HGH for joint pain/injuries

[99people99]

I have been having chronic injuries for a while now that caused me to cut my cycle short and I plan to stop training all together for a few weeks. I have a partially torn bicep (from water skiing) and really bad tendonitis on both knees and one elbow.

I am taking 4 iu hgh single bolus at night. Is hgh helping these injuries or making them worse? I have read both sides: some say hgh causes joint pain, some say it helps joint pain/injuries tremendously.

 

[SeeMac4]

Are you doing any rehab for the tendinopathy? HGH can help, but proper rehab should be step 1 before drugs.

 

[BigTomJ]

Gh is not hurting your recovery or making injuries worse.

 

[99people99]

Gh is not hurting your recovery or making injuries worse.

Thanks, lowkey what I wanted to hear lol, love this stuff

Are you doing any rehab for the tendinopathy? HGH can help, but proper rehab should be step 1 before drugs.

No but I am actually scheduling mri and looking into rehab now. Also going to take a 2+ week break completely from lifting. I keep end up lifting again after a week break because I love it so much but it just reignites the injuries further.

 

[99people99]

@Type-IIx do you find that hgh can be the cause of joint pain/tendonitis?

 

[SeeMac4]

Thanks, lowkey what I wanted to hear lol, love this stuff

No but I am actually scheduling mri and looking into rehab now. Also going to take a 2+ week break completely from lifting. I keep end up lifting again after a week break because I love it so much but it just reignites the injuries further.

Not lifting won't heal tendinopathy, and an MRI won't show anything useful. Tendons need load (preferably slow tempo stuff, google "Heavy Slow Resistance" and you'll find studies showing good protocols).

With good rehab, you can get rid of tendinopathy in 6 weeks. Throwing rest at it then coming back full force with loads of drugs in your system can make it last years without relief.

 

[99people99]

Not lifting won't heal tendinopathy, and an MRI won't show anything useful. Tendons need load (preferably slow tempo stuff, google "Heavy Slow Resistance" and you'll find studies showing good protocols).

With good rehab, you can get rid of tendinopathy in 6 weeks. Throwing rest at it then coming back full force with loads of drugs in your system can make it last years without relief.

Okay will look into those protocols you recommended.

 

[Benf15harp]

hgh can cause all sorts of problems.
I’d trying lowering the dose to 2ius and see if you feel better after a few days.

 

[laclark89]

@Type-IIx do you find that hgh can be the cause of joint pain/tendonitis?

In my little expirence and reading the only real long term problem from gh could be bone growth that possibly impinges a nerve thats already tight, I have these problems however my spine specialist told me straight up peptides and gh is not fully proven but it's worth a shot, and he would try it.

Gh is not hurting your recovery or making injuries worse.

What do you think about doses for a legit generic gh or gh to aas ratio?

My max blasts are only around 1gram aas and mabe 4iu gh, 1-2 iu per 250 anabolics?

 

[BigTomJ]

What do you think about doses for a legit generic gh or gh to aas ratio?

as with everything, depends on the goal and i dont think i would link GH to AAS in some kind of ratio.

I think you dose both to your goal, based on whats tolerable for you.


I get no sides from 6iu on my current blast, if finances were no object and my insulin response remained healthy, i would stay at that dose for as long as it didnt cause any issues, blast or cruise.

now if im being more realistic, i think for generic blast and cruise, to best avoid issues, i would just drop to 2-3iu on a cruise/health phase or take a break entirely and for blasts just go to whatever dose is tolerable and affordable.

 

[Type-IIx]

@Type-IIx do you find that hgh can be the cause of joint pain/tendonitis?

Yes. GH excess causes tendinopathy, osteoarthritis, bony overgrowth, edema, etc.

You can’t just blast any of these drugs, hormones, growth factors, stupidly, and not expect significant functional decrements over the life course as a result.

It’s not all benefit, there are tradeoffs inherent to every intervention in life!

 

[Type-IIx]

Gh is not hurting your recovery or making injuries worse.

Sure can

 

[hghlover]

This is such a debated topic. Personally I'm of the belief that moderate doses (in the range of 4 iu) can definitely assist a strenghtening injury rehab program. You definitely don't want to overdo it. Recent studies indicate too high doses can lead to the formation of scar tissue during the healing process, drawing conclusions towards a "goldilock zone" where HGH assists in healing without further causing havoc.

One of the issues was excess collagen production leading to scar tissue, but the research pointed towards multiple ways of scar tissue forming from excess HGH, not just collagen. Take away point? Don't go crazy with 8-10 iu during injury rehab.

 

[hghlover]

Mark Cubain funded a study with injured athletes a few year ago. Iirc they did 4 iu HGH split twice daily am pm and concluded a significant reduction in recovery time.

