Injecting w a 29 g half inch insulin needle

[ILikeExperiments]

Hey there everyone, starting my first cycle soon of 300mg Test E weekly injected EOD, but my question is as follows:

I'm going to draw the oil and backload it into an insulin syringe that's 29 gauge 1/2 inch (12.7mm), will the needle be deep enough for subQ / shallow IM administration EOD?


Thank you in advance.

 

[RaddishPork]

Should work just fine as long as you’re not super fat.

People put way too much emphasis on shallow / deep / subq injections. As long as you put the oil in your body properly it’s going to get absorbed.

You can rotate between pecs, delts, lats, ventroglutes, glutes, quads, etc.
I’ve even heard of people using traps and biceps if they’re big enough. Not sure if I’d test that one myself though.

 

[simplysimple]

I don't know how much body fat you have but if reasonable then anywhere in the quad.

While putting in make sure it's perpendicular and push in slowly. You can feel likely feel veins and nerves sometimes that with a slight wiggle you can steer around.

Drawing out is fine but slow and backloading is a good call. You can order a 23 ga for drawing up and backload that into the 29. That's even better.

Yes done hundreds of times, only pip with MCT carrier. Grape seed much better imo.

 

[ILikeExperiments]

I don't know how much body fat you have but if reasonable then anywhere in the quad.

While putting in make sure it's perpendicular and push in slowly. You can feel likely feel veins and nerves sometimes that with a slight wiggle you can steer around.

Drawing out is fine but slow and backloading is a good call. You can order a 23 ga for drawing up and backload that into the 29. That's even better.

Yes done hundreds of times, only pip with MCT carrier. Grape seed much better imo.

That's exactly what I'm doing.

 

[ILikeExperiments]

Should work just fine as long as you’re not super fat.

People put way too much emphasis on shallow / deep / subq injections. As long as you put the oil in your body properly it’s going to get absorbed.

You can rotate between pecs, delts, lats, ventroglutes, glutes, quads, etc.
I’ve even heard of people using traps and biceps if they’re big enough. Not sure if I’d test that one myself though.

Yeah, I'm planning to cut down pretty low naturally so I can go subQ as long as I possibly can.

 

[Black90tsi]

I use 29g 1/2" for my every day trt shots. I have no problem hitting delts and quads. I will suggest you either get a small heating pad or run the filled pin under hot water for a bit before trying to inject. I let mine sit in a a heating pad on low while im showering then use it when i get out. The amount of pressure and time required to get the fluid out when cold is significantly more than when it's warm.

 

[Eddie.]

In my opinion you have to chose a method of administration and stick with it. Subq, shallow, deep.. don't mix them because you'll end up messing absorption times.

If you want to do subq, pinning in glutes only with a 29G is more than enough.

If you go for IM do it IM, don't pin 2 days in delts and then rotate in VG or DG which most probably a 29G won't reach the surface of the muscle and that will end up being a subq.

Shallow IM i haven't tried it but i would avoid it, better be sure that goes in muscle instead of debating it. 1in or 1 1/4 for glutes and ventroglutes is fine. If you don't have any seperation in delts and you're quite bulky, i would chose 1in for delts too.

Otherwise you can try the subq route and be a lil patient because it takes sometime to build up. Some guys deal with irritation, lumps, itching and various unwanted stuff. I haven't encountered any side effect from subq yet.

 

[jdubzzz44]

I do Ed shots upper outer quads very high up and have no pip or issues at all. One day right side, next day left side and repeat. Its the easiest spot for me I wake up, sit on the couch, extend my leg and pull that side of my boxer shorts up do the shot with a preloaded insulin syringe. Takes like 20 seconds

 

[ILikeExperiments]

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In my opinion you have to chose a method of administration and stick with it. Subq, shallow, deep.. don't mix them because you'll end up messing absorption times.

If you want to do subq, pinning in glutes only with a 29G is more than enough.

