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[Stretch]

id break a slin pin, im still so scared of needles that they made a song about my injection technique.

poke it in, pull it out
poke it in, pull it out
and shake it all about

21/23g and a 5ml barrel helps get it done quickly though.

Bro.

Just try it. Please.

Get one pack of slins and try.

Hydraulic properties dictate that the smaller the barrel gets, less pressure will be required on the plunger, making for an easier injection. Meaning; if you won't try slins, at least go with a 3cc barrel.

 

[skofan]

Bro.

Just try it. Please.

Get one pack of slins and try.

Hydraulic properties dictate that the smaller the barrel gets, less pressure will be required on the plunger, making for an easier injection. Meaning; if you won't try slins, at least go with a 3cc barrel.

actually i believe physics dictate that the larger the surface area of the plunger, the easier the injections, and actually switched from 2 cc's to 5 cc's just for that, cant say i noticed much of a difference tbh, but i still have both sizes laying around, so i guess i can do a side by side comparison.

i might be wrong though, cant say that i paid much attention to fluid dynamics and such in school.

edit: its a whole lot easier to aspirate though.

 

[Stretch]

I respectfully disagree.

The problem is, your imagination is incorrect.

Dan Duchaine had the same problem. He rejected the experience-based fact that it is just as easy to push through a 29 gauge as a 25 -- because he had this model in his mind that that could not be so -- and he did not understand the hydraulic principles involved. I had only one conversation with him on this but it was fruitless.

So, you're not alone in finding it impossible to believe.

However, since apparently you're not accepting the experience based fact and don't seem interested in seeing for yourself, here's the hydraulics explanation:

The pressure required at the plunger is the product of the pressure of the fluid and the area of the plunger.

The 29 gauge has a far smaller plunger area than does the 25 gauge.

The result is, that while your view that a higher oil pressure is required for any given flow rate is quite correct, the smaller plunger gives that higher oil pressure without any more plunger pressure (force of the thumb) being required.
Because the higher oil pressure is acting against a smaller plunger area, thus giving no greater resistive force.

You know, it was many, many centuries after Aristotle figured in his head that big rocks HAD to drop faster than smaller rocks, because that was just logical after all, before anyone got the idea to actually try it to see what was right. So there is a human prejudice to stick with models-in-the-head even when that should not be done, due both to the theory being wrong and the facts being different.

It really is not valid to stick with what "seems" to be right according to a model in the head when there is both good reason why it is not so and there is a vast base of experience showing that it's not so.

It doesn't take more thumb pressure to use a 29 gauge than a 25.

Rather than trying to imagine it, actually trying it would be the way to know.

 

[MANWHORE]

All I know is vodka comes out
Of a glass much faster than a bottle..
That's why I use a glass

 

[smt71]

[snip]
I am going to go take a good shower, then dump another 3cc into each delt.

Dam! I didn't even know you could put 3cc into a delt. Bro you're a beast!!

I'm gonna have to try slin pins.

 

[Stretch]

Haha...this is the first time I've tried it.

That ultradex from Sciroxx calloused my muscles...lol. That shit was tough. 2cc of that, was 300mg of powder. And I injected 3cc of that a few times, for 450mg.

The older guys don't even get PIP. I seen BB69 talking about some 200 or 300mg prop. And he said he still didn't get PIP. So apparently over the years, pip will continue to fade. I look forward to 0 pip, because it does interfere with workouts occasionally and sleeping positions as well.

I think me being able to put 3cc in each delt has something to do with the fact that I use 1cc slin pins....so its 3 injections...which makes it slower, allowing oil to disperse, as well as, I move the injection sites around hitting all three points.

 

[Mike Oxbig]

I frequently inject 3ml in my delts. I use a 25g.

 

[Stretch]

I frequently inject 3ml in my delts. I use a 25g.

Way to steal my thunder....dick[)]

 

[Mike Oxbig]

Way to steal my thunder....dick[)]

 

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[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I respectfully disagree.

This is simplified and doesn't account for the differences in the flow rates of different sizes of hydraulic cylinders at a given pressure but should adequately demonstrate how hydraulic forces work in syringes. I've arbitrarily chosen whole numbers for the sake of clarity. I don't think anyone will be injecting with a syringe that's plunger has an area of 6 in^2. Well, Manwhore might use one for tren but he'd be the only one.

To determine the force of a cylinder, use this formula: F = p x A

F = force in pounds (how hard you have to push on the plunger)
p = pressure in psi (pressure in the syringe chamber. I'll use 3 psi to keep it simple)
A = area of cylinder piston (I'll use 3 in^2 for the small cylinder and 6 in^2 for the large one)

For the smaller cylinder:
F = p x A
F = 3psi x 3 in^2
F = 9 lbs

It takes 9lbs of force applied to the plunger of the small cylinder to produce a pressure of 3 psi on the cylinder chamber.


For the larger cylinder:
F = p x A
F = 3psi x 6 in^2
F = 18 lbs

It takes 18lbs of force applied to the plunger on the large cylinder to produce a pressure of 3psi on the syringe chamber.

So it takes twice as much force applied to the large cylinder to produce the same pressure as the small cylinder. If you increase the force applied to the small cylinder to 18lbs, you'll double the pressure to 6 psi on the cylinder chamber and the flow rate will equal that of the larger cylinder.

Apologies for any errors. It's Friday night and ETOH is in the mix.

 

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[mands]

This is simplified and doesn't account for the differences in the flow rates of different sizes of hydraulic cylinders at a given pressure but should adequately demonstrate how hydraulic forces work in syringes. I've arbitrarily chosen whole numbers for the sake of clarity. I don't think anyone will be injecting with a syringe that's plunger has an area of 6 in^2. Well, Manwhore might use one for tren but he'd be the only one.

To determine the force of a cylinder, use this formula: F = p x A

F = force in pounds (how hard you have to push on the plunger)
p = pressure in psi (pressure in the syringe chamber. I'll use 3 psi to keep it simple)
A = area of cylinder piston (I'll use 3 in^2 for the small cylinder and 6 in^2 for the large one)

For the smaller cylinder:
F = p x A
F = 3psi x 3 in^2
F = 9 lbs

It takes 9lbs of force applied to the plunger of the small cylinder to produce a pressure of 3 psi on the cylinder chamber.


For the larger cylinder:
F = p x A
F = 3psi x 6 in^2
F = 18 lbs

It takes 18lbs of force applied to the plunger on the large cylinder to produce a pressure of 3psi on the syringe chamber.

So it takes twice as much force applied to the large cylinder to produce the same pressure as the small cylinder. If you increase the force applied to the small cylinder to 18lbs, you'll double the pressure to 6 psi on the cylinder chamber and the flow rate will equal that of the larger cylinder.

Apologies for any errors. It's Friday night and ETOH is in the mix.

Aren't you two in violent agreement? The smaller the barrel the easier it is to push.

mands

 

[Stretch]

Yeah, that was my thought too. He was just flexing his brain.

 

[DieYoungStrong]

My brain is hurting from all these physics. Stick the needle in and push the plunger. Not rocket science.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Yeah, that was my thought too. He was just flexing his brain.

I was affirming your point and gave an explanation for why it was so. Smartass!

 

[Stretch]

I was affirming your point and gave an explanation for why it was so. Smartass!

lol. And I appreciated it. It just reads a little funny to me, like mands said "violent agreement"

Thanks again,
Stretch
smartass[)]