High aromatizer cycle design help

[CoachTnasty]

I seem to get gyno flare ups from 200mg test cyp or above. Sometimes even on my trt 150mg dose if I miss an injection (I usually pin 3x a week).

I’d like to run a cycle and stay away from ai’s as much as possible since they seem to really mess up my lipid profile and make me feel like shit.

I’m thinking of trying a 1-2 ratio of test to primo starting at 200/100mg a week and then titrating from there. Getting trt bloods done first this week before I even look into getting any primo.


Any advice from you high aromatizer’s out there on cycle design to avoid gyno while also minimizing or eliminating ai usage?


My cycle history is basically 3 low-moderate dose test/eq or test/deca cycles over 12 years ago, coming off and then finding out I was hypogonadal 3 years ago and starting trt.

 

[Aquaman]

I aromatise at a fairly high amount. My next blast is test and DHB. Or you could try test and high mast. Anything that is a dht would be ok. Keep your test around 250 and add in a DHT.

 

[CoachTnasty]

I aromatise at a fairly high amount. My next blast is test and DHB. Or you could try test and high mast. Anything that is a dht would be ok. Keep your test around 250 and add in a DHT.

Appreciate that man. I'm not really familiar with DHB so I'll have to do some research. Any thoughts on a primo (for the dht) and eq (for the effect on e2) combo?

 

[glycomann]

Primo works to reduce estogen just enough for me at 200 mg test to 100-150 mg Primo a week. It doesn't work for everyone. some see masteron working better but Primo seems to work for more people.

 

[buzzingonaas]

Honestly I would recommend test and mast. Starting at 150 test with 300 mast and see how you do, escalating the mast from there. I know multiple high aromatizers that run trt plus high doses (1-2g) of masteron on top and feel fine with e2 in range on bloods

 

[CoachTnasty]

Honestly I would recommend test and mast. Starting at 150 test with 300 mast and see how you do, escalating the mast from there. I know multiple high aromatizers that run trt plus high doses (1-2g) of masteron on top and feel fine with e2 in range on bloods

Wow, interesting. I’ve never run mast but I would imagine at those doses I would find out how I respond to it. Nothing seems to bother my hair so maybe that’s a good option for me.

 

[CoachTnasty]

Primo works to reduce estogen just enough for me at 200 mg test to 100-150 mg Primo a week. It doesn't work for everyone. some see masteron working better but Primo seems to work for more people.

Appreciate the input man. I think it maybe time for me to try these different combo’s. What are thoughts on running primo for 8-10 weeks titrating up and then trying mast just the same to see how I respond to each?

 

[buzzingonaas]

Appreciate the input man. I think it maybe time for me to try these different combo’s. What are thoughts on running primo for 8-10 weeks titrating up and then trying mast just the same to see how I respond to each?

Ik this question wasn’t directed at me, but personally if one works for you and you can grow and have no issues on it, I wouldn’t see a need to switch. I use primo but I am not a high aromatizer like you. I do think either can work for you, but you will likely need to keep your testosterone lower on primo than with masteron.

 

[phenominal34]

Honestly I would recommend test and mast. Starting at 150 test with 300 mast and see how you do, escalating the mast from there. I know multiple high aromatizers that run trt plus high doses (1-2g) of masteron on top and feel fine with e2 in range on bloods

Wtf !!! Trt doses of test with 2 grams of mast ?? Why ?????

 

[buzzingonaas]

Wtf !!! Trt doses of test with 2 grams of mast ?? Why ?????

Very high aromatizer who has an issue with more than 200-250 test. I was surprised too, since if i take more than 1.5:1 Primo:Test I feel horrible, let alone mast lol but just goes to show how different everyone is.

 

[Type-IIx]

Wtf !!! Trt doses of test with 2 grams of mast ?? Why ?????

Fear (never rational) of AIs is what leads people to this.

 

[JeffroCat]

Have you tried a testosterone preparation in castor oil? That way you don't have to mess with other compounds.

 

[CoachTnasty]

Fear (never rational) of AIs is what leads people to this.

I wonder about that. Personally in the past I’ve felt like I had symptoms of a blood clot from 2mg a week of exemestane. It also seems to impact my breathing. I’m around 13-15% bf year around.

