High aromatizer cycle design help

[buzzingonaas]

Maybe it's just the perspective on health referring to this

If the sole purpose of using dhts is to drop an ai, the healthier approach is to use the ai.

Well, definitely never the sole reason to use a dht compound. id argue you can lower the amount of testosterone and fill in with dht. Now you have your required mg amount to put on size, and are not adding another drug that could potentially impact lipids and not help at all with anabolism. Why use a drug that doesn’t aid anabolism instead of just using another that does? The only reason I would see to use an AI in that case is if you react poorly to DHT derived compounds in which case an AI is a great idea.

and yes, all these drugs can impact lipids or other blood markers, but my point is only some of them aid anabolism. When size is the goal and you can tolerate that compound well, why would you not opt for that?

 

[RiceNKimchi]

Any advice from you high aromatizer’s out there on cycle design to avoid gyno while also minimizing or eliminating ai usage?

His reason was adding other compounds to eliminate an ai. I do agree if there isn't a need,and mast or primo or proviron or another dht is added and in line for your goals, there is no reason for an ai. But if your goals have no reason for the compounds they shouldn't just be added for that fact.

For op I believe you just crashed your estrogen and haven't dialed in an ai yet and now you're scared of using them personally

 

[buzzingonaas]

His reason was adding other compounds to eliminate an ai. I do agree if there isn't a need,and mast or primo or proviron or another dht is added and in line for your goals, there is no reason for an ai. But if your goals have no reason for the compounds they shouldn't just be added for that fact.

For op I believe you just crashed your estrogen and haven't dialed in an ai yet and now you're scared of using them personally

For those reasons I agree. I’d never suggest adding more anabolics than you need. It sounded like OP wanted to run another cycle and was worried about escalating test. In that situation, I’d just add dht onto trt rather than escalate test anyways and add an AI.

 

[RiceNKimchi]

For those reasons I agree. I’d never suggest adding more anabolics than you need. It sounded like OP wanted to run another cycle and was worried about escalating test. In that situation, I’d just add dht onto trt rather than escalate test anyways and add an AI.

We're all on the same page

There are perfectly good cycles that forego testosterone altogether, many of them were used during the Golden Era.

 

[jJjburton]

i know exactly who type ii is. He’s failed on multiple occasions to give sufficient evidence when I’ve tried talking to him before. All I did was point out an anecdote about an IFBB Pro Olympian with a Masters degree who is a registered dietician, as well as a CSCS on his reasoning for a specific cycle, who was called dumb for his reasoning for not choosing to use an AI in the off season. I’d love to see Type II’s bodybuilding credentials

Who is that?

 

[buzzingonaas]

Who is that?

john jewett

 

[buzzingonaas]

Who is that?

but maybe like @RiceNKimchi was saying, he may have only been saying choosing to use a dht-derived compound for the sole purpose of avoiding an ai, rather than a 2-in-1 benefit was dumb. Possibly just a misunderstanding

 

[Type-IIx]

Who is that?

I have no recollection of this exchange whatsoever. @buzzingonaas - care to link to this conversation of ours?

 

[Type-IIx]

I don't doubt I'd call Jewett a fucking retard, despite his credentials that I am not at all in awe of - because mine partly overlap and go beyond his. Plenty of dumb fucks with a CSCS and Master's degree. I just doubt that you're not misrepresenting this and taking it out of context.

 

[buzzingonaas]

I don't doubt I'd call Jewett a fucking retard, despite his credentials that I am not at all in awe of - because mine partly overlap and go beyond his. Plenty of dumb fucks with a CSCS and Master's degree. I just doubt that you're not misrepresenting this and taking it out of context.

Didn’t realize I was speaking to a master class coach

 

[Type-IIx]

Didn’t realize I was speaking to a master class coach

What is the governing body certifying "Master Class Coaches?" I am curious about its basis for authority, that must be outstanding given your apparent awe of this. By the standard of offering a "Master Class," Victor Black must be more knowledgeable than God, is it?

I've never taken Jewett's "Master Class" (fuck, I can't say I've taken any "Master Class" whatever the fuck that means) so I cannot comment on its quality or veracity.

Where did we have this conversation that you refer to? Link?

 

[buzzingonaas]

I have no recollection of this exchange whatsoever. @buzzingonaas - care to link to this conversation of ours?

something about blood pressure where you linked an outdated study with outdated conclusions about what is considered high

What is the governing body certifying "Master Class Coaches?" I am curious about its basis for authority, that must be outstanding given your apparent awe of this. By the standard of offering a "Master Class," Victor Black must be more knowledgeable than God, is it?

I've never taken Jewett's "Master Class" (fuck, I can't say I've taken any "Master Class" whatever the fuck that means) so I cannot comment on its quality or veracity.

Where did we have this conversation that you refer to? Link?

