Is recovery from blast and cruise even possible?

[TheGuyHere]

Man this is why I think blast, cruise, blast, PCT is the best pattern to follow.

4 years without jumping off is damn long and obviously you know that the longer you stay on, the longer it will take to recover. TRT completely out of the question? Lol. You can blast intermittently while on TRT.

 

[Ad_Suspicious801]

i felt better when i was natural also my libido was a monster when natural but then i got on opiates oxy cause my back and my libido died i had all symtoms of low t and now that im at 375mg test a week only i feel like i did before the oxycodone just like when i was a natty if it makes since?

 

[klokke23]

yes, its possible. didn't read earlier in the thread, but a few items of note-

- if you had low T in the first place, you will only "recover" to those levels you previously had. if anything, your baseline will probably be lower due to you being older and endogenous production trailing off simply as a function of age (not necessarily AAS induced hypogonadism). that being said, you will not "recover" to "higher" levels than you had pre-cycle.

- time on =/= time off or any shit like that. but it'll take a while. 6-12 months prob

- if you recently ran a 19nor, dont even bother PCTing until a good 1-2 years have passed - they're just that suppressive. run test / cruise / less nefarious compounds/ doses until that time has passed

- follow specific protocols recommended for this, not the decade old bro-lore. ive seen quite a handful of people recover from decade long BNCs, but they were armed with years of AAS experience and didn't pull their protocol off a single post on meso. it will take some research and a more nuanced understanding of pharmacology/biochemisty to really nail this down

- consider running HCG during BNC in moderate doses. not so much to desensitize your receptors, but enough to prevent testicular atrophy. atrophy represents permanent loss of function, and there are studies that show that long term HCG use does not "downregulate" LH or anything like that. there are other compounds you can consider as well (HMG, recombinant FSH), but those are pricier although they are prob more effective as well

Do we really need that reddit broscience here?

 

[EamonDeValera]

All was going well until today. My package which had some more Hcg has been seized .

This should be interesting.....

First time?

P.S Vote Sinn Fein

 

[ManK]

How do you feel at those levels?

What were you pre B&C TT levels?

You cycle now right?

1) i feel fine, obvious, i feel better with 750 test, but that is not normal :-D
2) was around the same levels
3) i just started a new cycle 2 weeks agò

i decided i'll never make long blast and cruise, i prefer make a pct 1 time year until my ball can recover

i tried trt, but ... real trt with real normal range tt level (not ridicule bodybuilder trt that give high hematocrit and big prostate and is simply a low dose cycle not a trt) don't add me anything more then what i can have with pct.

 

[FH93]

I blasted and cruised for 2 years. Did a PCT that was 2x normal length and it wasn't long enough. Took me a year to recover, and my last blast was with Tren too.

Back on the blasting and cruising for life now though, although will mostly cruise at trt dosages.

 

[ManK]

You are wasting your time. It's not possible to return to normal levels after 4 years of being on, no damn way and I don't care what type of power PCT or herbs you are taking. No way in hell you are going to come back, and with levels diminishing after 35 yrs old anyways, why would you even attempt that? The quality of life is going to be absolute garbage bro, it's not worth it

is not true for everyone...
i use gear since 2014, first 2 years i made cycles and pct, then i choosed cycles and trt. In 2019 and in 2020 i tried 2 pct and both case i recovered my older tt levels....
and today i am 51y old

 

[jerrynew]

I stopped a 5 year BnC in November 2021.

Feel great. Still need to get bloods done but won't until Ocotber (heading on vacation to the states in September for 2 weeks and don't want a number fuckimg with my head. Even if my test is low right now I still feel great so why ruin it?)

Stopped taking anything in June 2021 and started running 1000 hcg eod until the start of November. After that ran Clomid and Nolva 50/50/50/50 and 40/40/40/20/20. First 4 weeks anxiety was bad and energy levels libido at an all time low.

Now I've no anxiety. Back at the gym full steam ahead and libido noticeably increasing each week.

The balls have got much bigger but still growing.

Will keep updating with any major changes and will 100% upload bloods in October

You are giving me a hope. I am on HCG for 7 weeks with test in range but the bottom of the range. Also have axiety and libido issues.

It seems I need more time (I am 42, only 2-3 years on gear).

Please can you tell me how your testosterone increased over time? Did test changed (increased) every month or it was low at the begging and after 6 month big bang?

I just hope I will recover to decent level without libido issues.

 

[jerrynew]

I blasted and cruised for 2 years. Did a PCT that was 2x normal length and it wasn't long enough. Took me a year to recover, and my last blast was with Tren too.

Back on the blasting and cruising for life now though, although will mostly cruise at trt dosages.

I am in similar situation. Currently close to 2 months of PCT with test 320 ng/dl. I was worried that I will not recover, but perhaps I just need more time. I hope.

I will continue with HCG + Clomid.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

4 years of clomid and or Tamoxifen holy shit... well good luck

Couldn't imagine that. Feeling like shit for 4 years. Best to just stay on.