 

[CoachTnasty]

Have you tried a testosterone preparation in castor oil? That way you don't have to mess with other compounds.

Why would that negate the need for other compounds?

 

[buzzingonaas]

Fear (never rational) of AIs is what leads people to this.

Why would someone use an AI if there’s no reason to and they can just achieve their total mg with only extremely well tolerated injectables

 

[CoachTnasty]

Why would someone use an AI if there’s no reason to and they can just achieve their total mg with only extremely well tolerated injectables

Right, and from what I’ve researched, there’s no therapeutic benefit from taking AI’s. They just lower estrogen with the potential of messing with your lipids. I think I also read a study that researched how they shorten telomere length and thus could potentially have an impact on lifespan. I know being super physiological does as well but I’d like to reduce potential for harm as much as possible.

 

[Type-IIx]

I wonder about that. Personally in the past I’ve felt like I had symptoms of a blood clot from 2mg a week of exemestane. It also seems to impact my breathing. I’m around 13-15% bf year around.

How does one "feel like they have symptoms of a blood clot?" Did that self-diagnosis come along with, er, an actual diagnosis of a blood clot?

Exemestane doesn't affect respiration. I daresay this was all fear.

Why would someone use an AI if there’s no reason to and they can just achieve their total mg with only extremely well tolerated injectables

Er, only being able to run TRT and having to rely on 2 g of Masteron to get any growth on a cycle is a reason to just use a damn AI. Opens up a world of possibilities, like, being able to use supra-physiologic testosterone that synergizes with all of these nonaromatizables.

There are perfectly good cycles that forego testosterone altogether, many of them were used during the Golden Era.

 

[Type-IIx]

Right, and from what I’ve researched, there’s no therapeutic benefit from taking AI’s. They just lower estrogen with the potential of messing with your lipids. I think I also read a study that researched how they shorten telomere length and thus could potentially have an impact on lifespan. I know being super physiological does as well but I’d like to reduce potential for harm as much as possible.

Tell that to all of the breast cancer patients using AIs, no therapeutic benefit.

AAS fuck with lipids more than a low dose of an AI that typifies use in men. AIs lowering estradiol is kinda the point. Telomere length, lol, bro how bout cardiovascular and blood clotting, thrombotic risks from AAS & chronically high estradiol, not to mention high IGF-I, and effects on lifespan?

You sound like the guy that runs trenbolone year round but doesn't want to take an H₂R antagonist like Pepcid because of a misplaced belief that drugz r bad (but injectable cattle anabolics mixed up in some cartel bathtub is cool), despite the androgen-induced effects on gastric mucosa being ulcerogenic, such that foregoing the medication will eventually lead to GERD and ulcers.

 

[buzzingonaas]

Er, only being able to run TRT and having to rely on 2 g of Masteron to get any growth on a cycle is a reason to just use a damn AI. Opens up a world of possibilities, like, being able to use supra-physiologic testosterone that synergizes with all of these nonaromatizables.

There are perfectly good cycles that forego testosterone altogether, many of them were used during the Golden Era.

“Having to rely on 2g of masteron to get any growth on a cycle”, as opposed to what? having to rely on 2g of npp? having to rely on 2g of test? having to rely on 2g of primo? So your issue is with compound selection? What is the basis of your fear here?

 

[CoachTnasty]

How does one "feel like they have symptoms of a blood clot?" Did that self-diagnosis come along with, er, an actual diagnosis of a blood clot?

Exemestane doesn't affect respiration. I daresay this was all fear.


Er, only being able to run TRT and having to rely on 2 g of Masteron to get any growth on a cycle is a reason to just use a damn AI. Opens up a world of possibilities, like, being able to use supra-physiologic testosterone that synergizes with all of these nonaromatizables.

There are perfectly good cycles that forego testosterone altogether, many of them were used during the Golden Era.

Wow, lots of assumption about me being made here. I flew to Central America several months ago after taking an ai and when I got off the plane I noticed a pain in my ankle vein that also turned into a bruise, so yea I would say that was a justified fear.

Lowered my trt dose after that from 200mg to 150mg, started taking calcium glutamate, aspirin and cialis daily and the feeling along with the bruising went away. I also started breathing better once off the AI’s. That’s all my own and tidal evidence which is something I’ll never discredit in someone else.