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I used to use qsc for raws, not anymore. I use him for peptides only. I 've already sent a friend who resides in another country to GA for finished oils and made an order for tabs on SSA. I like HYB for their tablet testing and readying an order. I spent some of my time on qsc because I treat it like a public square for chit chat, fun and serious talk when the occasion arises. I am not friends with any source whatsoever, they are all drug dealers.

Now for the enhanced testing that readalot is pursuing. Academically I don't disagree its interesting. But I am first and foremost a practical man, it ain't gonna fly. People look for cheap, reliable product. In order for such endeavor to succeed you will need to pursue the big fish (not the 100gr orders of us homebrewers) to stop buying for their UGLS and that is not going to happen. You know how many labs are out there that they don't even know, or give a flying f for the matter, Meso and Jano exist? And make thousand of $ each week? Many. I know atleast 3 that use qsc raws.

So how are readalot, or anyone for that matter is going to make any of the sources comply? He ain't. In the meantime its just become an endless chatter and noise in the board. When he started the whole ordeal in qsc I was reluctunt to even read the thread cause of the clutter. Now it spreads like a cancer.

This VERY POST is noise, has nothing to do with ordering, delivering or real problems.

Time to hit the stop button.
You know I respect you a lot Narta and even so I do share some of your view on how this is not gonna probably change a damn thing I don't see how this harms in anyway anything.

The forum is mostly for informations between users and to denounce bad behaviour to the public of sources, at least that's how I have used it. If I need something from a source I'll just shoot then a mail.

Few or many posts here and there trying to create awareness aren't really messing up anything in my opinion.

Even just for curiosity on what we are gonna find isn't it worth it?

I mean we both gonna still brew our oils and shoot it, as we don't have any better alternative but at least we will know something more. Will it change anything now shirt term? I don't think so.
Will it be a nice adventure and maybe with time something will move? I don't know either but bit changes happened because small ppl tried something that was considered impossible :)
 
I don't see how this harms in anyway anything.
When you have someone copy pasting the same shit every 5 posts, it makes noise.

But you do you. I 'll just jump to pep chat and their servers for info on prices and shit and refrain from scrubbing through endless posts in here
 
You need to distinguish the difference between what is practically possible and what is the in the realm of unicorn farts and rainbows.

As I said, academically it's interesting. Practically, not feasible
You seem to have a good grasp of feasible. What would that be beyond current standard?

The tests themselves are quite real. I guess you mean the unicorn/rainbow part of the feasibility being any vendor doing them?
 
You seem to have a good grasp of feasible. What would that be beyond current standard?

The tests themselves are quite real. I guess you mean the unicorn/rainbow part of the feasibility being any vendor doing them?
Yeah mostly that no one will test for it and even if they do, no one will push the manufacturer in fixing any issue etc.
 
Exactly. They have ZERO incentive and will have ZERO incentive unless their bulk buyers demand it. And they won't. Too much money involved to start a riot, too many blokes involved to organize one too.
So that's it then. Someone better write Millard a nice note to let him know this is all a facade. A daydream. I know I fell for it. I thought some users actually gave a shit. You are probably right. Most don't. AAS users will always be right there with meth heads. The war on AAS succeeded.

Thanks for your feedback. I appreciate your opinion.
 
I thought some users actually gave a shit.
Giving a shit and what is realistic is two very distant things sometimes. Can you help a homeless man or an animal because you give a shit? Yes. Can you "force" a AAS vendor to do some expensive testing that the people that do 70% of his revenue don''t give a flying f about it? No.

GLPs, the new hotness, is so competitive and so much tested because the majority of the revenue comes from retail. AAS raws? I can bet 80% comes from UGLs and homebrewers with lots of friends. I buy 100gr every 3 years, a major player buys 10kg in a year. If I "demand" enchanted testing, he will tell me to f off, don't have it, go somewhere eslo hombre.

P.S. What I write comes from a different background. I used to shoot purified sludge from tren pellets dissolved in magic solution, Ttokyo, QV and British Dragon that Mark himself, poured on open vials from the factory without even a rinse. My "risk tolerance" is higher than most people, having knowledge how a combat medic operates in the field and how resilient is the human body.
 
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I’m going to throw in my 2cents even if it’s not a popular one.

Most gear heads not everyone, who are here using unprescribed drugs gotten illegally from abroad or domestic are already prepared to sacrifice their health to achieve their individual goals.

They don’t care about your test, vendors test or any test for that matter, they only do it to feel like they are being safe but will inject anything even those from the dirty gum locker rooms if nothing better is available.

Do you think they will throw away thousands worth of gear because of whatever tests you find? I doubt it, remember, before Jano,tests were unheard of.

Knuckleheads don’t care, they say they do, they don’t. Ask a guy if he’ll eat all the endotoxins to get a 24” arms, if he says he won’t he’s lying.
 
