HGH Anything you wish you knew before you got started?

[AlexDavis43]

I started at 4iu and ran that for pretty much a little under a year than I went up to a vial a day which is 12-14 iu

Would a pro consider this high? Nah prolly not, but just an average joe Id say this is called high.

@ChaseIrons may something to do with this perception. I think 12-14 IU/d is high even for pro's who mega-dose everything. At some point, diminishing returns and it can get expensive (not worth the money or sides for minimally more gainz)

 

[bighunanballs]

@ChaseIrons may something to do with this perception. I think 12-14 IU/d is high even for pro's who mega-dose everything. At some point, diminishing returns and it can get expensive (not worth the money or sides for minimally more gainz)

Have you read the latest HGH book out by coach Helix?

 

[AlexDavis43]

Have you read the latest HGH book out by coach Helix?

Hey come on that was me: "as much as you can afford and tolerate."

 

[bighunanballs]

Hey come on that was me: "as much as you can afford and tolerate."

Apparently I can tolerate 30iu a day but can't really afford it however I can afford 10iu but now I'm feening for that sleep off the 30iu.

 

[egruberman]

I heard someone say the other day that 6mg was the dose at which maximal hyperplasia occurs and that beyond that is diminishing returns, thus the use of that dose for HIV patients.

 

[songsofpyramids]

I heard someone say the other day that 6mg was the dose at which maximal hyperplasia occurs and that beyond that is diminishing returns, thus the use of that dose for HIV patients.

I have heard this myself. Makes sense on the face of it.

 

[kapibara]

I would like to know what this means in the test? Thanks

 

[DugPrime]

HGH Anything you wish you knew before you got started?​

Yep. The fact that you can achieve much higher and more consistent levels of GH/IGF-1 with MK-677, a drug that doesn’t even cost 20% of what HGH costs.

 

[Jared2779]

HGH Anything you wish you knew before you got started?​

Yep. The fact that you can achieve much higher and more consistent levels of GH/IGF-1 with MK-677, a drug that doesn’t even cost 20% of what HGH costs.

Please don’t think I’m disagreeing or anything. But where do you get that information

 

[DugPrime]

Please don’t think I’m disagreeing or anything. But where do you get that information

The rise and fall of the chronic fatigue syndrome as defined by Holmes et al - PubMed

This paper is a sequel to my monograph on neurocirculatory asthenia and chronic fatigue syndrome. It pays special attention to the nature of chronic fatigue syndrome, to the forms of neurocirculatory asthenia, and above all to the 6th form in which profound fatigue is the dominant symptom. All...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Genetic instabilities in (CTG.CAG) repeats occur by recombination - PubMed

The expansion of triplet repeat sequences (TRS) associated with hereditary neurological diseases is believed from prior studies to be due to DNA replication. This report demonstrates that the expansion of (CTG.CAG)(n) in vivo also occurs by homologous recombination as shown by biochemical and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

You can compare both: HGH produces a much higher spike, but its half-life is only 2-3 hours, whereas MK-677 has a half-life of around 24 hours. Additionally, comparing 20 mg of MK-677 to 4 IU of HGH shows a significant difference in price.

So, would you prefer a smaller spike, but still a significant increase (over 60-100% for both GH and IGF-1) lasting for 24 hours, or a larger spike of 100-200% but only lasting 2-3 hours? It's up to you.

 

[OldLifter2004]

The rise and fall of the chronic fatigue syndrome as defined by Holmes et al - PubMed

This paper is a sequel to my monograph on neurocirculatory asthenia and chronic fatigue syndrome. It pays special attention to the nature of chronic fatigue syndrome, to the forms of neurocirculatory asthenia, and above all to the 6th form in which profound fatigue is the dominant symptom. All...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Genetic instabilities in (CTG.CAG) repeats occur by recombination - PubMed

The expansion of triplet repeat sequences (TRS) associated with hereditary neurological diseases is believed from prior studies to be due to DNA replication. This report demonstrates that the expansion of (CTG.CAG)(n) in vivo also occurs by homologous recombination as shown by biochemical and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

You can compare both: HGH produces a much higher spike, but its half-life is only 2-3 hours, whereas MK-677 has a half-life of around 24 hours. Additionally, comparing 20 mg of MK-677 to 4 IU of HGH shows a significant difference in price.

So, would you prefer a smaller spike, but still a significant increase (over 60-100% for both GH and IGF-1) lasting for 24 hours, or a larger spike of 100-200% but only lasting 2-3 hours? It's up to you.

At first, I’d want to compare the total increase in GH/IGF-1 over 24 hrs by calculating the area under the respective curves then pick the one which produces more total GH/IGF-1

On the other hand, the body produces spikes naturally so in theory it would make sense to use something which replicates natural spikes, albeit larger spikes.