Don’t remember it, you just ignored my question on blood pressure after you sent an outdated study and i mentioned it was outdated and blood pressure guidelines changed since then, don’t even remember. Either way, I’d take advice from a high class coach over someone who thinks “fear of AI” is the only reason to run a high dose of a very well tolerated steroid over some other compound

 

[Type-IIx]

Don’t remember it, you just ignored my question on blood pressure after you sent an outdated study and i mentioned it was outdated and blood pressure guidelines changed since then, don’t even remember. Either way, I’d take advice from a high class coach over someone who thinks “fear of AI” is the only reason to run a high dose of a very well tolerated steroid over some other compound

Yawn, total horseshit.

 

[CoachTnasty]

So you either had it treated, in which case you'd say a diagnosed blood clot, which you did not; or you left a suspected blood clot untreated while in Central America, responded instead by making stupid changes rather than rushing to the nearest capital city for actual treatment, and are lucky to not have suffered pulmonary embolism or stroke in a manner that can only be described as reckless, dumb, and cavalier.

Since it has to be the latter case, I think that persuading you to see the benefits of AIs is no longer an interest of mine given its futility.

His reason was adding other compounds to eliminate an ai. I do agree if there isn't a need,and mast or primo or proviron or another dht is added and in line for your goals, there is no reason for an ai. But if your goals have no reason for the compounds they shouldn't just be added for that fact.

For op I believe you just crashed your estrogen and haven't dialed in an ai yet and now you're scared of using them personally

My goal was simply to do a blast while avoiding gyno and minimizing harm. That’s it. I also no my body, and I know that I feel horrible on AI’s. Always have and that was before I started hearing how they can cause blood clots which I seem to be prone to.

 

[CoachTnasty]

So you either had it treated, in which case you'd say a diagnosed blood clot, which you did not; or you left a suspected blood clot untreated while in Central America, responded instead by making stupid changes rather than rushing to the nearest capital city for actual treatment, and are lucky to not have suffered pulmonary embolism or stroke in a manner that can only be described as reckless, dumb, and cavalier.

Since it has to be the latter case, I think that persuading you to see the benefits of AIs is no longer an interest of mine given its futility.

After taking aspirin and walking and surfing daily after the long plane ride, the symptoms went away in a couple days. Also, I looked up the symptoms for a blood clot and they weren’t at a severe enough stage yet to go and run to the hospital.

Look, I could care less about anyone’s forum credentials on here. There are people who want to offer advice here and those who clearly want to just flex their ego’s which seems pretty pathetic.

Again, lots of assumptions your making about me. Now would you like to actually offer some advice or would you like to keep continuing in this fruitless act of flexing your ego and arguing with strangers online that you know nothing about? If it’s the latter, I suggest you find better things to do with your time.

 

[JeffroCat]

If you are prone to real and imaginary blood clots that you think should be treated with surfing and aspirin, then I think fair advice would be to not take hormones of any kind.

 

[RiceNKimchi]

My goal was simply to do a blast while avoiding gyno and minimizing harm. That’s it. I also no my body, and I know that I feel horrible on AI’s. Always have and that was before I started hearing how they can cause blood clots which I seem to be prone to.

Did you have bloods when last running an ai? Crashing e will make you feel horrible, if that's a possibily that happened before. You may have adverse reactions to it but it is uncommon as is, true, blood clots. Although it all is possible.

Running dhts just for the fact of e and not in line to your goals would be in most situations counter productive to health.

 

[CoachTnasty]

If you are prone to real and imaginary blood clots that you think should be treated with surfing and aspirin, then I think fair advice would be to not take hormones of any kind.

Fair point. Obviously not what I want to hear. I’ve been actively working towards improving my cardiovascular health metrics for my bloods as my hematocrit was on the high normal range and my C-reactive protein was slightly elevated just out of range. Upped my cardio, changed up my diet, started taking baby aspirin and niacin daily for the last 6 months with hopes of improving blood work. I would consider other pharmaceuticals like an arb while blasting. Getting bloods this week to see how things have improved and if I should really even consider any of this.

 

[RiceNKimchi]

Fair point. Obviously not what I want to hear. I’ve been actively working towards improving my cardiovascular health metrics for my bloods as my hematocrit was on the high normal range and my C-reactive protein was slightly elevated just out of range. Upped my cardio, changed up my diet, started taking baby aspirin and niacin daily for the last 6 months with hopes of improving blood work. I would consider other pharmaceuticals like an arb while blasting. Getting bloods this week to see how things have improved and if I should really even consider any of this.

Nattokincase may be a better option if you think it fits your needs

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[CoachTnasty]

No I wish I did but I was in Central America for 6 months. I’m curious with these next labs to see where my e2 is without them.

I get that but would it be worst than running higher testosterone with an ai?

Did you have bloods when last running an ai? Crashing e will make you feel horrible, if that's a possibily that happened before. You may have adverse reactions to it but it is uncommon as is, true, blood clots. Although it all is possible.

Running dhts just for the fact of e and not in line to your goals would be in most situations counter productive to health.