Hcg alone for trt?

[ftaro]

Does anyone have experience with this? My doc is considering putting me on along with an ai.
Also, would it be retarded to run cycles in combination with long term hcg use? Thanks guys

 

[TRT@40]

I have done HCG only therapy for TRT; 1000ius EOD got my test to about 800.
This only works if your testes are functional.
Make sure to keep a special issue on your estrogen.
What dose of HCG and an AI is he taking about?
It is actually a good idea to run low dose hcg when cycling as it helps to keep the testicular mass and preserve fertility amongst other benefits

 

[TRT@40]

Correction: Pay attention to your estrogen levels as high dose of HCG as in HCG monotherapy will raise the level well above normal levels

 

[ftaro]

I have done HCG only therapy for TRT; 1000ius EOD got my test to about 800.
This only works if your testes are functional.
Make sure to keep a special issue on your estrogen.
What dose of HCG and an AI is he taking about?
It is actually a good idea to run low dose hcg when cycling as it helps to keep the testicular mass and preserve fertility amongst other benefits

I’m still awaiting blood test results before we figure out exact HCG dosing. He said he would definitely prescribe an AI as to keep estrogen in check, which is great.

Holy shit you were on 10,000 iu every other day? That seems crazy high. How long were you on that for?

 

[TRT@40]

I’m still awaiting blood test results before we figure out exact HCG dosing. He said he would definitely prescribe an AI as to keep estrogen in check, which is great.

Holy shit you were on 10,000 iu every other day? That seems crazy high. How long were you on that for?

10,000 IUs EOD is almost impractical. It was 1000 IUs EOD for me as stated in my 2nd last post.
I was on it for at least 1.5 years. When I started TRT a few years back, I did not know much and I went on this dose of HCG without any an AI. Oh boy was my estrogen high! and this caused joint aches for me. You would think an endo in his 50's would know this proactively.
Thankfully in 2017, I found this forum and learned a lot from very helpful members here.
Then I asked endo to prescribe me an AI to which he agreed. I eventually got him to prescribe me test for TRT.

I dont know your age or your plans for fathering a child. If you already don't have kids and want kids in the future, your best bet is to use HCG (without any exogenous test). It will keep your testes functional and healthy sperm production

 

[ftaro]

10,000 IUs EOD is almost impractical. It was 1000 IUs EOD for me as stated in my 2nd last post.
I was on it for at least 1.5 years. When I started TRT a few years back, I did not know much and I went on this dose of HCG without any an AI. Oh boy was my estrogen high! and this caused joint aches for me. You would think an endo in his 50's would know this proactively.
Thankfully in 2017, I found this forum and learned a lot from very helpful members here.
Then I asked endo to prescribe me an AI to which he agreed. I eventually got him to prescribe me test for TRT.

I dont know your age or your plans for fathering a child. If you already don't have kids and want kids in the future, your best bet is to use HCG (without any exogenous test). It will keep your testes functional and healthy sperm production

My bad dude, I misread your post as 10,000, hence my confusion. Thanks for your input. Do you know of any downsides to long term HCG use? I’m talking years and years here. Additionally, did you get any sides other than the high estrogen?

Yeah hcg monotherapy for me because I’m still young (20’s) and plan on having kids somewhere down the road.

 

[Theworm]

I have done HCG only therapy for TRT; 1000ius EOD got my test to about 800.
This only works if your testes are functional.
Make sure to keep a special issue on your estrogen.
What dose of HCG and an AI is he taking about?
It is actually a good idea to run low dose hcg when cycling as it helps to keep the testicular mass and preserve fertility amongst other benefits

What was the dose of your AI?

If hcg got you to 800 why switch to test injections?

 

[Olofmeister]

hCG therapy has two major advantages over testosterone replacement therapy. It stimulates growth of the testes, which may be important to boys with delayed puberty, and may stimulate sufficient intratesticular testosterone production to facilitate initiation of spermatogenesi
The disadvantages of hCG treatment include frequent injections, expense, and elevation of estradiol relative to testosterone, which may cause gynecomastia. If blocking antibodies to hCG are induced, its efficacy may be diminished.

From: Encyclopedia of Endocrine Diseases (Second Edition), 2018

 

[wsmwannabe]

I can tell you that 500 IU/wk does not work. I had to come off of everything due to an injury (but I kept running HCG only) and just got fat and lost a bit of lean mass, and strength fell off quite a bit.

 

[Theworm]

I can tell you that 500 IU/wk does not work. I had to come off of everything due to an injury (but I kept running HCG only) and just got fat and lost a bit of lean mass, and strength fell off quite a bit.

I was thinking 500 iu daily

 

[wsmwannabe]

I was thinking 500 iu daily

That sounds sufficient based on what I read in this thread. I was on 500/wk for 2 months late last year. Like I said I had to come off everything (I was running NPP) and I didn’t trust my body to restart on it’s own. I was having eye issues and didn’t want to take a SERM in case it made them worse. So I just stuck with HCG in hopes that I wouldn’t have completely turned into a woman. I think the HCG helped a little but not as much as I’d hoped at that dose.

 

[Drew dude]

10,000 IUs EOD is almost impractical. It was 1000 IUs EOD for me as stated in my 2nd last post.
I was on it for at least 1.5 years. When I started TRT a few years back, I did not know much and I went on this dose of HCG without any an AI. Oh boy was my estrogen high! and this caused joint aches for me. You would think an endo in his 50's would know this proactively.
Thankfully in 2017, I found this forum and learned a lot from very helpful members here.
Then I asked endo to prescribe me an AI to which he agreed. I eventually got him to prescribe me test for TRT.

I dont know your age or your plans for fathering a child. If you already don't have kids and want kids in the future, your best bet is to use HCG (without any exogenous test). It will keep your testes functional and healthy sperm production

Which ai were you prescribed while on hcg alone, and what was your dosage?

 

[Drew dude]

That sounds sufficient based on what I read in this thread. I was on 500/wk for 2 months late last year. Like I said I had to come off everything (I was running NPP) and I didn’t trust my body to restart on it’s own. I was having eye issues and didn’t want to take a SERM in case it made them worse. So I just stuck with HCG in hopes that I wouldn’t have completely turned into a woman. I think the HCG helped a little but not as much as I’d hoped at that dose.

500iu/week i such an incredibly small dose. Coming off something as suppressive as NPP, you should have taken something like 1500iu/eod.

 

[wsmwannabe]

500iu/week i such an incredibly small dose. Coming off something as suppressive as NPP, you should have taken something like 1500iu/eod.

It was strictly an "experiment" coming off of an injury, knowing I'd be hopping back on TRT. My eye injury would not heal without having coming off of everything, and I was concerned that even the HCG may have been too much for it to heal. Luckily it was not, but I couldn't do anything (with regard to lifting) for 2 months and I did not want to prolong that. I was initially told it could be 4-6 months before I was cleared, so I freaked out about that too

 

[GuerillaPete]

I would do 1500 iu 3x week ( a bottle a week) get bloods and adjust from there.
You will have Peter North type loads.