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High e2 on 2.5mg anastrozole per week
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HUGE McBIGLARGE
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Ive had one test done elsewhere and the results were consistent. So its not like the place I usually go are just making the numbers up.
Anastrozole definitely used to work fine for me on the Testogel. I had 2 tests without anastrozole, and 3 with, and anastrozole consistently halved my e2 on 1mg per week.
Maybe aromasin would make a difference. But I don’t see how.
You can’t just not respond to it. Aromasin is completely different than arimidex. It’s a steroid and it’s suicidal. Switch to that and retest
HUGE McBIGLARGE
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I think it’s more likely the subq causing the high e2. Then again, I also thought it was the HCG and I was wrong about that lol.
I’ll try a different AI if it isn’t the subq. Thanks for the help!
HUGE McBIGLARGE
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I’ve done the maths on it. Assuming HCG doesn’t affect my e2 at all, at 210mg test per week and 3.5mg anastrozole per week I am expecting an e2 of 107pmol/L based on my last blood test.
This assumes testosterone and anastrozole linearly affects e2 as a multiplier (double the T means double the e2, and double the anastrozole means half the e2).
If my e2 is around 107 or higher, I will assume either:
-I am not actually going IM with the test
-I am going IM and thus anastrozole doesn’t do shit for me now
-my total T is somehow incredibly high on a low dose
If my e2 is significantly lower, I will assume either:
-IM injections give me lower e2
-anastrozole works much stronger with just 1mg a week more
I’m still confused why my e2 is so damn high. Nothing makes sense
This assumes testosterone and anastrozole linearly affects e2 as a multiplier (double the T means double the e2, and double the anastrozole means half the e2).
If my e2 is around 107 or higher, I will assume either:
-I am not actually going IM with the test
-I am going IM and thus anastrozole doesn’t do shit for me now
-my total T is somehow incredibly high on a low dose
If my e2 is significantly lower, I will assume either:
-IM injections give me lower e2
-anastrozole works much stronger with just 1mg a week more
I’m still confused why my e2 is so damn high. Nothing makes sense
HUGE McBIGLARGE
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I got 83pmol/l. Close enough to 107 for me to conclude the following:
-IM doesn’t affect my e2 much
-either anastrozole doesn’t work well for me, or my total T is somehow very high
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HUGE McBIGLARGE
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Sorry to quadruple post. Just wanted to update anyone who’s interested.
I’m now taking 100iu hcg every day. 90mg test enanthate every other day subq. 12.5mg exemestane every day. Gonna retest and see what happens to my e2
I’m now taking 100iu hcg every day. 90mg test enanthate every other day subq. 12.5mg exemestane every day. Gonna retest and see what happens to my e2
I meant IM vs subq seems to make little difference
HUGE McBIGLARGE
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-90mg TE EoD subq
-100iu HCG ED
-12.5mg exemestane ED
These are the results 24 hours after last TE injection, and 12 hours after last exemestane dose
I guess the exemestane isn’t any more effective than the anastrozole.
I have noticed awful joint pain since starting the exemestane, but maybe that’s a coincidence.
What’s the next move here? Take 25mg exemestane a day? Seems a bit excessive.
-100iu HCG ED
-12.5mg exemestane ED
These are the results 24 hours after last TE injection, and 12 hours after last exemestane dose
I guess the exemestane isn’t any more effective than the anastrozole.
I have noticed awful joint pain since starting the exemestane, but maybe that’s a coincidence.
What’s the next move here? Take 25mg exemestane a day? Seems a bit excessive.
Alert_Custard
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Is your test from a pharmacy or UGL? It could have something else in your test that is being detected as estrogen, like tren.
Other than that, just remove everything other than the testosterone to an amount that brings you to the upper range, however many mg that is for you, and go from there.
Other than that, just remove everything other than the testosterone to an amount that brings you to the upper range, however many mg that is for you, and go from there.
