Higher incidence of heart attacks among bodybuilders who use high levels of steroids?

Hello, all. Happy New Year.

It's been a while since I posted here. With the shutdowns and no gyms open in the area I lived and recently moved to I have bee holding off using gear. But now that I'm going to have a pretty nice power rack and weights at home I'm looking to start up gear again. So I plan to be a regular here again.

Seems like there is quite a bit of information suggesting that young men who use heavy cycles can be more prone to heart disease. This can range from impaired ventricular function as well as developing more arterial plaque that can lead to blockages and a heart attack can result.

I'm curious to know if anyone here has suffered heart disease or a heart attack and was it caused by heavy gear usage? Also, aside from self monitoring such as getting bloodwork done to check lipids/cholesterol levels what can be done to prevent the accumulation of plaque? It seems that even though guys who lift and eat very well can get send their lipids and cholesterol levels out of whack when on heavy cycles.

Just wondering if there are others out there who might be taking measures to help decrease the chance of suffering heart disease - what are you actually doing?

I'm turning fifty this year. I am on a 100mg per week dose of testosterone that is medically prescribed. Once Spring hits I hope to increase my dose and add other things like anavar or possibly tren which I have on hand but am now wondering if I'm too old. Just last month I met a guy at the gym who was very candid about his prior steroid use. He said he had a heart attack and that it was caused by his heavy use of testosterone and tren. When I asked him how much he was taking he said he was taking 1 gram of test a week with 600mg of tren. I told him that was insanely high for a man in his early fifties. If I were to do both I'd take 200-300mg of test a week with 300-400mg of tren a week. But now I'm not so sure I should chance it.
 
Good on you for creating this thread.

What some of us fail to understand is that, while on artificial testosterone, our blood levels are increased and our liver works overtime to provide us the blood supply to supplement the oxygen to our muscles. During this process, our blood pressure is increased. When your blood pressure is increased, you stress the fuck out of your kidneys because they have to filter all that blood of toxins. (Creatinine is a waste product from the tearing down of muscles that your kidneys will filter out.)

As for for the plaque, 19nors like deca and tren are found to be the purest culprits of this and for true kidney damage. Don't believe me? I have stage 3 CKD (Chronic kidney disease) because of it.

Some guys think if they inject +500mg of deca or tren they're outcome is going to amazing, this is a flawed way of thinking IF you are not competing at the pro level of bodybuilding. For the average Joe, STOP.

There's a reason why you need only do 3 months on and 3 months off. Your blood pressure stays high'ish as long as you keep that high level of test in your system. Once your off, your system begins to readjust itself to place you at a stable level. PCT will help the hell out of this process.

Op, I recommend you do your CBC w/ auto differential metabolic panel, lipid profile panel (HDL, LDL, and cholesterol are included with this test) I'd also really pay attention to where your eGFR is. eGFR measures how well your kidneys are functioning. I say this to you because you're wanting to do orals, gotta know if it is actually okay for you to do it man. If your eFGR is on the lower side, DON'T. Dialysis and kidney transplant ain't worth it.

Also, with increased blood pressure, your heart is placed under stressed. Keep that shit low and you're fine. Give blood every 3-6 months. If that isnt doing the trick talk to your doc and see if you can get something done about your blood pressure.

Stay well my friend.
 
Thanks a lot for your input, BigBoi93. That was a lot of great info. I will monitor myself very closely. I took tren years ago and was fine but his was nearly twenty-five years ago. I'm quite a bit older now so I know I more than likely can't handle the same level of gear as I did back then. I was 252lb of muscle with pretty lean abs and a 33" waist at 6ft tall.

A bit of odd information, I've lost 2" of height and am now only 5'10! I read that this level of height decrease could be related to a potential link to heart disease. It's a long story but if you're interested in learning about it you can look it up online.

