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Is recovery from blast and cruise even possible?

Just my 2 cents, I actually am a holistic practitioner/body worker for muscle rehab. And recovering natural test after years of suppression is definitely possible, but it takes dedication. Your body needs raw materials and you may not see results for about 6 months. I’ve seen people recover using combinations of well sourced shilajit, niacinamide, aspirin(natural Ai), detox from polyunsaturated fatty acids using vitamin e, oysters and systemic enzymes. It takes time and dedication but I’ve seen it done more than once.
 
Theworm said:
I am a member of peak testosterone; there was a fellow there that blogged his whole journey and ultimately failed after a few years and his conclusion was what a waste of 2 years of his life, etc.

He did extensive research and found almost zero cases of bounce back to normal levels. The only people who did had normal levels to begin with. That is, if you are prescribed test for low T, basically you have zero chance of getting off trt or blasts and cruise and get normal T levels.

My TT was 350 in my 20s, and despite that I have tried 10 failed pcts over the last 8 years but glad I’ve tried to know
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That's the deal - your doctor should've discussed with you before - one shot and it's for life. No going back. Don't need studies to 'discover' this wisdom.

That's not to say its impossible and could never happen and i dont know exactly what you are referring to with 'peak test', but to have a regimen of two years of exogenous test and think the result when you come of is going to be the same (or mostly worse) that levels pre, is a fool's errand.

Why would anybody start, if 'the same' was the 2 year goal? Then, after what we learned today, why would you stop.

Spinning wheels. Moving on.
 
This thread is disheartening.

genetic outliers do exist however. A friend of mine blasts for 6 months and then does an 8 week PCT and goes back ‘natural’ for four months. And repeats. The guy has been doing it for 12 years and he’s in good Knick.
 
I had great pre levels (not sure of the exact number but will find them) and decided to cycle. 1 cycle led to another and then the "blast and cruise" which lasted over 3 years.

Obviously young and naive is a horrible mix with steroids. Unfortunately like a lot of people my information was passed down by the "gym bros" rather than educating myself. After finally educating myself to some degree I realised how serious my situation is.


I will be running HCG for several months at roughly 2000 a week

check bloods and then move onto clomid and nolvadex for 8 weeks at 50/20

If anyone would like to pick holes at this recovery please work away
 
I’m not much older than you at 33, Look, go to your doctor. Believe it or not there actually is the infrastructure here for TRT clinics. There’s a dude that holds a private and public endocrinology clinic in Kildare. If anyone can help restart it’s him. My testosterone was low since I was a teen and I was in and out of the surgery getting bloods. Usual bollox here “Your testosterone is very low normal” and I always hit back with the “if a 70 year old man had these results would that also be the same? I should have higher testosterone than a 70 year old man”. I have up and just started getting my own. I’m currently running 90mg of test (175 test u a week), and I feel like I want to feel.
 
Let me ask a question, why would one wanna come off if you can feel so good at TT around 1000? Then blast and cruise for life without need of a pct?

I get it, a natural tt of 800 would be ideal but I never got above 388 even in my 20s...
 
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You are wasting your time. It's not possible to return to normal levels after 4 years of being on, no damn way and I don't care what type of power PCT or herbs you are taking. No way in hell you are going to come back, and with levels diminishing after 35 yrs old anyways, why would you even attempt that? The quality of life is going to be absolute garbage bro, it's not worth it
 
Demondosage said:
You are wasting your time. It's not possible to return to normal levels after 4 years of being on, no damn way and I don't care what type of power PCT or herbs you are taking. No way in hell you are going to come back, and with levels diminishing after 35 yrs old anyways, why would you even attempt that? The quality of life is going to be absolute garbage bro, it's not worth it
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After 4 years of trying and 10 pct attempts even with scaly protocol and lupron etc, I have to say demon is correct. Sure there may be a 1 in a million exception, but extremely rare.
 
100% possible. Most people don’t use near enough meds for near long enough to recover from b/c. 4-5 guys I’ve helped got off b/c, had a kid, and settled in a mid-physiological range for natural test. Its def doable. All were 24-30yo though.

Doesn’t mean your results will be the same and if you’re aging (35-40+) this gets infinitely harder. You should also never expect better test levels than when you started. And if you were prescribed TRT, why come off?
 
Theworm said:
After 4 years of trying and 10 pct attempts even with scaly protocol and lupron etc, I have to say demon is correct. Sure there may be a 1 in a million exception, but extremely rare.
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Where you put onto trt with low levels of test or Did you B&C?

I'm 28 and plan on running some hcg with low dosages for a while before using clomid and nolvadex.

I've come across 2 recoveries here. Birdie numnum and @ibncaleb both over 3+ years of use and bounced back.

Although I'm not holding my breath I do have a small bit of hope.

Birdie numnum had blood results to prove where he was at.

I've read a few recoveries after several years of blast and cruise on different sites but in fairness they where far and few between.

I always wondered if enough hcg and clomid/nolvadex and most importantly TIME was enough to get someone recovered who's test was high before B&C

Time shall tell with this one. Although more hopeful than confident on this.
 
IrishJuice said:
Where you put onto trt with low levels of test or Did you B&C?

I'm 28 and plan on running some hcg with low dosages for a while before using clomid and nolvadex.

I've come across 2 recoveries here. Birdie numnum and @ibncaleb both over 3+ years of use and bounced back.

Although I'm not holding my breath I do have a small bit of hope.

Birdie numnum had blood results to prove where he was at.

I've read a few recoveries after several years of blast and cruise on different sites but in fairness they where far and few between.

I always wondered if enough hcg and clomid/nolvadex and most importantly TIME was enough to get someone recovered who's test was high before B&C

Time shall tell with this one. Although more hopeful than confident on this.
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Well My tt was 388 at age 29. Had a vericocele and fixed it but numbers didn’t change much as it was a long standing vericocele. So I was put on trt eventually at age 35. For me, trt is wonderful, confidence, energy. I look back in my 20s and realize now it was low T. Worked out all the time, but was pathetically skinny etc, tired all the time, only hooked up with girls when drunk. Now my tt is 1000 and plenty of energy, work long hours and not tired, and plenty of confidence in all aspects of life.

One issue is I wish I was natural and had big balls etc without hcg and an AI... and when ur tt is 1000 I think I can feel this good natural but I come off and feel like shit.

I’m not sure about birdie num num, but I bet his TT was high to begin with. That is, the only few cases I saw a bounce back was when the person has high TT before blast and cruise and are also younger.

I’m sure he feels great, not sure what his levels are, but I bet he doesn’t feel as good as a guy with a TT above 1000...
 
Mac11wildcat said:
100% possible. Most people don’t use near enough meds for near long enough to recover from b/c. 4-5 guys I’ve helped got off b/c, had a kid, and settled in a mid-physiological range for natural test. Its def doable. All were 24-30yo though.

Doesn’t mean your results will be the same and if you’re aging (35-40+) this gets infinitely harder. You should also never expect better test levels than when you started. And if you were prescribed TRT, why come off?
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This.

I b&c'd for about 4-5 years in my 20s, went off with rather mild PCT, made a kid in 6th week of PCT, T levels well within range 6 months after going off, which is when I first checked them.
 
janoshik said:
This.

I b&c'd for about 4-5 years in my 20s, went off with rather mild PCT, made a kid in 6th week of PCT, T levels well within range 6 months after going off, which is when I first checked them.
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So what happened? Back on now?
 
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