Harm reduction in the Steroid Underground subforum - this is NOT a source forum

[mr.redpill]

I don't think we're gonna agree on this one but I'll explain my position to you in regards to recreational drugs harm reduction.

I don't think anyone deserves to be punished for using any sort of drugs. Whether that be heroin and meth or cannabis and poppers or in our cases steroids.

I don't think it is morally wrong for anyone to use drugs as we are all free agents and rights bearers, regardless of the laws in place. It's our choice what we do with our bodies and the fairest option for anyone is to allow individuals to do this as safely as possible.

Laws have done absolutely nothing during the 'war on drugs'. It's a joke.

I'm sober now 6 years but I can tell you during my experimental period as a teenager and early 20s I would have used the MDMA powder and pils I purchased whether they were tested or not. Same as the benzos I would sometimes use for the comedown. However, resources such as pill reports helped me swerve possible issues with contaminated and highly overdosed pills. And I would definitely have availed of services such as wedinos to test the black market benzos I was using if they were available at the time.

While I can respect your opinion- a libertarian approach to drug use is not one I can altogether agree with. I'm now 6 years clean from heroin and have cheated death numerous times- so the task of adopting a similar perspective would be of the utmost difficultly for me.

Though we find common ground in that pill reports and other testing would reduce harm to some- it would also certainly entice others to use drugs *who would not have otherwise* w/o confirmation of efficacy/safety.

I think you misunderstood my point.

-A 17 year old high school kid finds PPL's website or another source via MESO or another AAS forum.
-Discovers that they sell xanax/other illicit drugs.
-Although he's young and naive...let's say he's not your typical impulsive teenager...so maybe he refrains from purchasing due to his skepticism.
-*Until* he has it tested OR someone on MESO eludes to fact that PPL's Xanax is "G2G"(retard face)because they tested it themself.
-Little Ricky gets 2-week shipping from china on a bundle of discount Xanax
-Little Ricky brings Xanax to school and shares with his friends.

Now you've created 5 drugs addicts all because some catlady thought it'd be a good idea to have public resources that enable anyone to validate the authenticity of narcotics sold online.

I see it as an altogether loss.

 

[dasistmane]

While I can respect your opinion- a libertarian approach to drug use is not one I can altogether agree with. I'm now 6 years clean from heroin and have cheated death numerous times- so the task of adopting a similar perspective would be of the utmost difficultly for me.

Though we find common ground in that pill reports and other testing would reduce harm to some- it would also certainly entice others to use drugs *who would not have otherwise* w/o confirmation of efficacy/safety.

I think you misunderstood my point.

-A 17 year old high school kid finds PPL's website or another source via MESO or another AAS forum.
-Discovers that they sell xanax/other illicit drugs.
-Although he's young and naive...let's say he's not your typical impulsive teenager...so maybe he refrains from purchasing due to his skepticism.
-*Until* he has it tested OR someone on MESO eludes to fact that PPL's Xanax is "G2G"(retard face)because they tested it themself.
-Little Ricky gets 2-week shipping from china on a bundle of discount Xanax
-Little Ricky brings Xanax to school and shares with his friends.

Now you've created 5 drugs addicts all because some catlady thought it'd be a good idea to have public resources that enable anyone to validate the authenticity of narcotics sold online.

I see it as an altogether loss.

Little Ricky and his friends would have gotten a hold of benzos regardless.

Allowing them to use the drugs safely was the kindest option. And using benzos once doesn't mean you're instantly addicted, unless you have some sort of psychological disposition.

 

[Liska]

Now you've created 5 drugs addicts all because some catlady thought it'd be a good idea to have public resources that enable anyone to validate the authenticity of narcotics sold online.

Yes, I founded all of the various laboratories around the globe offering this testing service for harm prevention, and funded all the harm prevention organizations that support them. This isn't supported globally by thousands of people far smarter and educated on this subject matter than you, it all rests on the shoulders of a single cat on the internet.

 

[mr.redpill]

Yes, I founded all of the various laboratories around the globe offering this testing service for harm prevention, and funded all the harm prevention organizations that support them. This isn't supported globally by thousands of people far smarter and educated on this subject matter than you, it all rests on the shoulders of a single cat on the internet.

Could you say that one more time

Just like how you said it before

But a little louder

 

[Deleted member 127229]

Little Ricky and his friends would have gotten a hold of benzos regardless.

Allowing them to use the drugs safely was the kindest option. And using benzos once doesn't mean you're instantly addicted, unless you have some sort of psychological disposition.

That’s incorrect. If something is not available to you you cannot posses it. I didn’t smoke weed until I was 22yo, Why? Because where I grew up it wasn’t around. If I had hopped online and saw it on my favorite website, of course I would have bought it.