Currently, I'm fine and my lipids look really good. I tend to become prehypertensive as I try to bulk up. I used to not have this issue when I was younger but now that I'm older it tends to be a little high. But this only happens when I bulk up. Once I get around 220lb or so my blood pressure becomes a concern. But my natural bodyweight is around 185lb and then my blood pressure is great (120/75-80). Unfortunately, my vanity and wanting to be one of the big boys is why I still dabble with any of this.

I'm not able to donate blood and my doctor wouldn't prescribe therapeutic blood draws so I got the equipment to do my own blood draws every three months. It was a little alarming how good at it I was. Other than one unsightly bruising I caused during the second time I did my own blood draw it went smoothly every time afterwards. I'd withdraw a pint and my hematocrit levels that were once creeping up went down to healthy levels. I think it's also good for flushing out other things as well.

I'm going to get a blood pressure monitor for in home use to monitor myself at home. I have my own theory on kidney failure related to all this. I think the extra weight most of us are carrying around in the form of lean muscle is, in itself, a strain on the kidneys. Even obese people can cause strain on their kidneys just for being fat. All that added weight is hard on a lot of organs. Muscle tissue is more metabolically active than excess fat cells. So it seems logical that this would be hard on the kidneys.

At any rate, I'll watch myself closely. Thanks, again.
 
Any idea why you lost two inches of height? That seems really strange. I am older than you and the same height as when I was in high school.
 
Any idea why you lost two inches of height? That seems really strange. I am older than you and the same height as when I was in high school.
Not sure. When I measured myself at home I was alarmed and brought my concerns to my doctor during my previous visit. She didn't seem alarmed but I still am. Being that I was 49 when I found this out I have no idea what to expect if I live to be 70-80 or beyond.

She said lack of testosterone and dehydration can be the culprits. I'm on HRT as I mentioned above. If I learn more I'll provide that info here.
 
Not sure. When I measured myself at home I was alarmed and brought my concerns to my doctor during my previous visit. She didn't seem alarmed but I still am. Being that I was 49 when I found this out I have no idea what to expect if I live to be 70-80 or beyond.

She said lack of testosterone and dehydration can be the culprits. I'm on HRT as I mentioned above. If I learn more I'll provide that info here.
Your last sentence is what I guessed. See, your joints hold fluid that is obtained through water and other viable liquids you consume throughout the day. I typically lose a little bit of my height during the winter (now). I don't believe it's cause for concern.

If it is really itching your Spidey senses, drink a gallon of water or more, measure your height for three weeks, see if that helps.

*No, I'm not a make shift doc or nurse lol*

My sis just happens to be a nurse.
 
I have had a few tachycardias when on cycle, I mean a sudden increase of pulsations when resting, ascending to 110-115 for a few minutes. It is scary as hell. Nothing more than that. Btw I gotta say I smoke weed and hash with some tobacco frequently.
 
I would say to skip the tren unless you are trying to be a pro body builder. Or if you must do it, stick to 100-150 mg per week tren ace. Honestly, that is all you need. That's it. No more than that. For real man, I am serious.

If I were you, I would just stick to 500 mg test cycles, maybe throw in some anavar or proviron for 4-8 weeks (depending on overall lipid levels, liver health, and how significantly those drugs impact your personal lipids/liver enzymes).
 
I would say to skip the tren unless you are trying to be a pro body builder. Or if you must do it, stick to 100-150 mg per week tren ace. Honestly, that is all you need. That's it. No more than that. For real man, I am serious.

If I were you, I would just stick to 500 mg test cycles, maybe throw in some anavar or proviron for 4-8 weeks (depending on overall lipid levels, liver health, and how significantly those drugs impact your personal lipids/liver enzymes).
Exactly! Like I told him and newer guys, if you don't have to do orals, DON'T. Like most body parts, this one is big time prone to becoming enlarged. You will feel it, and yes it does hurt.