For me, personally, where HGH seems to have shined, is in its ability to allow much greater weight load during injury rehab resistance training, without risking setbacks/flareups. Almost like a bulletproof vest. Granted, you still have to slowly increase the load, but there's less risk of setbacks.

 

[BigTomJ]

Sure can

I was speaking strictly in the context of worsening his bicep tear or his tendonitis (depending on the cause of the tendonitis)

I should have been more explicit

 

[SeeMac4]

Okay will look into those protocols you recommended.

I'll save you some reading if you want.

If your elbow issues are golfer's elbow, follow this guide to a T. Basically reverse it if you have tennis elbow (reverse wrist curl instead of wrist curl, reverse the pronation exercise etc). Has fixed me (from pain lifting a wok/pan to +185 weighted chin up) in 8ish weeks multiple times: ASK DR J – ISSUE 223 – DODGY ELBOWS REVISITED – Dr Julian Saunders

If you have patella tendinopathy, lucky for you as it is probably the easiest tendinopathy to treat. Slow full ROM squat/leg press/split squat (3 seconds down, 3 seconds up) 3x per week. Add weight and decrease reps each session (start with like 3 x 15). It will hurt like hell the first set, and get better each set. As long as any additional pain from the session dissipates before the next session you're fine. Once again, 6-8 weeks here and you'll be good to go.

If you have quad tendinopathy, it is a bit harder because irritated tendons have more blood vessels, and they get thicker. The quad tendon when irritated actually rubs against the patella (called compressive tendinopathy), making ROM trickier. I've had the best success with progressive ROM stuff here, with pin squats being my preferred tool. Start with like a 6 inch ROM if possible or larger if it doesn't hurt, and increase the ROM each session. 3x a week again. You need to go a bit heavier here from the start because the goal is increasing ROM over weight.

Also do some calf stuff.

 

[hghlover]

I'll save you some reading if you want.

If your elbow issues are golfer's elbow, follow this guide to a T. Basically reverse it if you have tennis elbow (reverse wrist curl instead of wrist curl, reverse the pronation exercise etc). Has fixed me (from pain lifting a wok/pan to +185 weighted chin up) in 8ish weeks multiple times: ASK DR J – ISSUE 223 – DODGY ELBOWS REVISITED – Dr Julian Saunders

If you have patella tendinopathy, lucky for you as it is probably the easiest tendinopathy to treat. Slow full ROM squat/leg press/split squat (3 seconds down, 3 seconds up) 3x per week. Add weight and decrease reps each session (start with like 3 x 15). It will hurt like hell the first set, and get better each set. As long as any additional pain from the session dissipates before the next session you're fine. Once again, 6-8 weeks here and you'll be good to go.

If you have quad tendinopathy, it is a bit harder because irritated tendons have more blood vessels, and they get thicker. The quad tendon when irritated actually rubs against the patella (called compressive tendinopathy), making ROM trickier. I've had the best success with progressive ROM stuff here, with pin squats being my preferred tool. Start with like a 6 inch ROM if possible or larger if it doesn't hurt, and increase the ROM each session. 3x a week again. You need to go a bit heavier here from the start because the goal is increasing ROM over weight.

Also do some calf stuff.

I just want to echo and expand on this. You can do all the hormones and peptides in the world, you will get NOWHERE without a rehab strenghtening protocol.

 

[SeeMac4]

I just want to echo and expand on this. You can do all the hormones and peptides in the world, you will get NOWHERE without a rehab strenghtening protocol.

This is the thing everyone on these boards get wrong. Everyone here knows pro athletes are taking everything under the sun when they get hurt. They don't know that they're spending 3 hours per day doing rehab.

An old buddy of mine played a few years in the NBA. He would visit home usually during the offseason, and come to my place to train sometimes. Every season he would come back with patellar tendinopathy, as do most players in his sport. He would do a bunch of hip/calf/knee isometrics in the morning and night, and slow strength training at least once during the day. He would be 100% in like 5 or 6 weeks. He was probably also injecting some stuff, but that was responsible for maybe 5% of the progress compared to the rehab approach.

 

[MindlessWork]

Been running 2iu of gh ED for past month to help with healing Achilles tear and so far it's been a help.

 

[HeatherSwanson]

I have been having chronic injuries for a while now that caused me to cut my cycle short and I plan to stop training all together for a few weeks. I have a partially torn bicep (from water skiing) and really bad tendonitis on both knees and one elbow.

I am taking 4 iu hgh single bolus at night. Is hgh helping these injuries or making them worse? I have read both sides: some say hgh causes joint pain, some say it helps joint pain/injuries tremendously.

I found tb500 and bpc157 to have almost completely healed my elbows and shoulders. Way better than GH IMO.