High Progesterone

[Megazoid]

I was researching some body building forums for information on testosterone and links between Shrinkage/ED/Low libido. I noticed that anabolic steroids are split into androgenic and progestogenic (or something) categories. I also heard that Deca is a progesteronic steroid capable of giving "Deca dick", which i assume is shrinkage and also ED.

How do you combat high progesterone? Using external testosterone to raise DHT? Thyroid hormone?

A few other points came up regarding how testosterone (enthanate was mentioned) will lower T3 due to the estridol increase but also increase progesterone too. This sparked off something relating to the ED i had while on testosterone. I have never once (from amything) experienced any kind of even short libido burst...

My DHT also came back mid-range on the test, i have noticed a very slight increase in body muscle mass (upper arms, chest, etc).

On saliva test my progesterone was VERY high, way over the top.

Progesterone (P1) 265 (5 - 95 pg/ml)

What controls progesterone production and what is the best way of lowering this? Could high progesterone be the cause of my low libido and chronic ED problems? I am willing to bet this is playing some kind of role in my problems.

Can someone please explain to me what "17-OH Progesterone" is and how it varies from progesterone itself.

 

[Megazoid]

"Since progesterone has an antagonistic effect on estrogen, application of progesterone cream would indirectly enhance the effect of testosterone."

 

[cjones]

I was researching some body building forums for information on testosterone and links between Shrinkage/ED/Low libido. I noticed that anabolic steroids are split into androgenic and progestogenic (or something) categories. I also heard that Deca is a progesteronic steroid capable of giving "Deca dick", which i assume is shrinkage and also ED.

How do you combat high progesterone? Using external testosterone to raise DHT? Thyroid hormone?

A few other points came up regarding how testosterone (enthanate was mentioned) will lower T3 due to the estridol increase but also increase progesterone too. This sparked off something relating to the ED i had while on testosterone. I have never once (from amything) experienced any kind of even short libido burst...

My DHT also came back mid-range on the test, i have noticed a very slight increase in body muscle mass (upper arms, chest, etc).

On saliva test my progesterone was VERY high, way over the top.

Progesterone (P1) 265 (5 - 95 pg/ml)

What controls progesterone production and what is the best way of lowering this? Could high progesterone be the cause of my low libido and chronic ED problems? I am willing to bet this is playing some kind of role in my problems.

Can someone please explain to me what "17-OH Progesterone" is and how it varies from progesterone itself.

Dave your head must be cabaged get some Isocort

Our hormones are out of sync its only natural what we have been through and thyroid is for life. Everything should come back as a result, you can't over analyse these things. You are hypothyroid and have exhausted adrenal function.

I probably have low free T, high prolactin, E2, SHGB etc but that isn't the cause of all this and is best looked at later and more so how you actually feel on proper HRT

 

[Megazoid]

Thanks for the reply Chris. There are countless studies on varicoceles showing some kind of enyzmeic impairment with progestosterone i believe. So i wanted to research it further.

I am not 100% convinced everything is adrenal related with me, i believe thyroid has a big role though...

 

[cjones]

Thanks for the reply Chris. There are countless studies on varicoceles showing some kind of enyzmeic impairment with progestosterone i believe. So i wanted to research it further.

I am not 100% convinced everything is adrenal related with me, i believe thyroid has a big role though...

I don't doubt it but you got to start with the problem. There are a total lack of enzymes, conversions, tissue uptakes, inhibited cellular resistance due to low thyroid hormone etc etc going on constantly while we are living like this

I would get all your bloodwork/saliva/temps to a private thyroid GP to put your mind at rest

Adrenals have their place and can be deceptive. A malfunctioning adrenal gland can put off high Adrenaline and DHEA but not sufficient Aldosterone and Cortisol that can make labs look very interesting to say the least

As Dr Broda Barnes said to confuse a hypothyroid patient run a blood test!

 

[Fit4Life05]

One symptom of high progesterone is supposedly shrinkage. Another is ED/low libido. There isnt a ton of info on high Progesterone tho.....

One way to lower Progesterone (theoretically) would be to raise DHT levels. Here in the states I dont believe there is a prescription DHT drug. This is theoretic tho I havnt actually saw any info that it actually works.

One for sure way is the prescription drug/steroid Winstrol/Stanozolol. It is what bodybuilders use to counter the "Deca" dick they get from raised progesterone fromm the Deca.

This comes in either pill form or inections, but inection would need to be everyday since there is no ester attached.

Here is where I got my info from

https://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/73766-winstrol-stanozolol-treat.html

It may be hard for you to actually get a Doc to give you a script for Winstrol though, so there is a legal alternative called Furazadrol, its basically a pro hormone to Winstrol. The writeup even talks about its anti-progesterone capabilities

Furazadrol (60 capsules) By Axis Labs

 

[pmgamer18]

Here is a link that shows how the hormones work.
Pathway for biosynthesis of hormones
I wonder what kind of test was done if it was a Saliva test for get about it redo the test in blood work.
Q-A for Men

 

[Megazoid]

Excellent link Phil.

What was more intresting is that progesterone is related to blood vessel health, it causes "smooth" blood vessel walls, which probably go hand in hand with varicocele problems (inflammation of the small blood vessels).

Having too low progesterone isn't good either it seem's, but having too high seem's just as bad.

I wonder if TRT would help normalize progesterone or lower it too much? I was thinking raising DHT would be the answer. Maybe something like 250mg a week would be suffience to do so?

 

[cjones]

http://www.nptech.co.uk/order.html

Dave you can get blood drawn and these will test it for you, they are associated with Bupa so are a good service. Private labs are the only way to get things done here as we both know

Also about E2!

I am curious how a sex hormone can mess up your thyroid function so much and although this may be improved by lowering E2 can it be reversed without being on thyroid replacement? The worst effect has been on my reproductive health. I have read about E2 competing with thyroid for cell receptor sites. Will there always be cellular resistance to thyroid hormone as a result? I thought adrenals/thyroid then e2 not adrenals/e2 then thyroid was the way to go?

I am going to get Serum Progesterone and Oestradiol checked in blood (I know ultra sensitive is ideal in men). I am also interested in dhea-s, b12 and adrenal and thyroid antibodies getting checked again also. I wouldn't trust saliva sex hormones

Thyroid Profile FreeT4, FreeT3, TSH
Thyroglobulin Antibodies (TgAb)
Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO)
Ferritin
Red Cell Folate
Selenium
Vitamin B12
Serum Oestradiol
Serum Progesterone
Serum Testosterone
Prolactin
LH
Serum DHEA-s
Serum Cortisol
Insulin (Fasting)
Adrenal Antibodies
IGF-1 (Insulin-like growth factor)

This will cost 580

 

[taser]

supposedly winstrol has some anti progesterin effects.

 

[cjones]

This will cost 160

IWDL

24 hour urine T4/T3
Reverse T3

I think I should mention this also for other people here in the UK who can't get anywhere with the NHS

The only things missing that you want checking are;

Free T
Estradiol Ultra Sensitive
SHBG
FSH
Aldosterone/Renin