Hello we are HGHPRO

So I'd like to clear up a couple of questions I have for hghpro. I apologize if I forgot that some may have already been asked and answered.
I've read the thread since the beginning but my memory is far from perfect. All this is asked with respect assuming that hghpro is not a conman, I have no reason to act differently at this point.

In the interest of transparency I do have a healthy skepticism for all sources, even those well established. And several of his statements make my alarm bell go off. I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt as I don't expect him to tell us who he really is or if he's sourced or scammed previously. He does have an unusual amount of knowledge about the industry and current and past sources for someone who is portraying himself as new to the underground industry.

I've seen sources go bad after 5-8 years of being "golden". Usually they don't take that long to go bad though. And when a source starts offering pre-orders that is often the beginning of the end. They generally don't start that until they established themselves and have a good customer base of shills bootlickers, and alternate identities to give themselves pats on the back for such great products and service.

I am not and never have been affiliated with any source in any way. In fact most sources consider me a risk because I do ask blunt questions and do my homework. The way I see it is that if they have nothing to hide then they shouldn't have any problems with my questions

First, is this puretropin the same as the puretropin that has been available on several boards for a few years? The stuff sold by Iron-lion?

That puretropin tested out fairly well, not quite up to the standards of the greytop.com greys but were priced in the same range as the puretropin from hghpro. I knew several people who used and liked it, especially for the price .

Second, I've had several people tell me that hghpro told them that these puretropin are actually the exact same product as thegreytop.com greys and made in the same place Is this true? I've been told by a few guys that greys are made by a certain gmp facility that I don't think I should mention here. A brand name.

I realize that I am dealing with a lot of hearsay here but that is the nature of the boards and the HGH business in particular. The whole black market ped market is full of liars and conmen but the HGH game takes it to another level. It makes figuring out what is true difficult if not impossible. I'm trying not to perpetuate the misinformation by continuing to repeat it. I'm simply asking directly if hghpro, or someone else can verify this?

In the time I've been on the boards I've seen everything from underdosed, counterfeit with no active ingredients to things being substituted such as prednisone and hcg so as to mimic the potential negative side effects of HGH. Sides such as edema and pseudo carpal tunnel syndrome etc.

Lately it seems most generics have some form of HGH, just varying levels of purity, potency, and dimer content. I believe that the biggest concern here with the members trying to vet the source is that there will be a drop off in quality of the puretropin after initially sending out higher in the beginning. The "bait and switch" so often referred to.
 
So I'd like to clear up a couple of questions I have for hghpro. I apologize if I forgot that some may have already been asked and answered.
I've read the thread since the beginning but my memory is far from perfect. All this is asked with respect assuming that hghpro is not a conman, I have no reason to act differently at this point.

In the interest of transparency I do have a healthy skepticism for all sources, even those well established. And several of his statements make my alarm bell go off. I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt as I don't expect him to tell us who he really is or if he's sourced or scammed previously. He does have an unusual amount of knowledge about the industry and current and past sources for someone who is portraying himself as new to the underground industry.

I've seen sources go bad after 5-8 years of being "golden". Usually they don't take that long to go bad though. And when a source starts offering pre-orders that is often the beginning of the end. They generally don't start that until they established themselves and have a good customer base of shills bootlickers, and alternate identities to give themselves pats on the back for such great products and service.

I am not and never have been affiliated with any source in any way. In fact most sources consider me a risk because I do ask blunt questions and do my homework. The way I see it is that if they have nothing to hide then they shouldn't have any problems with my questions

First, is this puretropin the same as the puretropin that has been available on several boards for a few years? The stuff sold by Iron-lion?

That puretropin tested out fairly well, not quite up to the standards of the greytop.com greys but were priced in the same range as the puretropin from hghpro. I knew several people who used and liked it, especially for the price .

Second, I've had several people tell me that hghpro told them that these puretropin are actually the exact same product as thegreytop.com greys and made in the same place Is this true? I've been told by a few guys that greys are made by a certain gmp facility that I don't think I should mention here. A brand name.

I realize that I am dealing with a lot of hearsay here but that is the nature of the boards and the HGH business in particular. The whole black market ped market is full of liars and conmen but the HGH game takes it to another level. It makes figuring out what is true difficult if not impossible. I'm trying not to perpetuate the misinformation by continuing to repeat it. I'm simply asking directly if hghpro, or someone else can verify this?

In the time I've been on the boards I've seen everything from underdosed, counterfeit with no active ingredients to things being substituted such as prednisone and hcg so as to mimic the potential negative side effects of HGH. Sides such as edema and pseudo carpal tunnel syndrome etc.

Lately it seems most generics have some form of HGH, just varying levels of purity, potency, and dimer content. I believe that the biggest concern here with the members trying to vet the source is that there will be a drop off in quality of the puretropin after initially sending out higher in the beginning. The "bait and switch" so often referred to.
It is not the same when we deciced to call it that we had no idea of another brand called the same thing.

Secondly if you have been told by anyone that i told them that the puretropin were the exact same product produced in the exact same place they are lying and i would appreciate it if you asked whoever told you that to come here and show where i sais that. My only statement i have ever made referring to thegreytop was that these were of similar quality.

as for a bait and switch why would anyone do that im not saying people havent but i guess my question is why would someone i mean if you have the ability to supply a good product at a fair price point you stand to do far better by supplying that same product consistently vs swapping it for junk especially when you never know what will or wont be tested.

Also where have we shown excessive knowlege of any other sources past or present? Just a question not an argument so please dont take it as such
 
Prove that the greys are manufactured in a pharma facility and accurately dosed? Why don't you ask @mands; he knows exactly what factory they are made in. Do you trust him?

