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Jano "The ultimate Con-man and Liar?" thread...You be the judge

I've been on this board under a variety of user names for some time. I also don't put a ton of stock in someone's length of time on a board, there are a lot of dumbasses here who've been posting for years. It's on meso where I first heard about people autoclaving sealed steroid vials (LOL) and the thread went on for multiple pages like that.

I specifically dislike Jimmy Jimbo because he basks in the love from his ignorant followers yet I know he isn't all that and a bag of chips. It's very annoying when you hear someone ignorant on a subject talking like they know their shit when they really don't. Just makes me wish I could reach through that monitor to and slap the man behind the username.

What kind of doctor is so invested in the going on's of a underground steroid board? Why do I get the sense he isn't a bodybuilder or athlete or even a user of gear?

It's just odd. He posts like he has such a stake in the "industry" and the outcomes of situations and drama here yet I have no idea how he would benefit or not from any of it.

I dislike his style of posting using capitalization to emphasize his points and to try to talk down on whatever he disagrees with. I don't think he's a medical doctor. He may have a ph D in bullshit though.


muscle96ss said:
I am not the one that started things with Dr. Jim; it was the other way around several years ago. Since then he has perpetuated so much misinformation that it is ridiculous and made numerous false allegations against me. I have no respect for someone like that. Like I said, my reputation is exceptional in many highly respected circles and I am known as a straight shooter who goes strongly against scammers, whether they be sources or members.
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All this crap around Jano's name could be solved easily. Send him some samples and send the same ones to another reputable lab. Ask for the real time readouts and the results and compare.

I can't believe nobody has done this yet. His reputation is trashed because of one thread on meso which isn't even conclusive proof he lied, although the situation sounds very odd. OP, Send that sample #17 to jimmy Jimbo and see what his results are, since he appears to be infallible.

I really want to trust Jano's work, I really do. Who else offers affordable and accessible testing of raws? I could give a fuck about GH testing tbh as I'll always pay the extra for pharma in that case. Trying to save money on GH and doing the testing (which eats into savings on generic HGH) seems pointless. Pay triple for pharma. If Chinese GH tests so well why do people still reccomend to run it higher than serostim? I always hear, this yellow,black,grey GH tests good but you gotta run it twice as high as seros... well what is it? How can your generic GH come back with a 95%+ assay yet you need to run 8iu to get the same sides as 3iu of serono?
 
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mands said:
I'll check my emails.

Before anyone goes nuts on Buck please DO NOT. He has a big decision to make along with a few others on his home board.

Although it's very cut and dry in my eyes that still have to hear both sides.

mands
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Yes Sir,
I appreciate and understand the way this was given. Thanks For that.
No tuff guy hiding behind a monitor will influence any decision or conclusion I will come to.
So if that is there pleasure so b it.
But to give a xample of how others can take this and how points of views or interpretations can differ.
if you can control the others from goin nuts what does this say? Mands and a few of the chosen few control the others?????? I say Bullshit to that but lets play this out.
The others are just puppets, to the few powerful and cant make decisions or form a opinion on their own. they lack that ability and must be spoon fed and then just become cheerleaders, or henchmen. their mental capacity lacks the ability to treat others fairly or in a adult grown up manner.
Then this goes from a uncensored forum to the few preachin from a pulpit and the flock followin their every word without the capacity to understand, interpret, or form their own opinion.
The title of this thread is;
Jano "The ultimate Con-man and Liar?" thread...You be the judge.
Now do most know what this even meens or are they just pilin on followin one of their leaders. If thats the case the thread should B
Jano the Ultimate Con-Man and Liar and the lemmins can fall in line.
Now I know you would not want that to b the case Nor do I believe it is.
But if I get dispensation Because you asked it be givin to me or anyone eles, an outsider may take it differently and could form that opinion. (other than how I believe it was intended)...
Also If I am A PM Guy and that is how I am Branded here thats fine too.
But its never been a Us vs.Them, that I see so many times.
Rather a Independent thinker lookin for facts, results, different testin methods.ect.


Thanks for yr time and yr openness in our convos.
 
