Hip (Ventrogluteal) Site For IM Injection

[Get Some]

Actually, what i have figuered is that it isn't the penetration that hurts (unless you hit a nerve). It's injection of the solution that hurts major ass. Testoviron totally criples me while i inject it, even if i have warmed the vial up.... I can only imagine how badly test prop hurts....

Reinhart... Test Prop NEVER hurts me during injection, only the next day or 2 depending on the brand. I inject 1 CC of prop into the delts all the time without any pain on insertion or injection. My arm is definitely sore the next day though. As far as ventroglute, I was under the impression that it does not hurt during injection and hurts significantly less the next day than other areas. I'm assuming it's because you don't use this muscle to perform everyday motor skills as much as the delts, quads, etc.

Trainhard - Excellent post bro! I think I was the one who asked you about this most recently because I had had major problems pinning the quad area on a consistent basis. I seem to be hitting veins and nerves with regularity lately. Although, I'm a veiny MF, so that doesn't surprise me. I'll look forward to pinning this spot and keeping it in my rotation. It's always nice to have at LEAST 4 good spots when I'm doing EOD short ester injections. Scar tissue is something I'm not a fan of. Not a big fanof the reacharound either, but hey....I didn't mention it first.

 

[TrainHard]

fair enuff, but u did state here in a thread about injection technique that u intended to try .25s, n when i mentioned the big jump in resistance u had an "elementary, dear Watson!" attitude about it.

I believe a thread I started last year I asked about a 25G 5/8 pin I had access, but after some research realized it wouldn't work, to short. Never grabbed it

It all worked out because then I got around 100 23g 1.5 pins. 23g has always been the size I have used. If you do things right there should not be any pain from 21g to 30g.

I've been stuck with everything from 18 to 30. I'll be honest, the only pin that ever gave me a pinch was the 18g. Otherwise everything else I don't feel.

For those wondering what the 18g was used for, a blood draw this past year.

 

[TrainHard]

Trainhard - Excellent post bro! I think I was the one who asked you about this most recently because I had had major problems pinning the quad area on a consistent basis. I seem to be hitting veins and nerves with regularity lately. Although, I'm a veiny MF, so that doesn't surprise me. I'll look forward to pinning this spot and keeping it in my rotation. It's always nice to have at LEAST 4 good spots when I'm doing EOD short ester injections. Scar tissue is something I'm not a fan of. Not a big fanof the reacharound either, but hey....I didn't mention it first.

You did bro, hopefully this will help. Its a really nice site to pin, no issues what so ever.

 

[Jeton]

I believe a thread I started last year I asked about a 25G 5/8 pin I had access, but after some research realized it wouldn't work, to short. Never grabbed it

It all worked out because then I got around 100 23g 1.5 pins. 23g has always been the size I have used. If you do things right there should not be any pain from 21g to 30g.

I've been stuck with everything from 18 to 30. I'll be honest, the only pin that ever gave me a pinch was the 18g. Otherwise everything else I don't feel.

For those wondering what the 18g was used for, a blood draw this past year.

whatever works for u...in my case, i'm on trt for life, so i definitely take note of what is actually a substantial size difference between .22, .23, and .25ga needles for IM injections. bcuz nerves tend to spread in an arboreal (tree-branch) fashion, any of those needle sizes is capable of being painful or not...however, the thinner gauges simply do it less often. also, on my right glute in particular, there's a bullseye spot that i would always inject into perfectly situated for dorso-gluteal injection, and over the years some scar tissue has accumulated there. 25s slide in while 23s take some force. i assume moving to 25s means less additional scar tissue over time.

lastly, as i've mentioned earlier, the very first time i injected, it was in the quad, and it was using the .18ga by mistake! i was shocked at how completely painless it was, but realized i must have slipped :"between the branches" of nerves, n pinned a dead zone. i've never pinned 18s again tho, so i lack the experience of hitting a nerve directly with one.

for anyone contemplating using .25s for IM, i suggest practicing with one filled with a thick oil like EV olive oil...don't just squeeze out a couple of ml's in front of u, practice squeezing them in the odd posture ur in when self-injecting. u might be surprised at how jumpy ur hand can get the first few times. if u can get over the jumpiness b4 u attempt any injection, .25s r much smoother than 23s...less blood, less pain, and u develop a steadier injection speed bcuz there's a hard limit as to how fast u can push the hammer.

 

[IronCore]

Thanks for the post train... you help clarify the proper location for me... thats why i never tried that spot... now I want to start a new cycle just so i can try it...

