Help me do rhGH as safely as possible

songsofpyramids

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Age/Gender: 36 M
Weight: 175lbs
Body fat: 16% (but measured with the scan so unsure how accurate)
Exercise: lift 5x a week fasted first thing in the am, but need to get cardio on lock more (in process) for about 2 years.
Diet: most on lock than any point in my life. IF with an 8 hour a day food window. 175g protein a day and the rest split 50/50 fats and carbs. Eat at maintenance or a little below (2100-2300 cal a day).
Bloodwork: spotless beyond a auto-immune marker being slightly high, as well as slightly high cholesterol (working on fixing, and potential autoimmune is being monitored).
PED use: natty except for 4 month use of mod grf and ipamorelin (100/200-250mcg 3-5x a day with very good results).

About a year ago I really started feeling my age. Recovery got harder, I got tired easier, and I just felt more ragged than I used to. Following a bunch of research I decided of research I decided to try the above peptide cycle (which I slowed titrated up to). I had incredible results honestly. I feel and look younger, my skin improved (also use script vitamin a), I dropped fat, put on lean mass, and had more improvements in ptsd related sleep issues than any point since I was 18-19 and suffered trauma.

Following such good results, and months of reading and researching on this and other forums, I’ve decided it is time to strap on my big boy shoes and try the real deal rhGH to see if I get even improved results however I’ve got a few concerns I’d like help addressing that I can’t find solid answers on.

Plan: I have 600iu good rhGH. I want to slowly titrate up to 3.6iu every day and ride this out for a 6 month recomp cycle. I plan to dose myself at 3-4am when I usually wake up to go pee to reduce insulin sensitivity issues as I’ll be fasted substantially by then and for a good chunk of time afterwards. I plan on doing a short few week “rhGH pct” with mod grf and ipa to spur natural GH production after the cycle (tho I know this isn’t explicitly necessary).

Goals: fat loss, better hair, skin wrinkle reduction, improved sense of well-being, sleep improvement, and lean muscle gain (even if this is not super dramatic).

Reason for not adding other anabolics: at 36 my testosterone is at 738ng/dl (and I can’t remember what free was but both were very good for my age) and I don’t feel like fucking that up with a bad pct and have to accelerate when I start trt (which I plan on doing when medically necessary). I also don’t care about getting huge or looking enhanced (but wouldn’t argue with a small boost to my physique). I also don’t want to look older quicker.

Questions:

1: is this a reasonable protocol and duration for my age and goals?

2: is this a relatively safe cycle if monitoring vitals and blood glucose well? (My research says yes this is relatively safe but I guess I’m looking for validation that it’s not stupid).

3: what is a good rate to titrate up my dose? I’ve read suggestions all over the place in terms of dose. Would starting at 1.5iu and increasing .5iu every 2 weeks till I hit 3.6iu be a good schedule?

4: what is the best protocol for mitigating insulin sensitivity, and how worried should I be about that at the dosage I’m using?

5: Besides metformin (which I don’t want to mess with) and Bernadine (already in the mail on the way) is there anything ever I can do to protect against insulin sensitivity?

6: how worried should I be of the potential for gyno and is there a pct product I should get in order to protect myself from it? This seems to be an outlier issue but I’d like to avoid it if it comes to it.

7: (I know this is a debate in and of itself) but how real is the belief that “rhGH is useless without other ped”?

I’m sorry for such a long first non-introductory post but, I wanted to get as much info as possible as well as explain my reluctance to do a traditional first cycle of test. Thank you for any and all help meso!
 
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I have already read this whole thread, thank you tho. Although these issues are discussed, Type-IIx never addresses the majority of these questions head on and states a protocol (I assume because they’re being saved for his book) which is why I’m asking, particularly about mitigating insulin sensitivity. That is a great thread of information tho.
 
Age/Gender: 36 M
Weight: 175lbs
Body fat: 16% (but measured with the scan so unsure how accurate)
Exercise: lift 5x a week fasted first thing in the am, but need to get cardio on lock more (in process) for about 2 years.
Diet: most on lock than any point in my life. IF with an 8 hour a day food window. 175g protein a day and the rest split 50/50 fats and carbs. Eat at maintenance or a little below (2100-2300 cal a day).
Bloodwork: spotless beyond a auto-immune marker being slightly high, as well as slightly high cholesterol (working on fixing, and potential autoimmune is being monitored).
PED use: natty except for 4 month use of mod grf and ipamorelin (100/200-250mcg 3-5x a day with very good results).