If you go for IM do it IM, don't pin 2 days in delts and then rotate in VG or DG which most probably a 29G won't reach the surface of the muscle and that will end up being a subq.

Shallow IM i haven't tried it but i would avoid it, better be sure that goes in muscle instead of debating it. 1in or 1 1/4 for glutes and ventroglutes is fine. If you don't have any seperation in delts and you're quite bulky, i would chose 1in for delts too.

Otherwise you can try the subq route and be a lil patient because it takes sometime to build up. Some guys deal with irritation, lumps, itching and various unwanted stuff. I haven't encountered any side effect from subq yet.

I have a 23 gauge 1 inch needle as well, but I'm worried about tissue scarring, that's why I'm thinking of using a 29 gauge 1/2 inch insulin needle for my traps, quads, delts and lats so worst case scenario it hits subq / shallow sub q.

 

[grey]

Done it a thousand time... it'll work just fine...

 

[Eddie.]

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I have a 23 gauge 1 inch needle as well, but I'm worried about tissue scarring, that's why I'm thinking of using a 29 gauge 1/2 inch insulin needle for my traps, quads, delts and lats so worst case scenario it hits subq / shallow sub q.

No reason for 23, is unnecessarily big. 25G 1in is what most ppl use for IM injections now. I use exclusively 29G half inch since i started, i used to backload, warm up syringes and stuff..nowadays i draw and pin with the 29G straight away, no heating at all. Everything goes smooth.

 

[RaddishPork]

In my opinion you have to chose a method of administration and stick with it. Subq, shallow, deep.. don't mix them because you'll end up messing absorption times.

If you want to do subq, pinning in glutes only with a 29G is more than enough.

If you go for IM do it IM, don't pin 2 days in delts and then rotate in VG or DG which most probably a 29G won't reach the surface of the muscle and that will end up being a subq.

Shallow IM i haven't tried it but i would avoid it, better be sure that goes in muscle instead of debating it. 1in or 1 1/4 for glutes and ventroglutes is fine. If you don't have any seperation in delts and you're quite bulky, i would chose 1in for delts too.

Otherwise you can try the subq route and be a lil patient because it takes sometime to build up. Some guys deal with irritation, lumps, itching and various unwanted stuff. I haven't encountered any side effect from subq yet.

The absorption rates are negligible. If you're using any ester longer than prop or acetate, it will make absolutely no difference where you're injecting in the grand scheme of things. The half life for most esters is 5+ days, it's not going to make a difference if the absorption rate is a few hours more or less.

This debate of "shallow" IM vs regular IM wasn't even a topic until a few months ago. Guys have been rotating every muscle with various needle lengths for half a century now.

This is a perfect example of caring too much about what's "optimal" and losing sight of the big picture. Put the drug in your body. Go workout. Eat right. Rest right. You will get results.

 

[xrayphoton13]

Hey there everyone, starting my first cycle soon of 300mg Test E weekly injected EOD, but my question is as follows:

I'm going to draw the oil and backload it into an insulin syringe that's 29 gauge 1/2 inch (12.7mm), will the needle be deep enough for subQ / shallow IM administration EOD?


Thank you in advance.

I use the same one for IM 3x/week and have no issue. I pull it from the vial in that same syringe. What's the point in backfilling? That will take longer than just pulling in that syringe and then injecting. Just inject a cc of air in the vial first and then draw it out. It will be slow but not unreasonable. You don't need to heat up the vial to pull it through and you dont need to heat up the syringe to inject. Just keep it simple. At least try it that way first. Add more steps later if you need to. I only see backfilling being worth it if you plan to load a week's worth of syringes at once

 

[Nemesis RR]

Hey there everyone, starting my first cycle soon of 300mg Test E weekly injected EOD, but my question is as follows:

I'm going to draw the oil and backload it into an insulin syringe that's 29 gauge 1/2 inch (12.7mm), will the needle be deep enough for subQ / shallow IM administration EOD?


Thank you in advance.

Will work no problems. I use a smaller insulin needle and inject into my glute.

