Jano "The ultimate Con-man and Liar?" thread...You be the judge

[mands]

Prove that it did not come from Serono. I guess everything that doesn't test as it should you just dismiss to being counterfeit. Sort of like when Colt was told his Genotropin was underdosed 50%; only his IGF-1 levels proved that it was Jim's tests that were bogus, not the Genos.

This was discussed the problems on this and you bringing it up isn't helping Jano. Discrediting others doesn't help Crediting others in my book. This is about the lies Jano has spun.

I find it unlikely it was counterfeited if it was 50% underdosed. Seems more likely to me it would be completely bunk if it was counterfeited.

I'm interested to see how that sample turns out.

Usually counterfeits have some product in it to at least have some effect. I'm not saying the seros was counterfeit. We will know more after another lab tests and then another.

mands

 

[Dr JIM]

The Counterfeit Report

EMD acknowledged current counterfeits recently!

The SOURCE of counterfeits usually tells the entire story and the number one SOURCE for "PHARMACEUTICAL" GH counterfeits should be no surprise, CHINA, according to the DEA and FDA!

That being said PX has assured me that Sero is a US purchased product and if that is the case that SEROSTIM is UNDER DOSED, based on almost identical results from two
different analytical labs.

As I indicated earlier, another third lab will perform the FOURTH AAA and I've no reason to doubt their results will differ much from the first THREE assays.

 

[mands]

It doesn't, but neither does his story that he was given the package then asked to return it. Add to the fact that he happened to have an extra #17.

I told Muscles the package was open and so was the first aid kit. He knows it was he's just trying to stir the pot. All the contents were accounted for up to the the sterile wipes, band-aids, etc. except the ones I removed from the case to fit the vials. The vials were taped up with the band-aids from the vials exactly how they were sent.

I have a pic of the contents I pulled out of the kit before sending if you would like to see them.

mands

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Thats funny, you guys have yet to come up with an explanation for what happened to the package that mands sent that makes sense.

I wasn't aware it was our responsibility to provide an explanation for Jano's duplicity.

You are simply going by the fact that the package was returned with the same contents, but ignoring Janos explanation.

Jano's "explanation" is so full of holes you could drive a Mack truck through it.

Was the package seized?

That's what Jano said.

If it was refused and returned to sended than why would Jano say it was seized to both mands and I and then say he got it and tested it, when he knows its going back to a legit address.

He didn't know it was going to a legit address, that's why he asked Mands:

Hello Mr. Mands,
regarding the return address - did you provide your real address?

You say he is a scammer; how much money did he actually scam? Mands didn't pay a dime, has his GH back, and Jano didn't make a penny.

Irrelevant. Jano said he tested the GH when he didn't.

Jano said he will post the lab report later and that he doesn't have the raw data saved.

Convenient. Funny he didn't have the data for the standard he used either - the one you lied about being posted on ProMuscle.

What more do you want from him as proof? Why don't you first provide and actual story of what you think happened that makes sense before you try and throw someones business under the bus.

It's obvious to everyone what happened: Jano claimed to have tested the GH and he didn't. He lied. The logistics are irrelevant to everyone except those with a vested interest in his "business" - a business that provides bogus GH assays to GH sellers.

 

[muscle96ss]

I told Muscles the package was open and so was the first aid kit. He knows it was he's just trying to stir the pot. All the contents were accounted for up to the the sterile wipes, band-aids, etc. except the one I removed from the case to fit the vials. The vials were taped up with the band-aids from the vials exactly how they were sent.

I have a pic of the contents I pulled out if you would like to see them.

mands

I actually think that would be helpful, because if it were impossible to undo and redo then that would change everything. If it is possible to undo and redo than that jives with janos explanation.

 

[Wunderpus]

I'm failing to understand how this thread is still going on... If Mands received them back, obviously those vials were not tested. Even if he tested the same batch #, who cares? I don't even trust these labs to not use the same batch # for multiple batches. He should've tested Mands samples, and that's all. He did not, end of story, right?

 

[Dr JIM]

As I indicated earlier, another third lab will perform the FOURTH AAA and I've no reason to doubt their results will differ much from the first THREE assays.