Also, supposedly MK677 has a higher potential to reduce insulin sensitivity than synthetic HGH does.

 

[bighunanballs]

I heard someone say the other day that 6mg was the dose at which maximal hyperplasia occurs and that beyond that is diminishing returns, thus the use of that dose for HIV patients.

I think Kurt Havens just makes this shit up as he goes and pawns it off as medical science. Remember his comments on turinabol... Tens of thousands died during the T-bolshevic revolution of the East German Olympic doping scandal due to tbols downright unprecedented liver toxicity lol

 

[MyNameIsJeff]

I think Kurt Havens just makes this shit up as he goes and pawns it off as medical science. Remember his comments on turinabol... Tens of thousands died during the T-bolshevic revolution of the East German Olympic doping scandal due to tbols downright unprecedented liver toxicity lol

I watched a couple of podcasts with him and the guy immediately struck me as a poser who just says things in an attempt to sound smart. His whole behavior reeks of massive insecurity and need for approval. Like giving himself the fake 'PHDc' title, lmao.

 

[Jared2779]

I watched a couple of podcasts with him and the guy immediately struck me as a poser who just says things in an attempt to sound smart. His whole behavior reeks of massive insecurity and need for approval. Like giving himself the fake 'PHDc' title, lmao.

Just for reference I have never done hgh and was interested in it. But want to learn more. How long of a cycle how much a day. I have seen advice in here all over the place. In reference I’m on trt cruise and blast 250 twice a week for 8-10 weeks every few months. But wanting to get that little extra boost

 

[RekTest]

Just for reference I have never done hgh and was interested in it. But want to learn more. How long of a cycle how much a day. I have seen advice in here all over the place. In reference I’m on trt cruise and blast 250 twice a week for 8-10 weeks every few months. But wanting to get that little extra boost

You dont cycle HGH, you run it as long as your pockets allow.

 

[Jared2779]

You dont cycle HGH, you run it as long as your pockets allow.

Do you have to stay on it to maintain what it does??

 

[songsofpyramids]

The rise and fall of the chronic fatigue syndrome as defined by Holmes et al - PubMed

This paper is a sequel to my monograph on neurocirculatory asthenia and chronic fatigue syndrome. It pays special attention to the nature of chronic fatigue syndrome, to the forms of neurocirculatory asthenia, and above all to the 6th form in which profound fatigue is the dominant symptom. All...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Genetic instabilities in (CTG.CAG) repeats occur by recombination - PubMed

The expansion of triplet repeat sequences (TRS) associated with hereditary neurological diseases is believed from prior studies to be due to DNA replication. This report demonstrates that the expansion of (CTG.CAG)(n) in vivo also occurs by homologous recombination as shown by biochemical and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

You can compare both: HGH produces a much higher spike, but its half-life is only 2-3 hours, whereas MK-677 has a half-life of around 24 hours. Additionally, comparing 20 mg of MK-677 to 4 IU of HGH shows a significant difference in price.

So, would you prefer a smaller spike, but still a significant increase (over 60-100% for both GH and IGF-1) lasting for 24 hours, or a larger spike of 100-200% but only lasting 2-3 hours? It's up to you.

Just for others in the future reading this thread: this is over-simplified and stupid. Mk677 is just a plain shitty drug.

If you want to take a drug as dirty as mk677 by all means be my guest, but don’t be dumb enough to compare it to hgh. PTSD physical impact in a pill is not comparable to exogenous hgh in the slightest. Stop getting your drug information from YouTube, you’re going to end up hurting yourself.

 

[bjjgear]

I think Kurt Havens just makes this shit up as he goes and pawns it off as medical science. Remember his comments on turinabol... Tens of thousands died during the T-bolshevic revolution of the East German Olympic doping scandal due to tbols downright unprecedented liver toxicity lol

Then pivots to talking about his latest Anadrol cycle.

But the 18 IU thing is probably as good as any other theory.

 

[egruberman]

I think Kurt Havens just makes this shit up as he goes and pawns it off as medical science. Remember his comments on turinabol... Tens of thousands died during the T-bolshevic revolution of the East German Olympic doping scandal due to tbols downright unprecedented liver toxicity lol

I don’t remember his comments on turinabol, but the comment itself does merit a review of the literature which I intend to do at some point.

If the statement is true, it should be straightforward to find some research to that effect.

 

[DugPrime]

Just for others in the future reading this thread: this is over-simplified and stupid. Mk677 is just a plain shitty drug.

If you want to take a drug as dirty as mk677 by all means be my guest, but don’t be dumb enough to compare it to hgh. PTSD physical impact in a pill is not comparable to exogenous hgh in the slightest. Stop getting your drug information from YouTube, you’re going to end up hurting yourself.

You don't know what you're talking about so shut your ass.