High aromatizer cycle design help

[JeffroCat]

I know multiple high aromatizers that run trt plus high doses (1-2g) of masteron on top and feel fine with e2 in range on bloods

Just to clarify. Are you saying these people use up to 2 grams of Masteron to keep their e2 in range? Or are they using some % of that 2 grams to control e2 and the rest is for some other purpose?

 

[CoachTnasty]

Tell that to all of the breast cancer patients using AIs, no therapeutic benefit.

AAS fuck with lipids more than a low dose of an AI that typifies use in men. AIs lowering estradiol is kinda the point. Telomere length, lol, bro how bout cardiovascular and blood clotting, thrombotic risks from AAS & chronically high estradiol, not to mention high IGF-I, and effects on lifespan?

You sound like the guy that runs trenbolone year round but doesn't want to take an H₂R antagonist like Pepcid because of a misplaced belief that drugz r bad (but injectable cattle anabolics mixed up in some cartel bathtub is cool), despite the androgen-induced effects on gastric mucosa being ulcerogenic, such that foregoing the medication will eventually lead to GERD and ulcers.

As soon as you start a sentence with “you sound like the guy…” chances are no one is gonna listen. Also, I think you missed the mark on trying to label me hear.

As I said before, I’m aware of the risks of going superphysiological which is why I want to mitigate harm as much as possible by using moderate doses, titrating up and taking regular bloods, and avoiding AI’s. Literally the whole basis of my original question.

 

[CoachTnasty]

My goal moving forward is to initially start with 200mg test/ 150mg primo. My next cycle I’ll do the same but try mast to see how I respond. Then titrate up both and see how high I can get my test by playing with the ratio. Maybe I need higher primo, maybe I can keep it around 1:1. I’ll get bloods around 5-8 weeks in and make sure to document here. I’ll also be using telmasartin and continue using daily niacin. I’m considering proviron as well but don’t have any experience with it so any advice is welcome.

 

[buzzingonaas]

Just to clarify. Are you saying these people use up to 2 grams of Masteron to keep their e2 in range? Or are they using some % of that 2 grams to control e2 and the rest is for some other purpose?

No, 2grams as that’s where they want to be for growth purposes (with a very well-tolerated drug with a better safety profile) with the added benefit of no extra AIs needed.

 

[buzzingonaas]

. Maybe I need higher primo, maybe I can keep it around 1:1.

As my body fat creeps up, I’ve noticed 1:1 no longer works for me and I like to keep my primo a little higher, at a dose that at a lower bf% used to feel terrible. Starting low on everything is a good idea. I don’t think you’ll have low estrogen on this, so you’ll only be able to titrate primo up from here. Good idea starting low and slow

 

[Type-IIx]

Wow, lots of assumption about me being made here. I flew to Central America several months ago after taking an ai and when I got off the plane I noticed a pain in my ankle vein that also turned into a bruise, so yea I would say that was a justified fear.

Lowered my trt dose after that from 200mg to 150mg, started taking calcium glutamate, aspirin and cialis daily and the feeling along with the bruising went away. I also started breathing better once off the AI’s. That’s all my own and tidal evidence which is something I’ll never discredit in someone else.

So you either had it treated, in which case you'd say a diagnosed blood clot, which you did not; or you left a suspected blood clot untreated while in Central America, responded instead by making stupid changes rather than rushing to the nearest capital city for actual treatment, and are lucky to not have suffered pulmonary embolism or stroke in a manner that can only be described as reckless, dumb, and cavalier.

Since it has to be the latter case, I think that persuading you to see the benefits of AIs is no longer an interest of mine given its futility.

 

[Justaguy99]

Reading these reddit morons argue with type ii is incredible.

Bro science pinecone iq vs actual logic and research.

The second reddit came here the board went to shit.

2grams Mast cause an AI is bad is almost the dumbest shot I've seen here.

Front loading 2grams of Tren is dumber of course.

Just pass by these tool type ii.

 

[Justaguy99]

So you either had it treated, in which case you'd say a diagnosed blood clot, which you did not; or you left a suspected blood clot untreated while in Central America, responded instead by making stupid changes rather than rushing to the nearest capital city for actual treatment, and are lucky to not have suffered pulmonary embolism or stroke in a manner that can only be described as reckless, dumb, and cavalier.

Since it has to be the latter case, I think that persuading you to see the benefits of AIs is no longer an interest of mine given its futility.

It's like telling a trumpet he's guilty.
They don't want to know.

 

[buzzingonaas]

Reading these reddit morons argue with type ii is incredible.

Bro science pinecone iq vs actual logic and research.

The second reddit came here the board went to shit.

2grams Mast cause an AI is bad is almost the dumbest shot I've seen here.

Front loading 2grams of Tren is dumber of course.

Just pass by these tool type ii.

when did I say an AI is bad? not once. If you want to take 2 grams of tren and eat arimidex like it’s candy be my guest. Some people prefer keeping their markers in perfect range and growing the same as someone destroying their bodies with different compounds

 

[jJjburton]

Reading these reddit morons argue with type ii is incredible.

Bro science pinecone iq vs actual logic and research.

The second reddit came here the board went to shit.

2grams Mast cause an AI is bad is almost the dumbest shot I've seen here.

Front loading 2grams of Tren is dumber of course.

Just pass by these tool type ii.

