I CHOSE THE DARK SIDE, brethren! 350mg Test E + Tbol finisher

[broschmo]

Yo,

I'ma try to keep the intro straight to the point...
Feel free to pitch in, give me your opinion on everything from diet, to training split, to gear.
Keep me accountable, meso!

I always did sports from a young age - football (the real kind, not handegg), basketball, martial arts - been training consistently in the gym for the last 3.5 years after a long time off to focus on MMA. Before that, from 15 to 19 I was more focused in partying and playing gigs.
This last 3 years I mostly focused on powerlifting or "powerbuilding" as some like to call it now...

Been studying sport science for the last year.

Feeling like a hit a plateau in terms of muscle building. Recovery is a fucking bitch aswell.
Strength wise I feel like I have more in the tank with good programming but I don't just want to break plateaus in the future, I want to challenge not just my natural limits but my actual, physiological, human limits.
IT'S A FUCKING MINSET, BABY!

Age - 27
Height - 5'9 (176cm)
Weight - 195lbs (88kg)
BF% ~ 15% (self-assesed)

Current lifts as for last 1RMs pre-cut (I'll upload later this week, will probably do a mock meet just to acess how my strength is post-cut and going into my first mini-blast):
Squat - 385lbs (weakest lift)
Bench - 325lbs
Deadlift (sumo) - 500lbs
Total - 1210lbs

Blast (16 weeks) - starting next week or as soon as the courier gets my feline power delivered @Liska
Test E 350mg EOD - w1 to w16
Turinabol 30mg pre-workout - w10 to w16
Aromasin - on hand, will deploy only if needed based on mid-bloods & sides
(no PCT, straight to cruise at lowest effective dose - TRT)

Current Calories on Maintenance/Deload pre-blast ~ 3100-3200kcal
Calories for blast - considering bumping that up to anywhere between 3800-4000kcal (will weigh myself everyday and establish average weight as per usual, adjusting as needed)
Macros - will be lenient, tracking mostly for protein, trying to keep it around .8-1g/lb, mostly from whole foods.

Will be running an hypertrophy-focused block to bring up some weaker body parts, feel free to pitch in based on current pics in the links below:

1. Chest, shoulders, arms - Push-focused;
2. Hams, back, biceps - SLDL, horizontal-row focused;
3. Shoulders, chest, calves - Shoulder abduction focused, rear-delts and chest peak-contraction;
4. Back, triceps - Lat-focused (shoulder extension), elbow extension;
5. Chest, shoulders, calves & biceps - low weight, high volume, metabolic

Chest - 3x/week;
Shoulders - 3/week;
Back - 2x/week;
Calves - 2x/week;
Biceps - 3x/week;
Triceps - 2x/week
Quads/Hams - 1x week
Will sprinkle in more calve work if needed and time permits...

Natty progression and current pics below (will try to take progress pics every week and replicate the "current" poses as well as I can. It also gives me an excuse to train my posing. I objectively suck at it and will appreciate some help in that area):

Childhood
Baseline
Only MMA
Peak Bulk
Peak cut
Current

Will try to post baseline bloods next week or as soon as they're available aswell.

LET THE GAINS BEGIN!

 

[broschmo]

I forgot to mention this is my first cycle, should be obvious by the title tho.

 

[cochino]

350 mg test eod is way too much for your 1st cycle. I like the tbol at the end.
For me I would decrease the Test to 300mg twice a week and up the tbol to 50 mg. For me at least I don't get much out of tbol on less than that.

 

[Methyl Mike]

If you start getting gyno or other side effects indicating your taking too much test, use less of it. In fact I would advise you titrate up slowly starting with 250mgs weekly and slowly ramp up by maybe 100-200mgs a week every couple weeks until you hit your sweet spot and stay there until satisfied. If you are worried about gyno get some letro and keep on hand for EMERGENCIES and only to shrink something, NOT for estrogen maintenance. For that you use more or less test. I am almost totally against using anti estrogens. They kill gains and wreak havoc on lipids. Go for the long term m8, always think about the long term.