By your logic you should just walk down the street giving out Xanax because those people “would have found it anyway”

 

[Liska]

Could you say that one more time

Just like how you said it before

But a little louder

I can't! Bluepilled by mr.redpill once again, I've nothing left but this updoot to give to you:

 

[Sampei]

That’s incorrect. If something is not available to you you cannot posses it. I didn’t smoke weed until I was 22yo, Why? Because where I grew up it wasn’t around. If I had hopped online and saw it on my favorite website, of course I would have bought it.


By your logic you should just walk down the street giving out Xanax because those people “would have found it anyway”

We don't live in those ages anymore, drugs are available anywhere nowadays.
Directly delivered at home from the darknet to stupid telegram group or Facebook pages where they just knock at your door and deliver you whatever it's needed.

The war on drugs in anyway it's pointless and stupid, harm reduction is paramount and so giving ppl the ability to test their drugs it's a priority. @mr.redpill example of his friend deciding not to try heroin coke because of fentanyl it's...Well a nitpick example that doesn't make any fucking sense.

I don't do heroine or coke but I can easily buy 95+% pure heroin or coke without a sweat and I don't even have any major connection or anything.

 

[dasistmane]

By your logic you should just walk down the street giving out Xanax because those people “would have found it anyway”

If you have to create a strawman as fragile and poorly built as this, there's no point in discussing this with you.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

That’s incorrect. If something is not available to you you cannot posses it. I didn’t smoke weed until I was 22yo, Why? Because where I grew up it wasn’t around. If I had hopped online and saw it on my favorite website, of course I would have bought it.


By your logic you should just walk down the street giving out Xanax because those people “would have found it anyway”

Where you grew up, weed was around. It was growing in the fields you played in as a kid. You just didn't know what it was.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

While I can respect your opinion- a libertarian approach to drug use is not one I can altogether agree with. I'm now 6 years clean from heroin and have cheated death numerous times- so the task of adopting a similar perspective would be of the utmost difficultly for me.

Though we find common ground in that pill reports and other testing would reduce harm to some- it would also certainly entice others to use drugs *who would not have otherwise* w/o confirmation of efficacy/safety.

I think you misunderstood my point.

-A 17 year old high school kid finds PPL's website or another source via MESO or another AAS forum.
-Discovers that they sell xanax/other illicit drugs.
-Although he's young and naive...let's say he's not your typical impulsive teenager...so maybe he refrains from purchasing due to his skepticism.
-*Until* he has it tested OR someone on MESO eludes to fact that PPL's Xanax is "G2G"(retard face)because they tested it themself.
-Little Ricky gets 2-week shipping from china on a bundle of discount Xanax
-Little Ricky brings Xanax to school and shares with his friends.

Now you've created 5 drugs addicts all because some catlady thought it'd be a good idea to have public resources that enable anyone to validate the authenticity of narcotics sold online.

I see it as an altogether loss.

Don't you think 6 years ago the government was fully engaged in the war on heroin? Why were you still able to get it?

And secondly, do you think your punishment for being addicted to a drug like heroin was to be thrown in a cage with murderers and rapists? Why?

 

[Deleted member 127229]

We don't live in those ages anymore, drugs are available anywhere nowadays.
Directly delivered at home from the darknet to stupid telegram group or Facebook pages where they just knock at your door and deliver you whatever it's needed.

The war on drugs in anyway it's pointless and stupid, harm reduction is paramount and so giving ppl the ability to test their drugs it's a priority. @mr.redpill example of his friend deciding not to try heroin coke because of fentanyl it's...Well a nitpick example that doesn't make any fucking sense.

I don't do heroine or coke but I can easily buy 95+% pure heroin or coke without a sweat and I don't even have any major connection or anything.

Ok well this is a steroid forum not a Xanax forum so take that shit somewhere else

 

[dasistmane]

Ok well this is a steroid forum not a Xanax forum so take that shit somewhere else

Or you could just leave this thread and let the adults talk.

 

[dasistmane]

Of course the lab who does fisher price 'testing' on their products is liking the posts against harm reduction.

 

[PrimoBowling]

Ok well this is a steroid forum not a Xanax forum so take that shit somewhere else

That's all that needs to be said

 

[Millard]

You consider pictures that show just the tail of a cat or a pair of cat socks worn by a human as promotional material. Please show me where I called out any other lab for posting a picture that has no brand logo, gear or even text on it. No other source posts anything like that at all, but you're pretending that I'm trying to get away with 'similar violations' or wanting 'special treatment' when there is nothing at all to compare this situation to, which is exactly why I asked you what falls within the rules and what does not because you are continually failing to display and formulate the rules in a way that the community as well as the sources can be aware of them, yet act so offended when someone inquires about them.

