Jano "The ultimate Con-man and Liar?" thread...You be the judge

[janoshik]

@mands Why don't you solve this all and send the sample in question to a reputable testing lab for GH (not Jimbo because he knows the result jano stated and I bet he'd skew it to show jano lied cuz for some reason jimmy Jimbo hates @jano for some reason) and see if the results match? If the result is the exact same you'd know jano isn't lying. And you wouldn't be dragging his rep and name through the mud and potentially destroying his livelihood? I mean, he will always have sst to fall back on. But if every other board kicks him out it's going to really destroy his income I bet.

This doesn't feel right. If jano is telling the truth and he did manage to do all that shit with customs, it's not right to ruin his name and business. There's a possibility he did do what he said he did. Why not spend the couple hundred bucks and verify what the truth actually is? You've got the vial still right? It's so simple yet it's still all up in the air. I'm sure you could work out some partial reimbursement for the testing if it clears his name...

Just to prove that this thread is damaging Janos rep and business is the fact I have 3 diff raw AAS samples I want to send to get testing but now I don't feel comfortable paying jano for a service I'm not sure about. It's hard to swallow the price for SIMEC or any other "official" lab. DrJimmy jimbob appears to run a lab by his words but he seems to be only in the business of shit talking and trashing others rather than providing an accessible services.

What jano did, or appears to have done, was offer a much needed service for AAS testing, it is much more affordable and accessible than any other service I'm aware of to date. There has been some controversy behind it like this shit with missions caber and I really want to believe jano is legit because 80euro or whatever he charges is a steal to verify a source. Much better than just melting point.


What i would like to see from jano Is more details about potential impurities but I don't know how hard that is to identify and especially for the price point. But for verifying gear its the shit. I'd also like to see him be able to test recreational drugs.

I'm sorry, but the drugs are an absolute no-no for me.

Regarding the impurities, I can identify the common ones.

Like tren ace degradation, as I can simulate the degradation with a simple heating etc...

Or with HGH I can get a lot of info from molecular size - IDing aggregates, dimers, fragments. RP HPLC with HGH is so well documented that even exact modifications can be ID'd.

Regarding other, unknown impurities... Services such as NMR, MS, FTIR are available, but at much different price points, unfortunately. Even then it's not 100% it can be identified. Such is analytical chemistry.

 

[rpbb]

AAS is exactly what Mr. Blender had been referring to.

"What jano did, or appears to have done, was offer a much needed service for AAS testing, it is much more affordable and accessible than any other service I'm aware of to date. There has been some controversy behind it like this shit with missions caber and I really want to believe jano is legit because 80euro or whatever he charges is a steal to verify a source. Much better than just melting point."



But you are not offering the testing for free. Or are you?

So go get off your high horse.



And I'll ignore that part regarding reading comprehension.

you can tell mands to get off his high horse as soon as you admit you are a lying con man. you just keep digging your hole deeper, what a dipshit

 

[janoshik]

I've been on this board under a variety of user names for some time. I also don't put a ton of stock in someone's length of time on a board, there are a lot of dumbasses here who've been posting for years. It's on meso where I first heard about people autoclaving sealed steroid vials (LOL) and the thread went on for multiple pages like that.

I specifically dislike Jimmy Jimbo because he basks in the love from his ignorant followers yet I know he isn't all that and a bag of chips. It's very annoying when you hear someone ignorant on a subject talking like they know their shit when they really don't. Just makes me wish I could reach through that monitor to and slap the man behind the username.

What kind of doctor is so invested in the going on's of a underground steroid board? Why do I get the sense he isn't a bodybuilder or athlete or even a user of gear?

It's just odd. He posts like he has such a stake in the "industry" and the outcomes of situations and drama here yet I have no idea how he would benefit or not from any of it.

I dislike his style of posting using capitalization to emphasize his points and to try to talk down on whatever he disagrees with. I don't think he's a medical doctor. He may have a ph D in bullshit though.





All this crap around Jano's name could be solved easily. Send him some samples and send the same ones to another reputable lab. Ask for the real time readouts and the results and compare.

I can't believe nobody has done this yet. His reputation is trashed because of one thread on meso which isn't even conclusive proof he lied, although the situation sounds very odd. OP, Send that sample #17 to jimmy Jimbo and see what his results are, since he appears to be infallible.

I really want to trust Jano's work, I really do. Who else offers affordable and accessible testing of raws? I could give a fuck about GH testing tbh as I'll always pay the extra for pharma in that case. Trying to save money on GH and doing the testing (which eats into savings on generic HGH) seems pointless. Pay triple for pharma. If Chinese GH tests so well why do people still reccomend to run it higher than serostim? I always hear, this yellow,black,grey GH tests good but you gotta run it twice as high as seros... well what is it? How can your generic GH come back with a 95%+ assay yet you need to run 8iu to get the same sides as 3iu of serono?

I've been sent dozens if not hundreds of blind samples, if that answers you at least a tiny bit.