 

[BBC3]

What is this? Some kind of Jaws drunken war story tell time.....[)]

No one should be pinning intentionally with 18's. THATS A FREAKIN HARPOON... I have had 17's for plasma donation before. While painless on first use, I would HATE to feel that bastard after going through a vial cap.!!!!!!!! Too much cut area on the head (pardon the pun), Leaving way too much damage/scar tissue... Jeton with the 18 in the quad. You are clearly lucky. The odds of finding no nerve zones in quads are pretty slim. STILL the cut width on an 18 has got to be almost a MM accross. That cant be good for the muscle tissue.! I cant even stand a 25 in the quads. I STILL manage to hit fucking nerves...... IMO for the glutes anything down to 20 ok. Preferably no bigger than 21 for long term. I have run quite a few 20's, and a box of 21's.. 23 is just too slow on the draw. 22s seem to pull about twice as fast as 23s for some reason.....

 

[TrainHard]

Hey we all have our pins of choice, whether its 23 or 25 they all get the job done. However we all agree on one part, 18g is only good for pulling juice from a vial.

 

[TrainHard]

Thanks for the post train... you help clarify the proper location for me... thats why i never tried that spot... now I want to start a new cycle just so i can try it...

Yeah what are you waiting for, its the best spot.

 

[Get Some]

Yeah what are you waiting for, its the best spot.

If you're fairly lean (12%BF or less) do you think you could get a 1" needle and stick it in the VG with success? Or do you need a 1.5" to get the job done? I have a crapload of 25g 1" needles and don't want to have to order anymore if I don't have to.

 

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BTW, nice chest man! I've definitely got some bro envy there. Wish I could work my chest up to looking like that. It's the location where I am lagging the most. I had some problems with gyno as a teen only in one nipple and that pec is lagging in size versus the other one. It still flares up occasionally so I have to use letro or adex. Is it weird that the gyno is only on one side? Sorry, didn't mean to hijack your thread.

 

[TrainHard]

If you're fairly lean (12%BF or less) do you think you could get a 1" needle and stick it in the VG with success? Or do you need a 1.5" to get the job done? I have a crapload of 25g 1" needles and don't want to have to order anymore if I don't have to.

When i finish all these 1.5in pins I'm going with 1 in, I really don't think anything else is needed.

BTW, nice chest man! I've definitely got some bro envy there. Wish I could work my chest up to looking like that. It's the location where I am lagging the most. I had some problems with gyno as a teen only in one nipple and that pec is lagging in size versus the other one. It still flares up occasionally so I have to use letro or adex. Is it weird that the gyno is only on one side? Sorry, didn't mean to hijack your thread.

Thanks bro, my chest is the hardest group to work, hardest to grow, and the hardest to gain strength. I stick with slower concentrated movements and really focus on the muscle contraction.

Gyno under one nip is more common than you think, I still think its weird why it would happen that way, but I've got no answer either. The main aspect we all know is estrogen control.

 

[BBC3]

I consider myself a fatty right now, and that area being the last place its comming off, I thing you could pin that no doubt with a 1. imagine a piece of beef. All you need to do is get it in there about 1/4-1/2 inch. Just be sure and get your finger on it quick, apply pressure and massage for about 3 mins (forever).

You will probably have no problem at 12%. Once you find the muscle, next time you can actually lean the other way and stretch the fat out of the way. JUST BE CAREFUL. Technically you should leave at least 1/4 inch of the pin exposed in case of RARE breakoff...... So try not to totally submerge it. DEFINITELY NEVER push it in depressing the skin/tissue,....

Train, I hope I did not sound offensive. I was just kinda skimming. You guys know none is ever intended...

If you're fairly lean (12%BF or less) do you think you could get a 1" needle and stick it in the VG with success? Or do you need a 1.5" to get the job done? I have a crapload of 25g 1" needles and don't want to have to order anymore if I don't have to.

 

[TrainHard]

Technically you should leave at least 1/4 inch of the pin exposed in case of RARE breakoff...... So try not to totally submerge it. DEFINITELY NEVER push it in depressing the skin/tissue,....

Train, I hope I did not sound offensive. I was just kinda skimming. You guys know none is ever intended...

I've tried breaking that damn pin off, it bends better than breaking.

Well nothing I've ever read of yours has ever been offensive to me, actually I enjoy reading your posts, you are very intelligent and entertaining.

 

[Jeton]

What is this? Some kind of Jaws drunken war story tell time.....[)]

No one should be pinning intentionally with 18's. THATS A FREAKIN HARPOON... I have had 17's for plasma donation before. While painless on first use, I would HATE to feel that bastard after going through a vial cap.!!!!!!!! Too much cut area on the head (pardon the pun), Leaving way too much damage/scar tissue... Jeton with the 18 in the quad. You are clearly lucky. The odds of finding no nerve zones in quads are pretty slim. STILL the cut width on an 18 has got to be almost a MM accross. That cant be good for the muscle tissue.! I cant even stand a 25 in the quads. I STILL manage to hit fucking nerves...... IMO for the glutes anything down to 20 ok. Preferably no bigger than 21 for long term. I have run quite a few 20's, and a box of 21's.. 23 is just too slow on the draw. 22s seem to pull about twice as fast as 23s for some reason.....

oh trust me, i was noting that my 1ml injection was almost finished, n went pail when i noticed the telltale pink-base of the 18ga...but snapped to when i realized :"hey i didn't even feel that!". the hole it left was as big as expected, however, and i would NEVER knowingly use that size again. it IS a fukn harpoon...almost a canula!