And on that note of complete rationalization...

Appreciate the feedback. There's nothing really worth fixing here. Good points, I don't share the above philosophy. I should start my own community of maybe three people haha.
 
Giving a shit and what is realistic is two very distant things sometimes. Can you help a homeless man or an animal because you give a shit? Yes. Can you "force" a AAS vendor to do some expensive testing that the people that do 70% of his revenue don''t give a flying f about it? No.

GLPs, the new hotness, is so competitive and so much tested because the majority of the revenue comes from retail. AAS raws? I can bet 80% comes from UGLs and homebrewers with lots of friends. I buy 100gr every 3 years, a major player buys 10kg in a year. If I "demand" enchanted testing, he will tell me to f off, don't have it, go somewhere eslo hombre.

P.S. What I write comes from a different background. I used to shoot purified sludge from tren pellets dissolved in magic solution, Ttokyo, QV and British Dragon that Mark himself, poured on open vials from the factory without even a rinse. My "risk tolerance" is higher than most people, having knowledge how a combat medic operates in the field and how resilient is the human body.
Combat triage sounds like the perfect paradigm with which to base harm reduction efforts for the AAS using community. Many have truly let the government's criminalization efforts turn them to naked self loathing. No thanks.
 
I used to use qsc for raws, not anymore. I use him for peptides only. I 've already sent a friend who resides in another country to GA for finished oils and made an order for tabs on SSA. I like HYB for their tablet testing and readying an order. I spent some of my time on qsc because I treat it like a public square for chit chat, fun and serious talk when the occasion arises. I am not friends with any source whatsoever, they are all drug dealers.

Now for the enhanced testing that readalot is pursuing. Academically I don't disagree its interesting. But I am first and foremost a practical man, it ain't gonna fly. People look for cheap, reliable product. In order for such endeavor to succeed you will need to pursue the big fish (not the 100gr orders of us homebrewers) to stop buying for their UGLS and that is not going to happen. You know how many labs are out there that they don't even know, or give a flying f for the matter, Meso and Jano exist? And make thousand of $ each week? Many. I know atleast 3 that use qsc raws.

So how are readalot, or anyone for that matter is going to make any of the sources comply? He ain't. In the meantime its just become an endless chatter and noise in the board. When he started the whole ordeal in qsc I was reluctunt to even read the thread cause of the clutter. Now it spreads like a cancer.

This VERY POST is noise, has nothing to do with ordering, delivering or real problems.

Time to hit the stop button.
Spot on. I'm curious how many of the people supporting these efforts have stopped buying from the vendors they say need to do better. My guess is zero.

Bottom line, we're all really fucking dumb and we all want cheap gear.
 
Spot on. I'm curious how many of the people supporting these efforts have stopped buying from the vendors they say need to do better. My guess is zero.

Bottom line, we're all really fucking dumb and we all want cheap gear.

Well I stopped buying oils well before this endeavour started.

We all said already that we ain't gonna stop injecting but we can try to see what harm we are doing to ourselves in a more in-depth way and maybe learn a new thing or two on how to reduce that harm.

You know an old idiot of a home brewer a month ago told me I'm a retard for testing the purity of my RAWS as they all come good anyway and I'm just wasting money and I'm the product of this generation of faggots that needs to test everything.

I don't see much difference here from the above statement. We are smarter than that idiot but we are pushing back on something that maybe show us something new and interesting.

Why? I have no clue sincerely... It's not like you are paying for the tests right?

Actually most of the ppl in general here haven't spend a dime in testing shit. Still they keep talking and talking and talking..
 
Combat triage sounds like the perfect paradigm with which to base harm reduction efforts for the AAS using community. Many have truly let the government's criminalization efforts turn them to naked self loathing. No thanks.
It has nothing to do with government or any of that shit, because, I don't live in U.S. of Yanks, my government doesn't give two shits about AAS.

You are so fixed in your crusade mate you miss the point.

We just agree to disagree. Good luck with your efforts, may all you seek come to fruition.
 
And on that note of complete rationalization...

Appreciate the feedback. There's nothing really worth fixing here. Good points, I don't share the above philosophy. I should start my own community of maybe three people haha.
Sorry man, I feel bad that most, myself included will sacrifice or am already sacrificing our healths just to look better.

If your crusade finds the support then that’s great for the community if vendors would do meticulous testing but I won’t hold my breath or will I stop using my homebrews. I will pay more attention to my diet because I know eating all that damn raisin bran will kill me before the endotoxins lol.
 
It has nothing to do with government or any of that shit, because, I don't live in U.S. of Yanks, my government doesn't give two shits about AAS.

You are so fixed in your crusade mate you miss the point.

We just agree to disagree. Good luck with your efforts, may all you seek come to fruition.
I like your government
 
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