Best luck

 

[Methyl Mike]

Also in racing there is a saying "there is no replacement for displacement." It means simply a bigger engine will always be capable.of more power than a smaller one. Your metabolism is your engine, its whats powering your body. Feed the machine. Learn to eat. If you want to.gain the most muscle possible forget about tbol and steroids in general other than test and focus on testosterone at the correct dosage for your body and put all.remaining energies into eating. If you arent exhausted from.forcing food every couple hours, you arent doing it right.

 

[Methyl Mike]

350 mg test eod is way too much for your 1st cycle. I like the tbol at the end.
For me I would decrease the Test to 300mg twice a week and up the tbol to 50 mg. For me at least I don't get much out of tbol on less than that.

I don't like your advice at all. There is no way for anyone to know if 600mgs test is right for him. If his estrogen and prolactin are super high and he adds that much test he will be losing time and initiative putting out small fires. Tbol unnecessary. My .02$ with all due respect.

 

[cochino]

I don't like your advice at all. There is no way for anyone to know if 600mgs test is right for him. If his estrogen and prolactin are super high and he adds that much test he will be losing time and initiative putting out small fires. Tbol unnecessary. My .02$ with all due respect.

Dude he has Aromasin on hand if his estrogen spikes and he will be getting bloodwork done. Tbol is a mild oral and by week 10, 4 weeks after blood is drawn he should know how he reacts to testosterone.
500 mg is usually the standard 1st cycle dose so I suppose he could start there. I don't think an extra 100 mg is going to make him grow a 3rd tit.

 

[Methyl Mike]

We agree to disagree.

 

[broschmo]

I don't like your advice at all. There is no way for anyone to know if 600mgs test is right for him. If his estrogen and prolactin are super high and he adds that much test he will be losing time and initiative putting out small fires. Tbol unnecessary. My .02$ with all due respect.

Hey broskis,

Maybe my post is formated in a way that generates a bit of confusion.

When I say 350mg Test EOD, I meant 350mg split in 4 days, basically 87.5mg EOD.

I realize now how that may generate some confusion, I would never start that high.

Tbol is only there because I had to get something else to fulfill the order, haha.
I'll titrate accordingly.

Regarding diet, I'm pretty used to track my weight and food. I'm not a fan of dirty bulking because that just got me fat af mostly - as by "peak bulk" album. It was fun tho.

 

[Methyl Mike]

Hey broskis,

Maybe my post is formated in a way that generates a bit of confusion.

When I say 350mg Test EOD, I meant 350mg split in 4 days, basically 87.5mg EOD.

I realize now how that may generate some confusion, I would never start that high.

Tbol is only there because I had to get something else to fulfill the order, haha.
I'll titrate accordingly.

Regarding diet, I'm pretty used to track my weight and food. I'm not a fan of dirty bulking because that just got me fat af mostly - as by "peak bulk" album. It was fun tho.

I dont dirty bulk either. Doing it clean is ideal. And very difficult.

No clue at all why you would pin long ester test eod. I wouldnt do that. Every 3 days at most. First cycle make things easy on yourself. Easy, not more difficult and complicated.

 

[broschmo]

I dont dirty bulk either. Doing it clean is ideal. And very difficult.

No clue at all why you would pin long ester test eod. I wouldnt do that. Every 3 days at most. First cycle make things easy on yourself. Easy, not more difficult and complicated.

I'm doing it EOD because the carrier oil is MCT and it clears the depot faster than other oils and I wan't to keep my hormone levels as stable as possible so as to not need an AI or just a tiny bit because, like you, I'm also not a big fan of their side effects.
I don't mind pinning EOD but I will change protocol if I find the PIP is too hard or it is too inconviniet.

 

[Anabolicazzhole]

There he is! Big guy!
glad to see your log up, I’ll be subbing forsure. Im doing a tbol finisher with my test-e as well hah, it’ll be fun to compare our cycles.

