HGH sleep issues

[400degrees]

About a month in on ugl GH, 4iu every night before bed, 2hrs after dinner. First couple weeks it knocked me out all night. Past couple weeks I've been wide awake at 3am every night. Almost feels like a cortisol spike. Wondering if I should ride it out, switch to am, or if anyone has had the same experience or knows the possible science behind this regarding the gh interactions with prolactin, progesterone or adrenals.

 

[Jin23]

You are correct, its from some bs app i have been using , its not effective at all! as i'm now using my apple watch and the difference is alarming,, nowhere near what i thought,

Don't be too alarmed. We don't get all that much SWS when we age. Like an hour a night, some less, some a bit more ... Look up some statistics ...

 

[Jin23]

Deep sleep is always fine for me on GH. It's REM sleep that is hit hard. I tried AM dosing, which is definitely better for sleep, but my REM sleep duration is still below what it used to be. This could lead to somewhat impaired memory formation.

Interesting as GH is REM promoting; density and duration. If you don't remember dreaming that much, it usually means you weren't waking up near REM episodes and not that you didn't experience REM. Also, smart watches are pretty bad ad detecting REM stages as they are hard to properly measure, you need an EEG for that.

Why do you think your REM has gone down?

 

[MyNameIsJeff]

Interesting as GH is REM promoting; density and duration. If you don't remember dreaming that much, it usually means you weren't waking up near REM episodes and not that you didn't experience REM. Also, smart watches are pretty bad ad detecting REM stages as they are hard to properly measure, you need an EEG for that.

Why do you think your REM has gone down?

I was basing it on the sleep report of my smartwatch. But I did notice the watch showing more 'awake' periods during the night that otherwise would be typical REM sleep. I do not recall waking up at those moments, so perhaps on GH, the smartwatch is confusing (violent) REM sleep with being awake

 

[Jin23]

so perhaps on GH, the smartwatch is confusing (violent) REM sleep with being awake

Yes! The reason why smartwatches struggle to properly measure rem is largely because of the physiological similarities between REM sleep and wakefulness.

 

[Avies48]

Interesting as GH is REM promoting; density and duration. If you don't remember dreaming that much, it usually means you weren't waking up near REM episodes and not that you didn't experience REM. Also, smart watches are pretty bad ad detecting REM stages as they are hard to properly measure, you need an EEG for that.

Why do you think your REM has gone down?

Thats good to hear because i dont dream much anymore… and wake up angry a lot…

 

[Black Beard]

Do you remember the source of the generic GH that caused you the sleep issues?

All brands ive tried; unlabeled generics, Opti greys/blacks, TP mauves/blacks, QSC .


Sleep quality is good or better than baseline with morning GH or GH no later than 6 PM. Consistently, Dose and brand doesnt affect it.


Hope that helps

 

[songsofpyramids]

All brands ive tried

Pharma didn’t make a difference from generic for sleep for me either. I was very hopeful for that one but no dice.

 

[DStevens]

I split doses AM an hour before fasted cardio and then before bed, sleep much better with it when I split vs before bed only and that's with all various dosing between bulk/cut/cruise.

 

[Lord Commander]

Pharma didn’t make a difference from generic for sleep for me either. I was very hopeful for that one but no dice.

Yes it very much seems like there are some possible genetic reasons for this. I feel very much energized on GH and can't stand doses before bed. AM, afternoon and maybe 5pm or 6pm injections at the latest.

 

[hungryalways]

Anyone with sleep issues on HGH tried any frags or other HGH-stimulating peptides with any success? AOD-9604, Tesamorelin, MK-677, GHRP-2, GHRP-6, etc.

 

[Black Beard]

Anyone with sleep issues on HGH tried any frags or other HGH-stimulating peptides with any success? AOD-9604, Tesamorelin, MK-677, GHRP-2, GHRP-6, etc.

Have you tried AM only or three times per week?


I found that taking it no later than 5-6 PM resolves any sleep issues.


So for me, AM only or split twice daily with no later than 5-6 PM works for great sleep

 

[Ateam2023]

Have you tried AM only or three times per week?


I found that taking it no later than 5-6 PM resolves any sleep issues.


So for me, AM only or split twice daily with no later than 5-6 PM works for great sleep

ive moved my injections to morning post workout,,

 

[MaxLord]

I could never sleep on omnitrope, always took it at am fasted

 

[hungryalways]

Have you tried AM only or three times per week?


I found that taking it no later than 5-6 PM resolves any sleep issues.


So for me, AM only or split twice daily with no later than 5-6 PM works for great sleep

Morning EOD is the most tolerable for me, but it still significantly disrupts sleep quality, unfortunately.

I've reached the point where I'm unwilling to put up with it as the sleep issues affect my mood (far more than anything steroid), so I've removed it from my protocol.

 

[Jin23]

Morning EOD is the most tolerable for me, but it still significantly disrupts sleep quality, unfortunately.

I've reached the point where I'm unwilling to put up with it as the sleep issues affect my mood (far more than anything steroid), so I've removed it from my protocol.

How does it effect your sleep? More awakenings during rem sleep? Less sleep overall? Harder to fall asleep? ... etc

 

[hungryalways]

How does it effect your sleep? More awakenings during rem sleep? Less sleep overall? Harder to fall asleep? ... etc

I can fall asleep fine at the start, but then, yes, frequent awakings from which it's very difficult to fall back to sleep. Also less sleep overall as I normally give up after one of the early morning awakenings. Then I'm often grouchy later in the day, so it doesn't feel like I simply need less sleep.

A benzo will help significantly but that's not something I'm keen to do more than once a week max.

 

[Black Beard]

I can fall asleep fine at the start, but then, yes, frequent awakings from which it's very difficult to fall back to sleep. Also less sleep overall as I normally give up after one of the early morning awakenings. Then I'm often grouchy later in the day, so it doesn't feel like I simply need less sleep.

A benzo will help significantly but that's not something I'm keen to do more than once a week max.

What dosages are you running? Are you running any thyroid hormones? Low carb or keto type diets?

 

[KOArtist]

My sleep was shit before and still is shit on gh, gawdamnit, my nights go just like yours basically

 

[juicebro]

A benzo will help significantly but that's not something I'm keen to do more than once a week max.

I've found GABA pills to help a little. You need to take a lot though. Like a few grams. Xanax is saved for special occasions when I have true insomnia.

 

[hungryalways]

What dosages are you running? Are you running any thyroid hormones? Low carb or keto type diets?

Sleep is messed up on as little as 1IU/day and awful on 2IU. No low carb.