 

[janoshik]

I must admit, Janos steroid testing is affordable and I've been tempted by it. I think I'm gonna send a sample each to jano, simec, and labmax, and see what the results say.

What do you think about that jano?

It'd be my pleasure.

Or some blind samples, if they fall within the category of common AAS.

Or some WONDERFUL mix.

 

[Sdryx]

I really want to trust Jano's work, I really do.

In psychology and logic, rationalization or rationalisation (also known as making excuses[1]) is a defense mechanism in which controversial behaviors or feelings are justified and explained in a seemingly rational or logical manner to avoid the true explanation, and are made consciously tolerable—or even admirable and superior—by plausible means.[2]It is also an informal fallacy of reasoning.[3]

Mands and a few of the chosen few control the others?????? I say Bullshit to that but lets play this out.
The others are just puppets, to the few powerful and cant make decisions or form a opinion on their own. they lack that ability and must be spoon fed and then just become cheerleaders, or henchmen.

I don't think Mands controls anyone. He makes sound decisions and speaks decisively. He appears to not get overly emotional and is a very rational person. I can see why people respect Mands and take his lead. I think it is abundantly clear, however, here at Meso no one is in "control".

But if every other board kicks him out it's going to really destroy his income I bet.

Why are you so concerned with Jano's income?????????????????

DrJimmy jimbob appears to run a lab

Wrong. Make another incorrect assumption.

 

[mands]

AAS is exactly what Mr. Blender had been referring to.

"What jano did, or appears to have done, was offer a much needed service for AAS testing, it is much more affordable and accessible than any other service I'm aware of to date. There has been some controversy behind it like this shit with missions caber and I really want to believe jano is legit because 80euro or whatever he charges is a steal to verify a source. Much better than just melting point."



But you are not offering the testing for free. Or are you?

So go get off your high horse.



And I'll ignore that part regarding reading comprehension.

I suppose that anabolic-adrogenic steroids and growth hormone sometimes get lumped together when used. This thread is about GH. I apologize if I took @Blender_of_blendz words out of context. He can confirm if I did.

Yes we test for free. Ask any member here at MESO or from PM that has sent in sample. Only cost to them is shipping and one vial out of their purchased product.

Thank you but I stay up here for now.

mands

 

[janoshik]

I suppose that anabolic-adrogenic steroids and growth hormone sometimes get lumped together when used. This thread is about GH. I apologize if I took @Blender_of_blendz words out of context. He can confirm if I did.
mands

Oh, almost misread it as "fuck me, I'm retarded and reading comprehension was obviously a problem here"

Reading comprehension a problem for you these days? That was JIM stating if anyone wanted to test on their own not going though us that would be the approximate cost.

On the other hand. I've reread JIMs post again and fuck me, I'm retarded and reading comprehension was obviously a problem here.

 

[calvin33]

Created an account here just to say I already blind tested Jano. I sent him something, mixed with something else he already had tested, and didn't tell him about it.
It came out alright.
I will always keep on doing such thing to him. I find a little bit of skepticism to be healthy in a business relationship. Thus the reason I test products chinese send me and so on.

Hope all is well with you Jano.

 

[janoshik]

Created an account here just to say I already blind tested Jano. I sent him something, mixed with something else he already had tested, and didn't tell him about it.
It came out alright.
I will always keep on doing such thing to him. I find a little bit of skepticism to be healthy in a business relationship. Thus the reason I test products chinese send me and so on.

Hope all is well with you Jano.

Thank you, you have no idea how much I appreciate that.

It's things like this that make me keep doing work for public and sleep well at night.

I hope you are doing well - I certainly can't complain.

 

[PrideofNYC123]

So after all this time, why has the full info not been posted regarding the testing of the #17 vial? We know the results, but if the testing was done, then why haven't you posted the details @jano?


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[MassTurk]

Created an account here just to say I already blind tested Jano. I sent him something, mixed with something else he already had tested, and didn't tell him about it.
It came out alright.
I will always keep on doing such thing to him. I find a little bit of skepticism to be healthy in a business relationship. Thus the reason I test products chinese send me and so on.

Hope all is well with you Jano.

Yes u did all that to show he is g2g but couldn't provide proof to make it concrete? Fuck me I thought you were here to help us to show your blind controll. I figured I should just take your word for it even though you just showed up and all[/QUOTE]

 

[Sdryx]

Created an account here just to say I already blind tested Jano. I sent him something, mixed with something else he already had tested, and didn't tell him about it.
It came out alright.
I will always keep on doing such thing to him. I find a little bit of skepticism to be healthy in a business relationship. Thus the reason I test products chinese send me and so on.

Hope all is well with you Jano.

Well holy fucking shit. This guy here says he just created an account to tell us Jano is legit.

The word of a nobody one post account versus the direct contradictions of Jano's statements himself.

Well that's good enough for me! Jano I was all wrong. Where can I mail you my cash!?