The rules sticky is gone and you have traditionally posted further rules in random posts strewn throughout the board, which has resulted in noone but you knowing them - a striking example of this is that 'auctions have always been forbidden' rule which I assure you noone else but you was aware of as auctions have been happening in various threads for a long time without being reported ever judging by all of them being completed successfully.

We wouldn't need to have this discussion nor many other discussions if you could finally please make a sticky thread that clearly details the rules of Meso. I am absolutely confident not a single person besides you knows or understands the rules due to them being practically hidden like easter eggs. If there's anything you can take away from this discussion, I hope it's that.

I can't take you seriously anymore. It's not that complicated. And no matter how hard you try, you can't convince me you are that dense.

Up until recently, you were one of the very few sources, who to the best of my knowledge, never violated any rule, Furthermore, you excelled at identifying and reporting practically every violation by most of your competitors.

You understand the rules better that practically anyone else on the forum.

And you most certainly can't convince me that all of your competitors got together and nominated you to be their spokesperson to complain about how difficult it is for them to understand and follow the rules.

As far as the one rule that you violated is concerned. I think you are the only source that is confused (or pretends to be confused). Everyone else seems to be crystal clear once I provide the same explanation to them:

--> In-thread promotional banners and marketing graphics are NOT permitted in the "Steroid Underground" subforum. (Examples include JPG, JPEG, PNG, GIF, WEBP, TIFF, and BMP file extensions. Note that this list is not inclusive.)

--> In-thread contests are NOT permitted in the "Steroid Underground" subforum.

If in doubt, avoid the use of all graphics and images.

The only explicit exceptions involve the posting of:

--> screen shots or scans of product lab testing reports

--> original products photos within reason

 

[Millard]

I inquired about the extent of this rule. If you think this rule is obvious, I'll invite you to a game of "which of these images are promo material?" as I'm confident you wouldn't get through that without some wrong takes.

I'm not going to waste any more time explaining this rule to you. You can just follow the bolded guidance below (as can any other source who just doesn't get it):

--> In-thread promotional banners and marketing graphics are NOT permitted in the "Steroid Underground" subforum. (Examples include JPG, JPEG, PNG, GIF, WEBP, TIFF, and BMP file extensions. Note that this list is not inclusive.)

--> In-thread contests are NOT permitted in the "Steroid Underground" subforum.

If in doubt, avoid the use of all graphics and images.

The only explicit exceptions involve the posting of:

--> screen shots or scans of product lab testing reports

--> original products photos within reason

 

[Millard]

We wouldn't need to have this discussion nor many other discussions if you could finally please make a sticky thread that clearly details the rules of Meso. I am absolutely confident not a single person besides you knows or understands the rules due to them being practically hidden like easter eggs. If there's anything you can take away from this discussion, I hope it's that.

You've convinced me to stick with the boilerplate TOS. Your characterization seems to suggest that sources are so confused about what is allowed and not allowed that they are terrified to post anything that may be considered spam or spam-like.

I love it!

But don't forget that any moderation action will be applied consistently to all sources. In case you don't understand this very well, I will make it clear for you: YOU DO NOT RECEIVE ANY SPECIAL TREATMENT OVER ANY OTHER SOURCE.

 

[Millard]

i’ll say whatever tf i want, that’s why i joined this board eight years ago, and the reason why i joined,

Members have a lot of freedom and leeway when it comes to discussions but some speech is not allowed. For example:

Wishing, hoping, threatening, promoting or calling for violence, including threats of sexual violence and self-harm.

 

[Millard]

Ok well this is a steroid forum not a Xanax forum so take that shit somewhere else

Or you could just leave this thread and let the adults talk.

I'm pro-drug to the extent I support body sovereignty. So any restrictions on discussion involving recreational drugs do not reflect any moral judgment. It's based solely on the fact that this is an AAS (sub)forum with a focus on AAS harm reduction.

Having said that, the same harm reduction principles apply to all drugs. And to understand how harm reduction can be helpful for AAS users, we must look at the extensive body of research and real-world experiences involving harm reduction for recreational drugs.

Real-world AAS harm reduction, in science and practice, is slowly catching up to that of other drugs. But there is still much to go.

 

[Liska]

I can't take you seriously anymore. It's not that complicated. And no matter how hard you try, you can't convince me you are that dense.

If you can't find any incidence of what I asked for (and you accused me of) in the post you quoted, just leave it be please. Other sources, no matter what their opinion may be, are not engaging in this discussion with you (which is akin to biting the hand that feeds them) because that's obviously bad for business, and there's far too much money on the line here for any source here to risk picking a fight with you. Just wanted to make that clear for you in case you don't understand very well (which you do of course, since you can't convince me you're that dense).

I've never intended to break any rule and since customers are still allowed to post these pictures via their own accounts, it doesn't even change the content of my thread at all. Hope we can be done here finally.