, such as a test that shows fake products (e.g. under dosed products), is the correct thing.

As I said, I new to AAS and don't know how to know if a source is legit. You know... any source can pay people to write positive reviews, misleading all thread visitors, if there are no admins to ban sources based on gear test results.

In the Steroids Underground forum, isn't a source labeled as SPONSOR actually proven to be legit? Because I got the impression that the label "SPONSOR" means the source is personally approved by the people behind MESO-RX. It appears I misunderstood it.

I though sources labeled as sponsors are definitively proven to be legit and to not engage in selective scams, such as selling legit gear to rich and veteran users, and selling under dosed gear to newbie users.

I'm not saying MESO-RX sources engage in scams, but judging by what you said, no one is testing and controlling these sources.
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I suggested you improve your reading discipline. I see you did not listen.
 
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