 

[janoshik]

So after all this time, why has the full info not been posted regarding the testing of the #17 vial? We know the results, but if the testing was done, then why haven't you posted the details @jano?


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I've been a country away from my lab, with my family for holidays.

Got back just now and there are more urgent things that I have to sort out.

But Mr. Buck had asked me to send him the details as well and I will do that as soon as I have the time.

Why was not it posted before?

Let me quote myself from another conversation.

"...Also, no other paperwork is available, regarding the Mands' sample.

Paperwork is not my strong point and certainly not for samples that I have not been paid for and are tested as a quick favor... *censored, unrelated*..

I'm sure that even if I had exported all my work history a claim that it's been all photoshoped / downloaded somewhere else, will arise, so I'm not seeing much point in that, ..."

and another one
"...I simply did not post the raw data to Mands, because I could not be arsed to export back then and a single number is enough for *name censored* 99% of the time - unless a problem had been found, so I assumed it was enough for Mands as well.

Also, retrospectively, from what Mands writes, it seems that there was a misunderstanding - I assumed he wanted to know the result in private messages only, to compare to his methodology, but from his recent messages I've gathered he expected me to post it on Meso, for the public..."

Note that this is a direct answer to your question.
Not another argument with the rude lunatics (not meaning you, of course).

I will answer to your further questions, if you have any.

 

[janoshik]

Yes u did all that to show he is g2g but couldn't provide proof to make it concrete? Fuck me I thought you were here to help us to show your blind controll. I figured I should just take your word for it even though you just showed up and all

Well holy fucking shit. This guy here says he just created an account to tell us Jano is legit.

The word of a nobody one post account versus the direct contradictions of Jano's statements himself.

Well that's good enough for me! Jano I was all wrong. Where can I mail you my cash!?

Sure made my day a lot better and I am grateful for that.

Where can I mail you my cash!?

EMD Serono

They'll soon be needing all that cash to cover the lawsuits from JIM.

 

[PrideofNYC123]

As an objective observer, it's hard to believe your story without anything to show/prove your side.
It's excuse after excuse. As a member of PM who donated vials and $ last round and has donated $ this round; quite frankly, I'd like my money back at this point.
I'd like to believe you, but you're not making it easy imo.


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[rpbb]

Oh, almost misread it as "fuck me, I'm retarded and reading comprehension was obviously a problem here"



On the other hand. I've reread JIMs post again and fuck me, I'm retarded and reading comprehension was obviously a problem here.

I've been a country away from my lab, with my family for holidays.

Got back just now and there are more urgent things that I have to sort out.

But Mr. Buck had asked me to send him the details as well and I will do that as soon as I have the time.

Why was not it posted before?

Let me quote myself from another conversation.

"...Also, no other paperwork is available, regarding the Mands' sample.

Paperwork is not my strong point and certainly not for samples that I have not been paid for and are tested as a quick favor... *censored, unrelated*..

I'm sure that even if I had exported all my work history a claim that it's been all photoshoped / downloaded somewhere else, will arise, so I'm not seeing much point in that, ..."

and another one
"...I simply did not post the raw data to Mands, because I could not be arsed to export back then and a single number is enough for *name censored* 99% of the time - unless a problem had been found, so I assumed it was enough for Mands as well.

Also, retrospectively, from what Mands writes, it seems that there was a misunderstanding - I assumed he wanted to know the result in private messages only, to compare to his methodology, but from his recent messages I've gathered he expected me to post it on Meso, for the public..."

Note that this is a direct answer to your question.
Not another argument with the rude lunatics (not meaning you, of course).

I will answer to your further questions, if you have any.

There's no paperwork because you didn't test anything. Than fucked up and got caught in a lie. Now you'll have to forge some test paperwork to try and weasal out of it. Buck is probably dumb enough to believe you

 

[janoshik]

As an objective observer, it's hard to believe your story without anything to show/prove your side.
It's excuse after excuse. As a member of PM who donated vials and $ last round and has donated $ this round; quite frankly, I'd like my money back at this point.
I'd like to believe you, but you're not making it easy imo.


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Most of the questions could be answered a lot shorter with a "I don't keep any but the most necessary documentation."

My fault for trying to go in depth.

 

[Sdryx]

Sure made my day a lot better and I am grateful for that.


EMD Serono

They'll soon be needing all that cash to cover the lawsuits from JIM.

That sample did not come from Serono. Seriously... who was the person with AIDS or dwarfism who walked into a US pharmacy to purchase it directly? Oh that's right! It was purchased from an online pharmacy and is likely a counterfeit!

 

[PrideofNYC123]

That sample did not come from Serono. Seriously... who was the person with AIDS or dwarfism who walked into a US pharmacy to purchase it directly? Oh that's right! It was purchased from an online pharmacy and is likely a counterfeit!

It was real and verified using their own app.


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[Sdryx]

It was real and verified using their own app.


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You mean the code that does not self destruct and can literally be photo copied and pasted on a hundred counterfeit boxes of HGH?