IGF1 LR3

[Intrepid]

You lucky 6'3 guys around here. I'm 5'11, 215, ~9% BF so our builds sound similar. Our cycles and diet are also very similar it sounds like.

That doesn't sound like enough carbs for your relatively large insulin dose. But if it works, it works

I recently dropped GH entirely to see if my awful lethargy goes away. Had been dosing 18 IU before bed.

Cheers.

have you had your thyroid checked, or do you take t4? on 18iu id imagine you'll need to supplement t4 (supplementing t4 helped fix a lot of my gh lethargy. not all of it, but most of it)

 

[Xplicit]

it's actually an interesting perspective (using IGF1-LR3 when slins not in) because IGF1-lr3 seems to increase insulin sensitivity, reduce blood glucose, increase lipolysis and the mobilization and burning of free fatty acids.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't consider the protocol of 4 weeks of insulin, then taking a break, then doing a 4 week cycle of IGF1 to let insulin resistance reset, and to optimize insulin sensitivity again. I could see how your idea would work though if you only ran insulin 1-2x a week on your legs/back days, then the other days you use the IGF-1--like you said you might be able to run the IGF-1 longer than 4 weeks with this method. This is something I'll have to play with

what dosage of LR3 would you reccomend? i've seen anything from 50mcg to 200mcg, with timing ranging from pre workout to post workout

I think my plan at the moment (subject to change as i learn more) is to keep the gh in at 13.33iu/day split into 2 dosages am+pm, insulin on my leg and back days, then for the moment I'll probably do like 100mcg (?) pre workout for 4 weeks -- with the goal of the GH + insulin + IGF1-lr3 boosting systemic IGF reponse, then I'll have the tren reducing system IGF, and shuttling IGF into the muscles (thereby increasing local IGF)

From our past conversations you know this has been the... game changer for me. Mixing the above in a protocol that is sustainable long term.

What those doses, time frames, support supplements, etc will look like for each of us will be different.

In theory, with the right diet/supplements, 3 to 4x a week insulin pre/post workout and IGF LR3 at a seperate meal would be a very sustainable approach without the need to cycle the insulin or IGF LR3.

IGF LR3 doses... individual but hunt down type IIs posts and you will see 100mcg is a drop in the bucket.

Thats not to say it isnt useful, and its the more affordable realistic use for it, viewing it as *insulin light* but doses can go much higher.

 

[bjjgear]

have you had your thyroid checked, or do you take t4? on 18iu id imagine you'll need to supplement t4 (supplementing t4 helped fix a lot of my gh lethargy. not all of it, but most of it)

Started 150 mcg/d a week or so ago. Hoping it eventually helps.

 

[BP_6]

It will be interesting to see if the Chinese will be able to duplicate and make a valid generic form of Ngenla.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Yes. But was his weekly dosage?

yes was weekly

His dose was 60 mg/wk? There must be a mistake.

 

[mochul]

His dose was 60 mg/wk? There must be a mistake.

I think he mentioned he aas using the 60mg pen. Not the dose

 

[brutaltarik]

His dose was 60 mg/wk? There must be a mistake.

I think Chase Irons was using 1x 24mg pen every other day but I might be misremembering

 

[mochul]

I think Chase Irons was using 1x 24mg pen every other day but I might be misremembering

He is dump doing it for youtube. He backed off very fast from that dosage iirc