Oh sorry yes our lab conducted a second AAA using a slightly different technique ro determine if the "matrix" was perhaps responsible for the lower than expected quantative result ------- NOT

 

[muscle96ss]

I wasn't aware it was our responsibility to provide an explanation for Jano's duplicity.



Jano's "explanation" is so full of holes you could drive a Mack truck through it.



That's what Jano said.



He didn't know it was going to a legit address, that's why he asked Mands:






Irrelevant. Jano said he tested the GH when he didn't.



Convenient. Funny he didn't have the data for the standard he used either - the one you lied about being posted on ProMuscle.



It's obvious to everyone what happened: Jano claimed to have tested the GH and he didn't. He lied. The logistics are irrelevant to everyone except those with a vested interest in his "business" - a business that provides bogus GH assays to GH sellers.

A couple of erroneous statements. First, mands was asked if it was a real address prior to the date that the item was returned. So, yes he did know it was going to a legit address.

Secondly I did not lie about anything. I thought that the standard was posted and when I looked at the thread I realized I had mistaken it for what was used in the purity testing and explained the whole scenario. You conveniently leave out important facts that don't jive with your spin. Because thats what you do, you go around sucking off Jim and twisting everybodys words around to make things look differently than they are. The whole time contributing nothing of importance to the thread and just hoping to get a little more ass from Jim.

 

[Wunderpus]

A couple of erroneous statements. First, mands was asked if it was a real address prior to the date that the item was returned. So, yes he did know it was going to a legit address.

Secondly I did not lie about anything. I thought that the standard was posted and when I looked at the thread I realized I had mistaken it for what was used in the purity testing and explained the whole scenario. You conveniently leave out important facts that don't jive with your spin. Because thats what you do, you go around sucking off Jim and twisting everybodys words around to make things look differently than they are. The whole time contributing nothing of importance to the thread and just hoping to get a little more ass from Jim.

Okay, not to clutter the thread, but are CBS and Jim actually hooking up? They both told me I was the only guy they were with.... Please tell me this is a joke.

*gun in mouth, waiting for response*

 

[janoshik]

You may be able to do what you claim. Your inconsistency only hurts your business.For your test to hold ground in the underworld ,where there is no honor among thiefs, Your reputation should be impeccable. You don't care to do that when you can't or won't show proof of your work. Your words are like Monopoly money only worth with in its own universe. In real world you will need concrete proof all the time not only when it's convenient for you. I'm done interacting with you. You hold zero credibility so far of what you can prove. Let The sheep feed you. You are exposed for what you are. An inconsistent wanna be lab with no real quality control for your tests to be valid. Good luck with your adventure. It won't last long

Yes, I am very aware about the issues with proper documentation and am working on it.

Paperwork takes more time than the actual work.

But it's either the ability to provide service with fast turnaround and indiscriminately while sorting these issues on the run, or stopping the service meanwhile.

I am actually considering the latter now.

Also, that sample was not 'business'.

Regarding the rest, whatever suits you.

I've been through worse.

The issue I have is that Jano said he tested a vial from Mand's 3, but Mands said the pack arrived opened, but exactly how he had packed it, so that doesn't add up. Also, if your reputation is on the line and testing is your income then it would make sense to get the lab report out now, not when you decide to make time to get back to the lab.

Testing is not my only income and I will not put the 'needs' of anybody before spending time with my family on holidays and doing my work properly.

 

[janoshik]

The SOURCE of counterfeits usually tells the entire story and the number one SOURCE for "PHARMACEUTICAL" GH counterfeits should be no surprise, CHINA, according to the DEA and FDA!

That being said PX has assured me that Sero is a US purchased product and if that is the case that SEROSTIM is UNDER DOSED, based on almost identical results from two
different analytical labs.

As I indicated earlier, another third lab will perform the FOURTH AAA and I've no reason to doubt their results will differ much from the first THREE assays.

Unrelated, but looking as hard as I can, I see a single set of results.

 

[mands]

I actually think that would be helpful, because if it were impossible to undo and redo then that would change everything. If it is possible to undo and redo than that jives with janos explanation.