About a year ago I really started feeling my age. Recovery got harder, I got tired easier, and I just felt more ragged than I used to. Following a bunch of research I decided of research I decided to try the above peptide cycle (which I slowed titrated up to). I had incredible results honestly. I feel and look younger, my skin improved (also use script vitamin a), I dropped fat, put on lean mass, and had more improvements in ptsd related sleep issues than any point since I was 18-19 and suffered trauma.

Following such good results, and months of reading and researching on this and other forums, I’ve decided it is time to strap on my big boy shoes and try the real deal rhGH to see if I get even improved results however I’ve got a few concerns I’d like help addressing that I can’t find solid answers on.

Plan: I have 600iu good rhGH. I want to slowly titrate up to 3.6iu every day and ride this out for a 6 month recomp cycle. I plan to dose myself at 3-4am when I usually wake up to go pee to reduce insulin sensitivity issues as I’ll be fasted substantially by then and for a good chunk of time afterwards. I plan on doing a short few week “rhGH pct” with mod grf and ipa to spur natural GH production after the cycle (tho I know this isn’t explicitly necessary).

Goals: fat loss, better hair, skin wrinkle reduction, improved sense of well-being, sleep improvement, and lean muscle gain (even if this is not super dramatic).

Reason for not adding other anabolics: at 36 my testosterone is at 738ng/dl (and I can’t remember what free was but both were very good for my age) and I don’t feel like fucking that up with a bad pct and have to accelerate when I start trt (which I plan on doing when medically necessary). I also don’t care about getting huge or looking enhanced (but wouldn’t argue with a small boost to my physique). I also don’t want to look older quicker.

Questions:

1: is this a reasonable protocol and duration for my age and goals?

2: is this a relatively safe cycle if monitoring vitals and blood glucose well? (My research says yes this is relatively safe but I guess I’m looking for validation that it’s not stupid).

3: what is a good rate to titrate up my dose? I’ve read suggestions all over the place in terms of dose. Would starting at 1.5iu and increasing .5iu every 2 weeks till I hit 3.6iu be a good schedule?

4: what is the best protocol for mitigating insulin sensitivity, and how worried should I be about that at the dosage I’m using?

5: Besides metformin (which I don’t want to mess with) and Bernadine (already in the mail on the way) is there anything ever I can do to protect against insulin sensitivity?

6: how worried should I be of the potential for gyno and is there a pct product I should get in order to protect myself from it? This seems to be an outlier issue but I’d like to avoid it if it comes to it.

7: (I know this is a debate in and of itself) but how real is the belief that “rhGH is useless without other ped”?

I’m sorry for such a long first non-introductory post but, I wanted to get as much info as possible as well as explain my reluctance to do a traditional first cycle of test. Thank you for any and all help meso!

IMO everything here is 100% overthought. It's just GH. Pin your 3.6iu per day whenever, however, and with little concern to everything else.

You're bordering into "rate my stack" territory on r/supplements
 
IMO everything here is 100% overthought. It's just GH. Pin your 3.6iu per day whenever, however, and with little concern to everything else.

You're bordering into "rate my stack" territory on r/supplements
Ok, for whatever reason this makes me feel substantially better. For whatever reason researching it and getting that opinion just doesn’t slap as hard as being told you’re overthinking the shit out of something unnecessarily (and I’ve read enough of your posts to know you know what you’re talking about). Just being a pussy about handing in my natty card I guess (as if peptides aren’t doing that).
 
Buy a glucose meter too. Check it every so often
I've got a cheap-ish contour next glucose meter that I use on occasion. the normal OTC glucose meter where you prick your finger and use the test strips. I've found that I can take 3 different readings first thing in the morning and get 3 drastically different readings. dawn effect probably has something to do with it but i also think that your blood flow to your fingertips first thing impacts the readings. I can get a reading in the low 90's on one hand and a reading in the mid-100's on the other hand.

not to say glucose readings aren't valuable data, it's just important sometimes to understand the potentials for errors in the data and how it should be best managed.
 
also the more i educated i try to become about glucose management, the more I tend to think that moment in time glucose readings aren't that valuable and your hemoglobin A1c is the take home. lots of things can temporarily impact blood glucose that doesn't necessarily mean you're overdoing the rhGH or underdoing the cardio/gda's (although IMO cardio is the solution to everything).
 
also the more i educated i try to become about glucose management, the more I tend to think that moment in time glucose readings aren't that valuable and your hemoglobin A1c is the take home. lots of things can temporarily impact blood glucose that doesn't necessarily mean you're overdoing the rhGH or underdoing the cardio/gda's (although IMO cardio is the solution to everything).
Yea, I plan on using fasted cardio to try and keep everything in check, thank you for all the valuable information!
 