I have seen several tests over the years of Karls GH including the lab testing project Iwas involved in where 2 different methodologies of testing were used. I also know of a competitor of Karl's that tested his GH and admitted that it tested out accurately. I have not been active in the community for a while, so I don't know whats recent, but I thought it was common knowledge in the community that his GH is/was fine. Considering that the rhetoric on this board used to be that the Chinese are incapable of making real GH; you may still be light years behind of the real world.

More bullshit. I don’t care about the facility. Prove the test WAS NOT CORRECT. You can’t! So why sit there saying the test was bad. It’s because you are a fucking LIAR.

Oh and the YOUR testing... you never even showed any CONTROLS! Get the fuck outta here with your long winded zero evidence bullshit.

Non stop lies. Non stop ramblings. Getting the following of those who simply assume your words as truth. Well I have tested your words and we can all see there is ZERO TRUTH!

You are fucking with someone who pays attention to details here. And I will be following you.

And stop name dropping Mands like your statements are made true by dropping his name. Stop speaking for him. If Mands wants to declare something, he will fucking do it himself. Another SCAM of yours.

You are nothing more than a manipulator of weak minded people.
 
Why would Iapologize to Dr.J; it should be the other way around. I was the one who was right and I was the one who was willing to have a discussion on or off the board. I was willing to get other people involved so we could have a meaningful discussion. You guys are the ones that made false, baseless accusations like you are doing now; in order to deflect and not have to have a discussion. Thats what you do because you aren't competent enough to have a real debate. Like I said, you don't care about the truth; just winning some name calling war.

Why do you say this?

YOU WERE WRONG. The tests came out bad. There is evidence against you. What planet are you living on where you believe you were right!

WOW, yet another scam statement by you to get the following of those who assume your words to be true. A literal lie where evidence is against you and you sit there and say, “I was right.”

Is this the twilight zone?

IF YOUR LIPS ARE MOVING, YOU ARE LYING!
 
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Which tests are you referring to?

The previous testing by Mands and Dr. Jim. There were just a couple of greys that came back underdosed. The vast MAJORITY were spot on.

I would run the greys myself as they were majorly close to as advertised most of the time. However, Muscle is a complete liar if he thinks he can say the test is bad because he saw the factory. :rolleyes:
 
The previous testing by Mands and Dr. Jim. There were just a couple of greys that came back underdosed. The vast MAJORITY were spot on.

I would run the greys myself as they were majorly close to as advertised most of the time. However, Muscle is a complete liar if he thinks he can say the test is bad because he saw the factory. :rolleyes:

There was pharmacy purchased serostim that also came back underdosed during that testing... Now, I have absolutely nothing against Jim or Mands, as a matter of fact I consider them both friends, but the seros that was sent was meant to keep the lab on it's toes... A control. The fact that it came back underdosed was a problem.

For the same reason that you would expect seros to be accurately dosed, M96 is expecting the greys to be accurately dosed. It's not a big leap to make... I know where they're manufactured as well so yeah, it would be odd to have them come back as underdosed, just like if seros came back underdosed. The only difference between the two examples is the FDA, and I have to hold those approved by the FDA in higher regard... For whatever that's worth.
 
There was pharmacy purchased serostim that also came back underdosed during that testing... Now, I have absolutely nothing against Jim or Mands, as a matter of fact I consider them both friends, but the seros that was sent was meant to keep the lab on it's toes... A control. The fact that it came back underdosed was a problem.
Yes, it was, and drj and mands were totally honest and upfront about it, kept everything transparent, and kept the board involved every step of the way. The problem was, muscle, buck, and the rest of them pm crew came over and destroyed the thread, and the testing program with the non stop, long winded, made up bullshit. They weren't interested in harm reduction, or the truth. Only to protect their precious grey top reputation. I believe they set the whole hgh program here at meso back years. And when muscle came to this thread, he started it all over again, and since @Sdryx explained it better than I could, ill leave it at that
 
Yes, it was, and drj and mands were totally honest and upfront about it, kept everything transparent, and kept the board involved every step of the way. The problem was, muscle, buck, and the rest of them pm crew came over and destroyed the thread, and the testing program with the non stop, long winded, made up bullshit. They weren't interested in harm reduction, or the truth. Only to protect their precious grey top reputation. I believe they set the whole hgh program here at meso back years. And when muscle came to this thread, he started it all over again, and since @Sdryx explained it better than I could, ill leave it at that

Your argument is one sided because of your disdain for Promuscle, and a part of me appreciates that because PM is the kind of board that creates Meso members. Meso members flock to an uncensored board like this after having spent time at PM being squeezed for money.

Regardless, there are two sides to the issues in all the GH testing threads... Let's not act like the PM members are solely to blame. I also don't know why you're referring to their greytop reputation... It's been said time and time again that M96 isn't earning money from greytop sales. Why would he, they would sell with or without him.
 
Your argument is one sided because of your disdain for Promuscle, and a part of me appreciates that because PM is the kind of board that creates Meso members. Meso members flock to an uncensored board like this after having spent time at PM being squeezed for money.

Regardless, there are two sides to the issues in all the GH testing threads... Let's not act like the PM members are solely to blame. I also don't know why you're referring to their greytop reputation... It's been said time and time again that M96 isn't earning money from greytop sales. Why would he, they would sell with or without him.
No offense, I always enjoy speaking with you, you're one of my favorite members. but I've said everything I possibly can in this situation, for me, it's time to let it go and move on, and get back to this thread about vetting this source
 
No offense, I always enjoy speaking with you, you're one of my favorite members. but I've said everything I possibly can in this situation, for me, it's time to let it go and move on, and get back to this thread about vetting this source

No offense taken... I only spoke because you spoke to me first about it.
 

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