Was it worth me doing all this for bodybuilding...(I'm reserved to keep the answer to myself)

To help your decision making process, a lot of bodybuilders are barely getting by (health wise) past the EARLY age of 50. Hell, the king himself (Arnold) had open heart surgery not too long ago. I don't want to bring this one up, but Dallas McCarver didn't choke on his food. His organs were big enough to fit to of the same type into one. He is so dearly missed...he was fuckin 26 (close to my age) and misguided.

I'm not trying to scare you guys, but I might as well until you guys wind up getting a scare in the hospital. Veterans in these forums do preach about this shit, but no listens. We gotta take care of my own.

Fuck, imma step off this makeshift soap box.
 
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Exactly! Like I told him and newer guys, if you don't have to do orals, DON'T. Like most body parts, this one is big time prone to becoming enlarged. You will feel it, and yes it does hurt.

Was it worth me doing all this for bodybuilding...(I'm reserved to keep the answer to myself)

To help your decision making process, a lot of bodybuilders are barely getting by (health wise) past the EARLY age of 50. Hell, the king himself (Arnold) had open heart surgery not too long ago. I don't want to bring this one up, but Dallas McCarver didn't choke on his food. His organs were big enough to fit to of the same type into one. He is so dearly missed...he was fuckin 26 (close to my age) and misguided.

I'm not trying to scare you guys, but I might as well until you guys wind up getting a scare in the hospital. Veterans in these forums do preach about this shit, but no listens. We gotta take care of my own.

Fuck, imma step off this makeshift soap box.
I am now sitting at >800 total test 100% natty, being a long time off.
Health is great, bloodwork and general feeling verify it.

I am at the moment where one would say in the future: "Shit I wish I would have stayed there, now my natural test comes back lower, I got palpitations, less hair, AAS muscles are fading and whatnot, I wish I did not continue doing this thing."

Still, there is a force within who pushes towards doing it again, like yeah I can do a simple cycle to cut fat while holding all the muscle and then let it go, just getting lean at a decent size which is unlikely to happen naturally for most athletes. Just that and I am done forever...
 
I am now sitting at >800 total test 100% natty, being a long time off.
Health is great, bloodwork and general feeling verify it.

I am at the moment where one would say in the future: "Shit I wish I would have stayed there, now my natural test comes back lower, I got palpitations, less hair, AAS muscles are fading and whatnot, I wish I did not continue doing this thing."

Still, there is a force within who pushes towards doing it again, like yeah I can do a simple cycle to cut fat while holding all the muscle and then let it go, just getting lean at a decent size which is unlikely to happen naturally for most athletes. Just that and I am done forever...
we really are our worst enemy. Like I'm not about to sit here and tell you not do AAS, but go off and do it my own damn self. Our culture is so "'off." I don't believe in normality, rather commonality. We do things for the sake of being a "better" us. However, those "things" tend to be our demise. How perversely melancholic are we lol.
 
we really are our worst enemy. Like I'm not about to sit here and tell you not do AAS, but go off and do it my own damn self. Our culture is so "'off." I don't believe in normality, rather commonality. We do things for the sake of being a "better" us. However, those "things" tend to be our demise. How perversely melancholic are we lol.

The most dangerous thing is that we can manipulate our psyche to do what we consciously know to be wrong, finding a justification, reason, or just a "why not, really?".

In this forum, you can expect to find people with little sense of self-preservation, and indeed, this is perverse, because most of us know what we are doing.

Nevertheless, most users here went too far on this already, and there is no going back for them, but me? I have no God´s forgiveness if I keep doing this.
 
I’m not sure I’m addicted or not, I don’t care, I love my coffee, wine and anabolics. Life would suck without them. I don’t let them control me, rather I use them responsibly, and makes my life more enjoyable. I could give all 3 up but why the hell why?
 
I think the first thing many ppl think is if they stick to eating healthy, hitting cardio, and taking liver care and supportive health supps they can stay ok and keep going. But eventually you cannot outsmart it, nor out-diet or out-supppement it.

It's hard to say when it'll happen and what's going to happen, but labs need to be done regularly and if someone isn't willing to have labs done then they are much more at risk
 
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