HUGE McBIGLARGE
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UGL. Can’t imagine it’s tren, otherwise I wouldn’t be able to get my e2 in range with the 3.5mg anastrozole per week
Yeah I was thinking that. I’m gonna do 100mg test EoD and 100iu HCG ED. No AI. Then retest e2 and T.
Only theories I have at the moment are that my T is very high, and thus e2. Or maybe I’m not absorbing the tablets well. Thanks for the help!
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If it contains tren, it reads as estrogen on not sensitive testing. Share a photo of your vial.
I would suggest dropping to 100mg a week taken multiple times throughout the week with no hcg and ai
HUGE McBIGLARGE
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My most recent two tests were done using the same vial.
If the vial was test and not tren, it means 83pmol/l or less of the second most recent blood test was actually tren. I took 50% more for the most recent blood test, meaning I’d expect 125pmol/l of the most recent blood test to be tren. That doesn’t explain the remaining 124pmol/l.
Only way it could be tren is if it is mostly testosterone but partially tren.
This is the vial I’ve been using. The oil has the same color as water. I’ve heard tren is meant to look quite dark, so if it has got tren in it, it isn’t much.
When should I retest? I’m thinking a month should be long enough.
No chilton is fine and your oil is clear.
One month should be enough to clear the test
HUGE McBIGLARGE
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Thanks man!
Liter O' Test
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are you taking asin with fats?
its fat soluble, absorption is greatly reduced without fats.
maybe its the subq, this is a pretty new fad and i don't buy into it
the absorption could be very individual
also could be tainted with tren, who knows
could be the lab, i know you tested elsewhere but what was the type of test? Ex. ECLIA
HUGE McBIGLARGE
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Thank you for the reply. I took the exemestane after the highest-fat meal of the day (oats and nuts).
I tried IM 210mg test per week and it took 3.5mg anastrozole per week to get my e2 in range. Maybe I wasn’t actually going IM, but it definitely didn’t feel subq. Unless I wasn’t going IM, it makes no difference if I go IM or subq.
That’s a theory I’ve thought about. I’m now on 105mg TE per week subq. No AI. No HCG. If my T and e2 come back with a good ratio, I’m going to assume I don’t absorb AIs well, or that they don’t work well once in serum. If my e2 comes back abnormally high, I’m going to assume i am either a high aromatiser, the HCG is the issue, or that it’s the subq that’s the problem.
No idea. It isn’t listed anywhere. Thanks again for the reply.
Liter O' Test
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really not sure if that counts, i was thinking olive oil or peanut butter or chicken skin, nuts just seem less than ideal for foods requiring fat absorption, digestion wise. maybe i'm crazy. I used take a fish oil capsule, bite a hole in the top to put my raw aromasin in (I do not reccomend any use raw aromasin) , swallow that shortly after a fatty meal. like a peanut butter sandwhich.
I dont think this is your problem though, seems like you have an aromitzation/lab issue since you had to take so much adex
so you're new to dialing e2 with a.i?
i aromatize a shit ton and I need 3.5 adex for 450mg
you can try to call the lab and ask what assay they use.
good call on eliminating the HCG.
HUGE McBIGLARGE
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It is good to hear you need a lot of adex (for my sake). If I just aromatise highly, I’m happy to take more of an AI. I am just concerned that I seem to have disproportionately massive e2 compared to what other people have.
What’s your e2 on 450mg test and 3.5mg adex?
Does it make much of a difference?
I don’t think the HCG makes much difference, as after removing it my e2 was actually lower (same dose T, same dose AI). But I’m starting from scratch on just testosterone and adding dosages and compounds after each blood test.
Liter O' Test
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22-25 pg/ml
yeah this idea of taking hcg year round is pretty new , if its stimulating your balls to function and still create natty test, you could be producing even more than you were naturally + the testosterone you inject. so like you said you just have more variables/e2
The idea of taking HCG year round has been around at least 20 years that i know of. That is how long i have been doing it. an i got the info from a dr i was seeing back then. HCG does more then make balls bigger or produce test. It stimulates the P450 pathway, seems to help regenerate nerves to some degree as well as other things. I find most hormones tend to have effects on many systems throughout the body.
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