Oh jeeze please don't encourage these people.
To you anti-DNP people, you're entitled to your opinion. We get it. We have heard it over and over. Can you at least issue your warnings in your own thread?
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Oh jeeze please don't encourage these people.
To you anti-DNP people, you're entitled to your opinion. We get it. We have heard it over and over. Can you at least issue your warnings in your own thread?
Eman
Master
I was kind of just shooting fish in a barrel with that question... Or letting the first shoot himself lol.
I get it though. I used to be much more closed minded than I am today regarding DNP use. As a matter of fact, when you really dig into the research it becomes more and more fascinating.
spiffy0
New Member
because if youre gonna destroy your body you might as well get high too lol. just exaggerating tbh but my point is dont do DNP
Eman
Master
Why do you think you're going to destroy your body?
I realize you're exaggerating and inserting humor into your statement to get your point across. The problem is, most of your statements are based on what other people who've never taken DNP are saying... And those people heard things from OTHER people that probably never took DNP.
If you want to condemn it's use, let's have a discussion on real hazards of taking it... Like understanding it's half life, peripheral neuropathy, hyperthermia, etc. But if you're condemning it based off of it being useful as a pesticide or even an explosive, your pursuit of condemnation is kind of misguided.
spiffy0
New Member
From the research I've done on it, it seems like there's no way to guarantee against the fact it might just flat out kill you. Yea, it burns fat like nothing else but you can burn fat in a way that doesn't have a chance to kill you too. If you've got some studies that can teach me something about how to use it safely I'd love to read them because if I could use it safely I wouldn't hesitate to try it on a cutting cycle. I just don't want to take a drug that if I spend too long out in the sun I'll have a heat stroke and die
Eman
Master
I'm trying to compile some studies and other info from a few members into one spreadsheet or other format. A private board I'm on did something similar that was pretty well done but I think I can make it more user friendly. It's time consuming and I feel I'm likely to just see lot of "fuck DNP it'll kill you" or "dnp is poison and for the lazy" if I make the file publicly available. I'll send you some info though if you're interested or you can PM me with specific questions. I do highly encourage you to look for Conciliators posts regarding DNP. Probably easier to Google his name followed by the word DNP. Doc is hangin around this thread and is very knowledgeable about it as well, but he requires nude pics to be sent if you want his help.
With all that said, I still don't try to encourage anyone to take it... I just like to separate fact from fiction. It does carry risks and it's not inherently safe but I can just about promise you that if you dig deeper you will look at it in a new light. So, even if you decide it's still not worth it to you, you'll still have taken something away from it.
musclemedicine
Member
I am condemning its use due to the dozens of documented fatalities tied to DNP (published case studies all over ncbi). Someone mentioned a “variation” of DNP having a potential therapeutic niche in medicine. While this may be true it still holds little merit, this thread is about crystallized DNP which would be a very pure sample. It doesn’t matter how similar compounds are, the smallest variation of the two can give one a therapeutic use while rendering the other toxic. Take thalidomide for example, it’s a chiral molecule where the R-enantiomer provides relief from morning sickness and the S-enantiomer causes severe birth defects (missing limbs). These two compounds share the exact same bonding and connectivity, they only differ in the three-dimensional arrangement of substituents around a single chiral center (Mass Spec would show them as identical). So instead of looking at how variations of DNP can be beneficial to certain medical conditions. We should pay attention to the 60+ years of evidence highlighting the fact that it can kill you. I am not saying it will always kill you, just that the potential for very serious harm is there. If you or anyone else are still okay with ingesting DNP to give your weight loss an edge go for it! Different folks’ different strokes my priorities are elsewhere.
Eman
Master
This taking the publications out of context though. A significant amount of the reported deaths were from factory workers being exposed to DNP for long periods of time.
I do understand your point though, and it's completely valid. But to be honest, out of all the people that have used it we're talking about a few dozen deaths... That's actually statistically quite small. Especially considering that we have documentation of several suicides being involved (yikes), and a lot of cases of extreme negligence or preexisting medical issues combined with DNP use.
These spreadsheets document some of the data of the negligent dosages I'm referring to, but also a few that are not and likely have further explanation in the details:
As far as your point about the variation of DNP, I'm not sure I understand the logic of the argument but I guess I understand your point. Similar drugs do different things, but I think that's what Doc was trying to express in the first place. I've only read a little bit about this so I can't really comment, but I do know that they've been trying to create variations of DNP for a very long time.
Actually this thread was not about crystal DNP in general but about a specific vendor operating a web site called BuyCrystalDnp.com.
That aside, there are threads all over this site and others with posts warning people about the dangers of DNP. When these posts contain specific, documented information they are certainly useful and helpful. What is neither is a post that basically says "Bro, DNP will KILL you! It's just for lazy, undisciplined people... Blah blah blah"
But since we already have the thread drift...