Man just stop it you are making yourself look worse and worse here. I told you how the vials were exactly intact like I sent them.

When I took them apart after I receiving them back I could hardly get the tape off. All of the vials had glue left on them(I had to scrape off). If I was Jano after I let everyone know how they were wrapped, I would of posted a pic immediately of the vial and said look at this vial with all the glue on it. I mean at least something. But, he didn't do jack crap. No pics, no data , no nada...

He just waited for you to run to the rescue. And that's not fairing to well.

As far as my samples being non-business... You asked me to test them.

mands

 

[rpbb]

I'm failing to understand how this thread is still going on... If Mands received them back, obviously those vials were not tested. Even if he tested the same batch #, who cares? I don't even trust these labs to not use the same batch # for multiple batches. He should've tested Mands samples, and that's all. He did not, end of story, right?

because muscle and jano think that if they talk and lie enough, that people will believe them.

 

[muscle96ss]

This was discussed the problems on this and you bringing it up isn't helping Jano. Discrediting others doesn't help Crediting others in my book. This is about the lies Jano has spun.

Usually counterfeits have some product in it to at least have some effect. I'm not saying the seros was counterfeit. We will know more after another lab tests and then another.

mands

Actually sdryx brought it up and I was responding to him. And no this thread obviously is about more than just the lies Jano has spun as there are numerous negative comments towards buck, myself, and PM scattered throughout. So if you want to keep it on target than keep it on target without any bias.

 

[Dr JIM]

I'm failing to understand how this thread is still going on... If Mands received them back, obviously those vials were not tested. Even if he tested the same batch #, who cares? I don't even trust these labs to not use the same batch # for multiple batches. He should've tested Mands samples, and that's all. He did not, end of story, right?

Oh but Jano's COVERUP is hilarious WP. Something like Janos GF gave him another sample #17 that Jano thought was Mands and that sample was said to be tested yet instead of THAT data Mands received his box in the mail hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Oh yea I may have a few of the details "wrong" but I find it difficult to "make sense of a LIE"!

 

[MassTurk]

I never seen this much make belief. @muscle96ss if the roles were reversed and you were the one questioning Jano for this fantasy, your approach of prove it otherwise wouldn't be the way. You would want concrete evidence. The reason??? Shit load of money being made. If Jano wasn't your "partner" in this endeavor, he would be treated same way as Dr Jim with upmost scrutiny for quality control. You are trying too much to find him to be right. That's not being objective at all. You are intelligent but I'm not so sure anymore about your intent

 

[mands]

Unrelated, but looking as hard as I can, I see a single set of results.

Let me just show you what I'm looking at. Just so you know we aren't messing around testing this stuff.

I just can't stop playing with these graphs and program.

mands

 

[Wunderpus]

Oh but Jano's COVERUP is hilarious WP. Something like Janos GF gave him another sample #17 that Jano thought was Mands and that sample was said to be tested yet instead of THAT data Mands received his box in the mail hahahahahahahahahahahaha

It just doesn't make any fucking sense, and it's ridiculous. It sounds like it would be impossible for Jano to have magically placed all the items back, or what-the-fuck-ever he said.

Why was Jano's "alleged" girlfriend playing "mix up the samples" lol? Jano sounds like he doesn't have much money, from what Mands was saying earlier. Chances are, no girlfriend... Lied about testing the sample, and it was returned to sender without him know. That's my take of it all.

Also, I'm not entirely sure why he wastes him time trying to convince us otherwise. Mands is a trusted pal here, never in a million years would I trust Jano over him.

 

[mands]

Actually sdryx brought it up and I was responding to him. And no this thread obviously is about more than just the lies Jano has spun as there are numerous negative comments towards buck, myself, and PM scattered throughout. So if you want to keep it on target than keep it on target without any bias.

I have not targeted anyone but Jano here. I respect Buck and Yourself )boooos from from crowd) You have done a ton for the community as most of us know.

madns

 

[Dr JIM]

d.

Jano sounds like he doesn't have much money,

Yep and in fact has admitted to spending close to FIFTY THOUSAND on lab equipment
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha