HGH and Heart Rate During Cardio

[AlexDavis43]

Nine of the patients in placebo arm were in treatment with ACE inhibitors, whereas seven of them where on B-blockers; in the GH group instead, eight patient were on ACE inhibitors and nine on  B-blocker treatment. All patients completed the 3-month course of treatment; those in the GH group did not report side effects. There was no change in body weight, body composition, or hemoglobin concentration after GH or placebo. The serum IGF-I level significantly increased (near doubled) in all patients treated withGHand remained stable in the placebo group. The clinical status improved after GH, as indicated by the significantly decreased NYHA functional class, whereas it remained stable in the placebo group. GH did not affect the resting heart rate; the mean arterial pressure was significantly lower due to a reduction in both systolic and diastolic arterial pressure. There was no change in heart rate or in arterial blood pressure after placebo.

More people in the GH group were on beta blockers. This may have offset the GH difference compared to placebo. The sample sizes are too small to request a subgroup analysis but maybe a small effect.

 

[malfeasance]

I'm finding it a real PITA to manage RHR on a Test/Tren/Var cycle now I've introduced GH for the first time, at 5IU. My HR spikes on Tren/Var anyway, but 10mg Nebivolol keeps it 65ish even up to moderate/high dose. HGH has pushed it straight back to 80+ even after I've reduced doses of the anabolics.

Upped the nebivolol to 12.5 which seems to be reigning it in.

I'm using the HGH for fat loss effects atm - hence the tren and var combo to synergise. But it makes me wonder whether I'll bother running HGH for bulk cycles where I push anabolics high because the HR effects are too much. It'd probably be best to just run the anabolics high and exclude the HGH.

Either that or i'd have to change the primary compounds to ones that I know don't stimulate my HR like EQ, Mast, Primo, but would have to question whether that + HGH is better than just decent test/tren/nand doses etc

or take something like 15mg Nebivolol per day....

Interesting. A few weeks back I ran out of gh for a week or so. I didn't see a difference on my resting rhr. My chest sensor is broke so I wasn't checking it during cardio.I'm pretty anal about bp and rhr so I would have noticed. So weird how everyone gets effected differently.

So sexy gets elevated resting heart rate like me on hgh. roofer22 does not.

I guess just different persons are different.

So the question is whether I am harming myself by taking hgh?

 

[rexy]

So sexy gets elevated resting heart rate like me on hgh. roofer22 does not.

I guess just different persons are different.

So the question is whether I am harming myself by taking hgh?

I think the majority of people see HR increases, judging by how much anecdotal evidence there is on it across multiple boards. It’s rare someone doesn’t it seems. Part of its action in lipolysis is increasing catecholamine action. One study also showed a 10~24% increase in RMR in the subjects taking 3IU a day. So this catecholamine activity may be in a similar fashion to Clen and maybe stimulating beta 2 receptors. It’d make sense with how pronounced the HR effect is and for it to increase BMR.

 

[Sampei]

I'm finding it a real PITA to manage RHR on a Test/Tren/Var cycle now I've introduced GH for the first time, at 5IU. My HR spikes on Tren/Var anyway, but 10mg Nebivolol keeps it 65ish even up to moderate/high dose. HGH has pushed it straight back to 80+ even after I've reduced doses of the anabolics.

Upped the nebivolol to 12.5 which seems to be reigning it in.

I'm using the HGH for fat loss effects atm - hence the tren and var combo to synergise. But it makes me wonder whether I'll bother running HGH for bulk cycles where I push anabolics high because the HR effects are too much. It'd probably be best to just run the anabolics high and exclude the HGH.

Either that or i'd have to change the primary compounds to ones that I know don't stimulate my HR like EQ, Mast, Primo, but would have to question whether that + HGH is better than just decent test/tren/nand doses etc

or take something like 15mg Nebivolol per day....

80-90HR if it doesn't annoy you during the day it's not a big deal. I have spoke with plenty of cardiologist and they all told me that it's completely fine up to 100 after that if it hover continuosly at 110+ than you have a problem and need to fix it.