I had a feeling this was the case, is that whats going on, people from other forums coming here lol. They really must not know who they are arguing with at all….

 

[buzzingonaas]

I had a feeling this was the case, is that whats going on, people from other forums coming here lol. They really must not know who they are arguing with at all….

i know exactly who type ii is. He’s failed on multiple occasions to give sufficient evidence when I’ve tried talking to him before. All I did was point out an anecdote about an IFBB Pro Olympian with a Masters degree who is a registered dietician, as well as a CSCS on his reasoning for a specific cycle, who was called dumb for his reasoning for not choosing to use an AI in the off season. I’d love to see Type II’s bodybuilding credentials

 

[JeffroCat]

No, 2grams as that’s where they want to be for growth purposes (with a very well-tolerated drug with a better safety profile) with the added benefit of no extra AIs needed.

What type of size are they seeing at 2 grams? Would it be as much as if they were taking, say, 200 to 400mg of nandrolone?

Also, is there a reason not to use 3 or 4 grams of masteron? Like, what would be the upper limit of tolerability seeing as 2 grams is very well tolerated?

 

[buzzingonaas]

What type of size are they seeing at 2 grams? Would it be as much as if they were taking, say, 200 to 400mg of nandrolone?

Also, is there a reason not to use 3 or 4 grams of masteron? Like, what would be the upper limit of tolerability seeing as 2 grams is very well tolerated?

The guys I know of are 1: a 212 Olympian, and 2: an amateur 260lb competitor, the latter just grew 25lb over the past off-season. I’m not sure about upper limit of tolerability, I’m guessing it’s very dependent from person to person. For myself, I do well up to a point with testosterone then have issues with blood pressure, hct, lipids, etc. Adding primo allows me to drive mg total higher with less ill effects. If you tolerate npp/deca well, no reason not to use that to fill in the gaps also. In those specific cases, I think tolerability and safety profile were the reasons for going with masteron over deca/npp

 

[RiceNKimchi]

The guys I know of are 1: a 212 Olympian, and 2: an amateur 260lb competitor, the latter just grew 25lb over the past off-season. I’m not sure about upper limit of tolerability, I’m guessing it’s very dependent from person to person. For myself, I do well up to a point with testosterone then have issues with blood pressure, hct, lipids, etc. Adding primo allows me to drive mg total higher with less ill effects. If you tolerate npp/deca well, no reason not to use that to fill in the gaps also. In those specific cases, I think tolerability and safety profile were the reasons for going with masteron over deca/npp

Asking this sincerely because it's becoming common here. When you say you know these people, is that personally in a irl setting where you talk often or is it from watching their YouTube or following an online log or their posts somewhere?

 

[buzzingonaas]

Asking this sincerely because it's becoming common here. When you say you know these people, is that personally in a irl setting where you talk often or is it from watching their YouTube or following an online log or their posts somewhere?

Good point, I should rephrase. I personally know the amateur competitor, and the olympian I follow his log on his education platform. So yes he could be lying Im sure, but I don’t see a real reason to lie about it.

 

[RiceNKimchi]

Good point, I should rephrase. I personally know the amateur competitor, and the olympian I follow his log on his education platform. So yes he could be lying Im sure, but I don’t see a real reason to lie about it.

I get you, I just get cringy. It seems to be becoming commonplace to back up "facts" with saying I think 5 pros that do xxxx. Not directed specifically toward you.

 

[buzzingonaas]

I get you, I just get cringy. It seems to be becoming commonplace to back up "facts" with saying I think 5 pros that do xxxx. Not directed specifically toward you.

lol agreed. I do think personally there’s nothing wrong with the Victor Black-esque approach (100-400 test, high dht) for people it works for, as there’s a plethora of different cycle design options. I was only pointing out one example that I know I have been TOLD was helpful for my coach who is a high aromatizer like dude’s thread mentioned.

 

[RiceNKimchi]

lol agreed. I do think personally there’s nothing wrong with the Victor Black-esque approach (100-400 test, high dht) for people it works for, as there’s a plethora of different cycle design options. I was only pointing out one example that I know I have been TOLD was helpful for my coach who is a high aromatizer like dude’s thread mentioned.

I'm glad you threw out their name. I don't see a reason not to when their pros and obviously speaking openly. Seems self serving when it's just the other way.

I'll look him up but can't say I totally agree. @Type-IIx is pretty adamant in the use of ais and the bro science, if you will, behind the need to find ways to circumvent their use (if I'm wrong please correct)... which I agree on but even my own experiment was in line with the other thought

 

[buzzingonaas]

I'm glad you threw out their name. I don't see a reason not to when their pros and obviously speaking openly. Seems self serving when it's just the other way.

I'll look him up but can't say I totally agree. @Type-IIx is pretty adamant in the use of ais and the bro science, if you will, behind the need to find ways to circumvent their use (if I'm wrong please correct)... which I agree on but even my own experiment was in line with the other thought

I’m in no way against the use of AIs. I’m just against using them when there’s literally no reason to lol. And sorry, victor black coined that stack design (or at least made it popular). John Jewett is the olympian I was referring to

 

[RiceNKimchi]

I’m in no way against the use of AIs. I’m just against using them when there’s literally no reason to lol.

Maybe it's just the perspective on health referring to this

AAS fuck with lipids more than a low dose of an AI that typifies use in men.

If the sole purpose of using dhts is to drop an ai, the healthier approach is to use the ai.