 

[IrishJuice]

Approaching a year soon. I'll have to have bloods ready for the big day!

First couple of weeks where a bit hard. Mostly the anxiety every morning i woke up was extremely bad but but only lasted for about 30 mins. Energy levels took a few weeks to feel anything back to normal

Quite surprised at how much muscle mass I kept. I thought I would lose alot of my gains but nope, most stayed around

When I got back into the gym training g naturally my lifts started to go up pretty fast which was great to see and although I kept size I lost a ridiculous amount of strength

as it stands now 10 months on I'm in a much healthier and emotionally better place.

I feel 80% recovered and pray the bloods back me up on this.

All in all I thought it was going to be a much bigger obstacle to achieve but realiscly I just ran some hcg... then PCT... then waited. each day got better, each week got better and each minute seems to have getting better.

Will update when I have my bloods back taking in November or January (have decided which month yet)...
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I mentally feel that even if the numbers come back on the low side of things, I'd rather give it more time than play around with anything else. seems like our friend time is doing wonders at the moment

 

[Demondosage]

Approaching a year soon. I'll have to have bloods ready for the big day!

First couple of weeks where a bit hard. Mostly the anxiety every morning i woke up was extremely bad but but only lasted for about 30 mins. Energy levels took a few weeks to feel anything back to normal

Quite surprised at how much muscle mass I kept. I thought I would lose alot of my gains but nope, most stayed around

When I got back into the gym training g naturally my lifts started to go up pretty fast which was great to see and although I kept size I lost a ridiculous amount of strength

as it stands now 10 months on I'm in a much healthier and emotionally better place.

I feel 80% recovered and pray the bloods back me up on this.

All in all I thought it was going to be a much bigger obstacle to achieve but realiscly I just ran some hcg... then PCT... then waited. each day got better, each week got better and each minute seems to have getting better.

Will update when I have my bloods back taking in November or January (have decided which month yet)...
.
I mentally feel that even if the numbers come back on the low side of things, I'd rather give it more time than play around with anything else. seems like our friend time is doing wonders at the moment

I have a friend who was in the gutter with test levels for like 3 years straight, he eventually got back in the 500ish range at 47 years old. It’s possible. But his life was a mess for a few years as he braved out the storm

 

[God&Gainz]

You should have never picked up the needle if you weren't ready to pin for the rest of your life. Especially if you weren't following a traditional PCT protocol and decided to B&C.

It really isn't that big of a deal, with test U you can pin like 2x a month and you will have high test levels till the day you die.

Easy choice.

 

[ManK]

You should have never picked up the needle if you weren't ready to pin for the rest of your life. Especially if you weren't following a traditional PCT protocol and decided to B&C.

It really isn't that big of a deal, with test U you can pin like 2x a month and you will have high test levels till the day you die.

Easy choice.

very often (30%) also high hct levels....

 

[g-protein]

as it stands now 10 months on I'm in a much healthier and emotionally better place.

Can you elaborate what you mean by beiong in an emotionally better place?

 

[barbell001]

Why do so many guys moan on about having to pin just once a week to have test levels that are way better than any natty could possibly dream of - let alone a guy of 30 to 40+ years old??! One injection, done - remain much stronger and bigger than most of the male population. Pretty simple.

I never see people moaning about having to cook and eat a meal 3 to 4 times every single day - BUT 5 minutes to draw 1ml of Test E and inject it just once a week???!!! Jesus all the Damn effort involved in that - these are the type of people that NEVER should have got involved in steroids in the first place. No doubt the kind that trained for 2 weeks natty then jumped straight on a cycle.

 

[IrishJuice]

Why do so many guys moan on about having to pin just once a week to have test levels that are way better than any natty could possibly dream of - let alone a guy of 30 to 40+ years old??! One injection, done - remain much stronger and bigger than most of the male population. Pretty simple.

I never see people moaning about having to cook and eat a meal 3 to 4 times every single day - BUT 5 minutes to draw 1ml of Test E and inject it just once a week???!!! Jesus all the Damn effort involved in that - these are the type of people that NEVER should have got involved in steroids in the first place. No doubt the kind that trained for 2 weeks natty then jumped straight on a cycle.

You seem very emotional and angry, Steroids getting the better of you?

 

[Henchus maximus98736]

Does a bear shit in the woods?

 

[Henchus maximus98736]

How’s my mate getting on?

 

[The-Optimist]

I B&C'd for 3 years on mad cycles like an amp of Karachi Sus EOD, 400mg Tren / week, 4 weeks of 100mg / day of Thai Androlics on / 4 weeks off, repeat, same with Methyl-Tren, Superdrol, 60mg Blue Hearts, Novorapid. I stopped it all and never went back for about 5 years but I just ran 1000 iu's hCG for 2 weeks, 25mg Clomid and everything fired up fine. It is possible.