 

[broschmo]

There he is! Big guy!
glad to see your log up, I’ll be subbing forsure. Im doing a tbol finisher with my test-e as well hah, it’ll be fun to compare our cycles.

Yes ma dude, couple of similar cycles starting around the same time here in the board, will be fun to compare the results!

 

[broschmo]

Ok, so while I wait for my goods to arrive (DPD sucks major balls)...
I figured I should get started with my new hypertrophy block and get some pics going after today's session, I think it will be cool to keep this as detailed as possible so in the future I'll include post-workout progress pics to keep me motivated and also see differences in pump from week to week.
I would also like you guys to acess my physique and call out what you think are my weak points - inb4 everything - so I can adjust training if necessary.
Would also like to reiterate that I won't be doing 350mg Test EOD, rather 350mg/week EOD. Hope that clears it up.

28/06/2021
Kcal - bumped to 3500kcal (clean-ish) can post a full-day of eating if you guys are interested.
Health supps - My Protein Alpha Man; Omega 3 (360/240) 4 capsules; 5g creatine; 15g Vitafiber - will include NAC and D3 in the future

Week 1, Day 1 - Chest, shoulder & arms

Down here you can see some pics taken after today's session, currently sitting at around 195lbs (88kg)
My training split for the week is also in the pics.

 

[Forthewin1123]

Yo,

I'ma try to keep the intro straight to the point...
Feel free to pitch in, give me your opinion on everything from diet, to training split, to gear.
Keep me accountable, meso!

I always did sports from a young age - football (the real kind, not handegg), basketball, martial arts - been training consistently in the gym for the last 3.5 years after a long time off to focus on MMA. Before that, from 15 to 19 I was more focused in partying and playing gigs.
This last 3 years I mostly focused on powerlifting or "powerbuilding" as some like to call it now...

Been studying sport science for the last year.

Feeling like a hit a plateau in terms of muscle building. Recovery is a fucking bitch aswell.
Strength wise I feel like I have more in the tank with good programming but I don't just want to break plateaus in the future, I want to challenge not just my natural limits but my actual, physiological, human limits.
IT'S A FUCKING MINSET, BABY!

Age - 27
Height - 5'9 (176cm)
Weight - 195lbs (88kg)
BF% ~ 15% (self-assesed)

Current lifts as for last 1RMs pre-cut (I'll upload later this week, will probably do a mock meet just to acess how my strength is post-cut and going into my first mini-blast):
Squat - 385lbs (weakest lift)
Bench - 325lbs
Deadlift (sumo) - 500lbs
Total - 1210lbs

Blast (16 weeks) - starting next week or as soon as the courier gets my feline power delivered @Liska
Test E 350mg EOD - w1 to w16
Turinabol 30mg pre-workout - w10 to w16
Aromasin - on hand, will deploy only if needed based on mid-bloods & sides
(no PCT, straight to cruise at lowest effective dose - TRT)

Current Calories on Maintenance/Deload pre-blast ~ 3100-3200kcal
Calories for blast - considering bumping that up to anywhere between 3800-4000kcal (will weigh myself everyday and establish average weight as per usual, adjusting as needed)
Macros - will be lenient, tracking mostly for protein, trying to keep it around .8-1g/lb, mostly from whole foods.

Will be running an hypertrophy-focused block to bring up some weaker body parts, feel free to pitch in based on current pics in the links below:

1. Chest, shoulders, arms - Push-focused;
2. Hams, back, biceps - SLDL, horizontal-row focused;
3. Shoulders, chest, calves - Shoulder abduction focused, rear-delts and chest peak-contraction;
4. Back, triceps - Lat-focused (shoulder extension), elbow extension;
5. Chest, shoulders, calves & biceps - low weight, high volume, metabolic

Chest - 3x/week;
Shoulders - 3/week;
Back - 2x/week;
Calves - 2x/week;
Biceps - 3x/week;
Triceps - 2x/week
Quads/Hams - 1x week
Will sprinkle in more calve work if needed and time permits...