I have a cardiologist friend that doesn't use any peds at all and she is thin, not a fatty, no diabetes, nothing. She is healthy and as an HR of 100-105 resting.

So I believe we should keep it in check but without stressing it too much

 

[Ateam2023]

So sexy gets elevated resting heart rate like me on hgh. roofer22 does not.

I guess just different persons are different.

So the question is whether I am harming myself by taking hgh?

fwiw my rhr is 69-72 and i take 5 ius hgh daily, my hr while i sleep gets down to about 59-63,,, And i only get hr @125-135 bpm during cardio which is a stationary bike,,,

 

[Sampei]

fwiw my rhr is 69-72 and i take 5 ius hgh daily, my hr while i sleep gets down to about 59-63,,, And i only get hr @125-135 bpm during cardio which is a stationary bike,,,

My RHR is around 85-9x and during cardio at 6% incline walking speed of 2.5miles/h
My HR doesn't go past 125/130.

And if I push a bit more it mostly stays that way unless I start running.

 

[29trt]

On 18ui gh I am around 80bpm with 2.5mg nebivolol,if I take 5mg my cardio goes to shit and I can't get mai heart rate up ....

 

[Sampei]

On 18ui gh I am around 80bpm with 2.5mg nebivolol,if I take 5mg my cardio goes to shit and I can't get mai heart rate up ....

well unless you are training specifically for endurance and cardio activities, not a big deal if it doesn't go that high no?

 

[Trenbolonetax]

16iu GH + max dose Tirz (15mg) or Reta (12mg) has my RHR sit about ~20 points higher than normal. So, from ~60bpm to ~80bpm.

Heart rate under stress though during cardio, I wouldn't say that stack has my HR sit 20 points higher doing the same intensity. Closer to 10 BPM.

 

[29trt]

well unless you are training specifically for endurance and cardio activities, not a big deal if it doesn't go that high no?

Yeah except for the fact that it makes cardio feel like shit...makes 130bpm feel like 150-160.... So i choose to have rhr at 80 with less nebivolol than at 70 with more

 

[malfeasance]

So nebivolol negatively affects cardio performance?

 

[Sampei]

So nebivolol negatively affects cardio performance?

I never experienced any bad performance but maybe it's subjective I'm not really a cardio guy tho, I mean i Just walk on an incline treadmill doing LISS

 

[rexy]

80-90HR if it doesn't annoy you during the day it's not a big deal. I have spoke with plenty of cardiologist and they all told me that it's completely fine up to 100 after that if it hover continuosly at 110+ than you have a problem and need to fix it.

I have a cardiologist friend that doesn't use any peds at all and she is thin, not a fatty, no diabetes, nothing. She is healthy and as an HR of 100-105 resting.

So I believe we should keep it in check but without stressing it too much

Yeah that's the thing. it's an uncomfortable feeling for me as I'm susceptible to adrenergic sides, and it's bothersome - especially when sat down or in bed. I feel the HR. I think your cardiologist friend is probably wired for it if she doesn't feel 100bpm at rest negatively. She also hasn't got the PEDs increasing contractile force of the pulse though too and that definitely makes a given HR feel worse.

My 60-65 range already factored in Tren use. The increase to 85 might be in range in absolute terms, but it's certainly a large relative change, and more worrying especially considering the downward pressure of nebivolol that it's poking it's head out of. Even 15mg Nebivolol was only hitting 72bpm with the orals + HGH added.

If I didn't have any uncomfortable feelings on the increased HR, and if it wasn't poking through 15mg Nebivolol, I probably wouldn't bother.

I will add though that I dropped the anavar and winstrol since, and it's made a dramatic difference in 'feel' of the pulse pressure and bpm itself. I'm still on the 5IU but heart rate has dropped back to 67bpm on 10mg Nebivolol instead of 15mg - dosed 1x per day. I don't have the high HR jittery feel either - and that's almost 24 hours post-last Nebivolol dose when it'll be at it's worst.

TLDR: Orals going in the bin