I've got a cheap-ish contour next glucose meter that I use on occasion. the normal OTC glucose meter where you prick your finger and use the test strips. I've found that I can take 3 different readings first thing in the morning and get 3 drastically different readings. dawn effect probably has something to do with it but i also think that your blood flow to your fingertips first thing impacts the readings. I can get a reading in the low 90's on one hand and a reading in the mid-100's on the other hand.

not to say glucose readings aren't valuable data, it's just important sometimes to understand the potentials for errors in the data and how it should be best managed.
The blood glucose aspect of rhGH is my biggest worry. This is good info to have.
 
In typeiix thread there is a tldr post.. that method is gauged toward fat loss. He says himself nighttime gh is actually how he personally uses it though
 
In typeiix thread there is a tldr post.. that method is gauged toward fat loss. He says himself nighttime gh is actually how he personally uses it though
Yes, but he specifically says he’s not mentioning his insulin sensitivity reducing or hypertrophy protocols to save for his book. The fat loss protocol is not his solution for mitigating insulin risk afaik. I would also be interested in what ppl think the best protocol is for hypertrophy, but I suppose that answer is likely throwing more rhGH at the problem rather than nuances of shot timing.
 
Use a new needle/syringe everytime, use bacteriostatic water for recon, wipe vial top and skin with alcohol pad every time, refrigerate vial after recon, start at 2iu and titrate up about 0.2 - 0.5 IU every 2 - 3 weeks monitoring for sides until desired dose is reached or side effects are unmanageable. That's it really for safety. Then just maintain the dose as long as you want.
 
This looks like a case of "paralysis by analysis". Simply take your gh right before bed and do your weightlifting and cardio. Your blood glucose isn't going to get messed up at 3-4iu unless you're just being negligent. Berberine should be plenty for peace of mind. Gyno shouldn't be a concern if it wasn't caused/aggravated by the ipamorelin already. HGH will still be useful for what it does which is improved sleep, skin, fat loss, recovery.
 
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This looks like a case of "paralysis by analysis". Simply take your gh right before bed and do your weightlifting and cardio. Your blood glucose isn't going to get messed up at 3-4iu unless you're just being negligent. Berberine should be plenty for peace of mind. Gyno shouldn't be a concern if it wasn't caused/aggravated by the ipamorelin already. HGH will still be useful for what it does which is mproved sleep, skin, fat loss, recovery.
This increasingly looks like the case, paralysis by analysis. Thank you for this input!
 
Use a new needle/syringe everytime, use bacteriostatic water for recon, wipe vial top and skin with alcohol pad every time, refrigerate vial after recon, start at 2iu and titrate up about 0.2 - 0.5 IU every 2 - 3 weeks monitoring for sides until desired dose is reached or side effects are unmanageable. That's it really for safety. Then just maintain the dose as long as you want.
Thank you for a suggested titration schedule! I used this to build out my cycle thank you
 
The tolerance and titration schedule will vary for everyone of course. With that said, I started day 1 with 1iu before bed. Next day I did 1.5iu, next night 2, then I just went straight into 3-4iu/day. Sometimes all at night. Sometimes split morning and night if my schedule allows morning cardio that day. I had some tingly hands/fingers a VERY little bit in the first week but it quickly went away just as fast as it showed up
 
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Common knowledge and experience tells me blood glucose is not an issue at 4iu or below. You really don't "feel" much at all. The stuff does wonders on body composition, skin and sleep though. Just be prepared for the long haul as many see no body comp/skin results for the first 2-3 months (sleep improvements come within a few weeks though)
 
The tolerance and titration schedule will vary for everyone of course. With that said, I started day 1 with 1iu before bed. Next day I did 1.5iu, next night 2, then I just went straight into 3-4iu/day. Sometimes all at night. Sometimes split morning and night if my schedule allows morning cardio that day. I had some tingly hands/fingers a VERY little bit I’m the first week but it quickly went away just as fast as it showed up
Good to know that titration is easier for some than others. I’ve seen complaints after ramping to fast but I think I’m overthinking everything lol
 
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