Natty progression and current pics below (will try to take progress pics every week and replicate the "current" poses as well as I can. It also gives me an excuse to train my posing. I objectively suck at it and will appreciate some help in that area):

Childhood
Baseline
Only MMA
Peak Bulk
Peak cut
Current

Will try to post baseline bloods next week or as soon as they're available aswell.

LET THE GAINS BEGIN!

350mg a wk total correct? Not.350 eod.. if.350 total I say go.for it.. you already habe built a great physique natural so you can diet and lift.. 350 is a.very conservative and safe starting dose.. you.should see some good results and.any side effects should be.minimal and easily managed for a first timer like yourself.... i think your gonna be fine.. I did 500 my first time and it was easy for me
.

 

[broschmo]

350mg a wk total correct? Not.350 eod.. if.350 total I say go.for it.. you already habe built a great physique natural so you can diet and lift.. 350 is a.very conservative and safe starting dose.. you.should see some good results and.any side effects should be.minimal and easily managed for a first timer like yourself.... i think your gonna be fine.. I did 500 my first time and it was easy for me
.

Yea, the way I presented it was not the best but I clarified in later posts.
350mg/week EOD. Will acess side effects and increase dosage if needed.

Thanks for the compliment, bro.

 

[Antic]

Great base and strength stats bro. I'm starting this week on first cycle also and have very similar stats (not as strong as you yet) so will follow along closely. I really like your split . Are you recovered enough 2 days later to hit the same body part again 2 days later? I'd love to hit three times a week but I can only do that with calves and delts and still hit numbers. Excited for you.

 

[broschmo]

Great base and strength stats bro. I'm starting this week on first cycle also and have very similar stats (not as strong as you yet) so will follow along closely. I really like your split . Are you recovered enough 2 days later to hit the same body part again 2 days later? I'd love to hit three times a week but I can only do that with calves and delts and still hit numbers. Excited for you.

Thanks, brah!

Yea, different body parts recover differently but this is after a couple years of diligently tracking all my workouts so I kinda know what I can and cannot do.
Biceps recover like in 24h hours for me (keep in mind I'm not doing 12 sets in one day, rather splitting it in a couple days and trying to not only hit them on back days like a tradition PPL because I feel I have to work on them.
I'm also counting on some recovery gains while on cycle so I made this split considering that.
I have it planned out for the next 16 weeks and will change some things here and there from meso to meso (every 4 weeks) and I usually deload every 5th week.
Intensity will be ramping up from week to week and maybe even volume if I feel recovered enough.
I also adjusted and lowered leg volume so as to "make room" for increased volume on other weak body parts, I have naturally thick thigs so I'm trying to balance it out a bit and I also ran myself into a hole last training block experimenting with Conjugate/Concurrent peridoziation and High Volume, my knees are still fn killing me, haha.

 

[NLM36]

I’m following. I love logs. Good luck. Have you ever read anything by Ben Pakulski(?)
His Mi40 might be up your alley.

 

[broschmo]

I’m following. I love logs. Good luck. Have you ever read anything by Ben Pakulski(?)
His Mi40 might be up your alley.

Hey bro, thanks, don't forget to break my balls if my results are "meh", haha.

I did but not in depth, mostly his vids on YT. He seems to have an interesting training philosophy, very valid for someone like me who mostly trained for strength in these last 3 years - focusing on pre-activation, mind-muscle connection, etc. That's what I kinda did in these 2 weeks of deload before starting this block. Figuring out what exercises and rep ranges gave me the best SFR and allowed me to feel the contraction better. I also like the approach of increasing intensity/volume before a deload, that's what I always do.

He seems to be very pushy on TUT tho and I don't really give that too much importance. I control the excentric in most movements but I'm not timing them.
Gotta read up on some of his stuff, any online sources for his more in-depth work?