 

[beachjock]

Great post and very good guide with the photos. This is very much like the ones my Doc. used to teach me how to admin. my shots at home!

 

[TrainHard]

No Problem, and like I said if anyone has any questions or doesn't understand just let me know. Its probably the best spot to ever pin.

 

[BBC3]

Agreed. I was only pointing out that I have heard from medical techs in the past that sometimes defects appear in the form of poorly attached pins, thus they don't so much break, but come loose at the point of attachment. So it really becomes a problem if you have someone really jambing a 1 inch pin in so far that it depresses the skin.

And I am not saying that this was ever a real problem I heard of with ANY manufacturer. Just rumored it had happend. So better safe than sorry..

I've tried breaking that damn pin off, it bends better than breaking.

Well nothing I've ever read of yours has ever been offensive to me, actually I enjoy reading your posts, you are very intelligent and entertaining.

 

[Get Some]

Best way I've found to find it by yourself is to start at the trochanter move approx 1'' north then continue shifting your weight from your "off" leg and then back to the leg you intend on injecting. When you find the right muscle it will be bulging out whenever your weight is on the "inject" leg.

I tried this today and found that this was really good advice. You can easily feel the entire muscle area when you shift your weight from side to side. That advice coupled with the pics from Train really make me feel comfortable about pinning that spot. Thanks guys!

 

[weltweite]

I'll go into a bit of detail, since other readers may be new to the spot like I was 30 minutes ago.

Just did it 30 minutes ago. Left side. I was a little nervous to not miss the proper spot, but I just put all the weight on the right leg, and pulled the left leg up to the side till the muscle bulged out.

I then circled the center of that bulge with a pen. Then relaxed leg again and went at it with a 25g 1"

Going in, I noticed it was a little harder than other spots, but I think that is because I was "tense" and flexing it on accident. As it went in further, I felt a sort of "pop" like it went thru a barrier into the muscle itself. (at least I hope so) and at that point it started hurting a bit.

When the oil started flowing in, It was more painful than any other shot I have ever done. A lot of pressure and I was looking forward to finishing. I have very low body fat, and am wondering if I went thru the muscle on accident.. (Like I said, I only used a 1" pin )

The benefits however is that it doesn't hurt now, and sitting down doesn't put pressure on the area. Plus its a new area to really slow down that scar tissue build up in the glutes.

I tend to do a lot of sub-q shots on the oblique areas as well. I used to like Pec injects, and I have done, lats, traps, long/short heads of tricep, quads.. but after a muscle tear a while back, I can't bring myself to inject into a functional muscle. Seems too damaging for me.

 

[TrainHard]

It should not be hard going in at all, the muscle is not used very much, the easiest way is to locate the trochanter, then move up about 2.5 inches from that spot, any location around that area will work.

There should have been no pop, unless you moved the needle. There should also be no pain either, there are very few nerves there. 1 inch is standard, I used 1.5 in that pic.

I'll take that first pic and show where the triangle is at. Might be easier for you to locate the right spot. It will have to wait till tonight when I get home.

I'll go into a bit of detail, since other readers may be new to the spot like I was 30 minutes ago.

Just did it 30 minutes ago. Left side. I was a little nervous to not miss the proper spot, but I just put all the weight on the right leg, and pulled the left leg up to the side till the muscle bulged out.

I then circled the center of that bulge with a pen. Then relaxed leg again and went at it with a 25g 1"

Going in, I noticed it was a little harder than other spots, but I think that is because I was "tense" and flexing it on accident. As it went in further, I felt a sort of "pop" like it went thru a barrier into the muscle itself. (at least I hope so) and at that point it started hurting a bit.

When the oil started flowing in, It was more painful than any other shot I have ever done. A lot of pressure and I was looking forward to finishing. I have very low body fat, and am wondering if I went thru the muscle on accident.. (Like I said, I only used a 1" pin )

The benefits however is that it doesn't hurt now, and sitting down doesn't put pressure on the area. Plus its a new area to really slow down that scar tissue build up in the glutes.

I tend to do a lot of sub-q shots on the oblique areas as well. I used to like Pec injects, and I have done, lats, traps, long/short heads of tricep, quads.. but after a muscle tear a while back, I can't bring myself to inject into a functional muscle. Seems too damaging for me.