Yes use of DNP caries risk and it's critical to understand this risk. What bothers me most, however, is that the greatest risk is that it is very difficult to evaluate the risk. Look at the spreadsheet excerpt @Eman posted. Dosage? One row says 2.5g. All at once? Over a year? There is just too little info. Much of it goes back to the 1930's, when DNS was legal, abused and record keeping was poor.
Also, there is no information about how many people are currently using DNP. Is 22 deaths a mortality rate of 1.0% or is it 0.0001%? Did those who died have other risk factors? And forget the suicides (what a horrible way to do that too).
From what I have gathered all the risks of DNP, except one (other than the trouble truly evaluating the risk), can be mitigated. It's a lot of work to mitigate the risks, but this all requires some discipline. The one risk I think can't be mitigated is PN. That seems to either hit people or not. When it does, apparently there is no warning and some people feel the rate is as high as 15% of DNP users.
I want to be clear that I am not advocating anyone use DNP, or any other substance, legal or otherwise. I am not and do not claim to be a doctor. I am not here to defend or champion DNP use. But on a board like this, useful data and informed opinions are welcome.
That aside, there are threads all over this site and others with posts warning people about the dangers of DNP. When these posts contain specific, documented information they are certainly useful and helpful. What is neither is a post that basically says "Bro, DNP will KILL you! It's just for lazy, undisciplined people... Blah blah blah"
But since we already have the thread drift...
Yes use of DNP caries risk and it's critical to understand this risk. What bothers me most, however, is that the greatest risk is that it is very difficult to evaluate the risk. Look at the spreadsheet excerpt @Eman posted. Dosage? One row says 2.5g. All at once? Over a year? There is just too little info. Much of it goes back to the 1930's, when DNS was legal, abused and record keeping was poor.
Also, there is no information about how many people are currently using DNP. Is 22 deaths a mortality rate of 1.0% or is it 0.0001%? Did those who died have other risk factors? And forget the suicides (what a horrible way to do that too).
From what I have gathered all the risks of DNP, except one (other than the trouble truly evaluating the risk), can be mitigated. It's a lot of work to mitigate the risks, but this all requires some discipline. The one risk I think can't be mitigated is PN. That seems to either hit people or not. When it does, apparently there is no warning and some people feel the rate is as high as 15% of DNP users.
I want to be clear that I am not advocating anyone use DNP, or any other substance, legal or otherwise. I am not and do not claim to be a doctor. I am not here to defend or champion DNP use. But on a board like this, useful data and informed opinions are welcome.
Dominic DeGregorio
New Member
Yes they're legit. I ordered 50 of their 200mg caps and it best the shit out of me. It's good to go
How were they packaged? Was there any filler and if not, did you weigh any to see how close they were to the promised dosage?
Majorgains123
New Member
Just ordered from them too! 250mg. Payed with Card and yes that was a weird process but it was legit. Got tracking number same day as order. Will report back once arriving.
Majorgains123
New Member
Are you planning on 200mg per day or doing more like 400mg per day?
All I can say about DNP is it works. Nothing compares to it.
Majorgains123
New Member
How much did you take and for how long??
I started at 200 for 4 days then went to 400mg for the next 3 weeks.
I accomplished what I wanted and stopped after that. I was as lean as I ever have been. Let me share this, your workouts will suffer and you will feel like crap the whole time. Just keep your workouts to about half of what you're used to, and don't push yourself thru the pain and suffering.
Just constantly remind yourself of the end product.
Lastly, I did the DNP protocol about 10 weeks out of the show day. It was easy to stick with the diet after those 3 weeks of misery. The change in my look motivated me and I trained hard and smart for the duration. Will I do it again? Maybe. You just have to accept that the misery is worth it. Some can persevere, some just can't.
I accomplished what I wanted and stopped after that. I was as lean as I ever have been. Let me share this, your workouts will suffer and you will feel like crap the whole time. Just keep your workouts to about half of what you're used to, and don't push yourself thru the pain and suffering.
Just constantly remind yourself of the end product.
Lastly, I did the DNP protocol about 10 weeks out of the show day. It was easy to stick with the diet after those 3 weeks of misery. The change in my look motivated me and I trained hard and smart for the duration. Will I do it again? Maybe. You just have to accept that the misery is worth it. Some can persevere, some just can't.
Was that with the stuff from the website this thread is about?
No. This DNP came from a source I had some 5 years ago.
AnTabolic73
Well-known Member
All that research is probably from before laser vision surgery. But do you think people who have gotten the surgery should stay away from dnp?
AnTabolic73
Well-known Member
Also @Eman do you know if that @Conciliator guy ever wrote that book on dnp he mentions?
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