 

[TomGlass]

@ILikeExperiments

I'm gonna give this dead horse another kick. I've used 8mm insulin syringes in my delts and currently using 12.7mm. Insulin syringes are the bee's knees and beat the hell outta 25g delt shots. I'd never use 23g for any injection. I don't backload and just draw with the insulin syringe although I do heat my vials up before use. I still use 25g for glutes and larger volume shots.

 

[Eddie.]

The absorption rates are negligible. If you're using any ester longer than prop or acetate, it will make absolutely no difference where you're injecting in the grand scheme of things. The half life for most esters is 5+ days, it's not going to make a difference if the absorption rate is a few hours more or less.

This debate of "shallow" IM vs regular IM wasn't even a topic until a few months ago. Guys have been rotating every muscle with various needle lengths for half a century now.

This is a perfect example of caring too much about what's "optimal" and losing sight of the big picture. Put the drug in your body. Go workout. Eat right. Rest right. You will get results.

This is false. Unless 2-3 weeks difference in peak concentration for you is negligible. I drew bloods in 5th week and my test levels went from 650 (natty) to 930. After 8 weeks were on 1450. Most of the guys pinning test E IM peak around week 5 or 6, so subq definitely makes a difference. Just to clarify this.

If you wanna pin one day subq and the next one IM you can do it by all means, if it's for convenience i'm all in.. Is it the most optimal? No.

From what i've seen here in similar threads most guys rotate sites with the same gauge needles, i haven't heard of anyone using a different length of needle for specific sites. Most common is 25G 1in for oils and slin pins for peptides and GH.

 

[ILikeExperiments]

This is false. Unless 2-3 weeks difference in peak concentration for you is negligible. I drew bloods in 5th week and my test levels went from 650 (natty) to 930. After 8 weeks were on 1450. Most of the guys pinning test E IM peak around week 5 or 6, so subq definitely makes a difference. Just to clarify this.

If you wanna pin one day subq and the next one IM you can do it by all means, if it's for convenience i'm all in.. Is it the most optimal? No.

From what i've seen here in similar threads most guys rotate sites with the same gauge needles, i haven't heard of anyone using a different length of needle for specific sites. Most common is 25G 1in for oils and slin pins for peptides and GH.

So wait, I don't understand, does that mean SubQ has slower absorption or what exactly?

 

[Eddie.]

So wait, I don't understand, does that mean SubQ has slower absorption or what exactly?

Correct. Blood circulation in adipose tissue is less compared to muscle tissue, that results to a slower release from the depot.

Slower absorption means more steady hormone levels and with frequent pinning you don't have peaks and troughs. Some guys prefer the androgen load from bolus dosages, some like it steady. This needs self experimentation to address it.

If you're proned to acne for example or mood swings from hormonal fluctuations or you aromatize easy then keeping hormones balanced is advised.

In my opinion guys who want to run short cycles or cycle and PCT then it's better to not mess with subq. Do it the old way, reach your peak levels faster and return to basal faster.

 

[ILikeExperiments]

Correct. Blood circulation in adipose tissue is less compared to muscle tissue, that results to a slower release from the depot.

Slower absorption means more steady hormone levels and with frequent pinning you don't have peaks and troughs. Some guys prefer the androgen load from bolus dosages, some like it steady. This needs self experimentation to address it.

If you're proned to acne for example or mood swings from hormonal fluctuations or you aromatize easy then keeping hormones balanced is advised.

In my opinion guys who want to run short cycles or cycle and PCT then it's better to not mess with subq. Do it the old way, reach your peak levels faster and return to basal faster.

I see, would you recommend SubQ with EOD injection frequency or not?

 

[jJjburton]

I see, would you recommend SubQ with EOD injection frequency or not?

Dont do sub Q, it only leads to huge welts and issues. 50 or more percent of people have problems sub q, and then 2 people will say it has worked for them, thus in 2 months they then say, it was a mistake. It happens constantly.