CdnGuy said:
End of story! ^^^^ Now fuck off please.
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There's tons of bad info on this board, especially in the brewing section, from multi-year members of this board. I just read the other day from a 5+ year vet who said using non sterile 0.45um filters for injectable gear is "fine". You've got a false sense of respect based on someone being a vet or not. I've seen good sources I've used with great success chased
out of here by your attitude.

I learn from good sources of information, irrespective of join date or being in or out of the meathead club. Keep suckin that jimmy knob, covering your ears and going "lalallala I can't hear yoooooou!"
 
Buck1973 said:
Yes Sir,
I appreciate and understand the way this was given. Thanks For that.
No tuff guy hiding behind a monitor will influence any decision or conclusion I will come to.
So if that is there pleasure so b it.
But to give a xample of how others can take this and how points of views or interpretations can differ.
if you can control the others from goin nuts what does this say? Mands and a few of the chosen few control the others?????? I say Bullshit to that but lets play this out.
The others are just puppets, to the few powerful and cant make decisions or form a opinion on their own. they lack that ability and must be spoon fed and then just become cheerleaders, or henchmen. their mental capacity lacks the ability to treat others fairly or in a adult grown up manner.
Then this goes from a uncensored forum to the few preachin from a pulpit and the flock followin their every word without the capacity to understand, interpret, or form their own opinion.
The title of this thread is;
Jano "The ultimate Con-man and Liar?" thread...You be the judge.
Now do most know what this even meens or are they just pilin on followin one of their leaders. If thats the case the thread should B
Jano the Ultimate Con-Man and Liar and the lemmins can fall in line.
Now I know you would not want that to b the case Nor do I believe it is.
But if I get dispensation Because you asked it be givin to me or anyone eles, an outsider may take it differently and could form that opinion. (other than how I believe it was intended)...
Also If I am A PM Guy and that is how I am Branded here thats fine too.
But its never been a Us vs.Them, that I see so many times.
Rather a Independent thinker lookin for facts, results, different testin methods.ect.


Thanks for yr time and yr openness in our convos.
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you type like you have a retardation, no offense.
 
mands said:
Do I have to keep on explaining this?

I stated seized, I guess there terminology was "deposited in the interim warehouse". So then it was refused by the addressee. I got package back with all contents. ss

Also, no paperwork from showing any testing was preformed by Jano was ever sent to me. Why not? It wasn't ever done that's why!

Why would it have been stopped and sent to a warehouse if customs didn't open it? You know customs opened it. Why would they have stopped it if they didn't see the contents? Again they wouldn't have.

End of discussion in my book.

I can't comment on what JANO thinks or what he actually does. At this point he's lied about multiple things throughout this whole transaction. Therefore he is not to be trusted in my book.

2.11.2016 The consignment was sent back to the sender - refused acceptance by the addressee.

18.10.2016 Communication with the addressee about the consignment being deposited in interim warehouse - asked to prove the value of the goods.

mands
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@mands Why don't you solve this all and send the sample in question to a reputable testing lab for GH (not Jimbo because he knows the result jano stated and I bet he'd skew it to show jano lied cuz for some reason jimmy Jimbo hates @jano for some reason) and see if the results match? If the result is the exact same you'd know jano isn't lying. And you wouldn't be dragging his rep and name through the mud and potentially destroying his livelihood? I mean, he will always have sst to fall back on. But if every other board kicks him out it's going to really destroy his income I bet.

This doesn't feel right. If jano is telling the truth and he did manage to do all that shit with customs, it's not right to ruin his name and business. There's a possibility he did do what he said he did. Why not spend the couple hundred bucks and verify what the truth actually is? You've got the vial still right? It's so simple yet it's still all up in the air. I'm sure you could work out some partial reimbursement for the testing if it clears his name...

Just to prove that this thread is damaging Janos rep and business is the fact I have 3 diff raw AAS samples I want to send to get testing but now I don't feel comfortable paying jano for a service I'm not sure about. It's hard to swallow the price for SIMEC or any other "official" lab. DrJimmy jimbob appears to run a lab by his words but he seems to be only in the business of shit talking and trashing others rather than providing an accessible services.

What jano did, or appears to have done, was offer a much needed service for AAS testing, it is much more affordable and accessible than any other service I'm aware of to date. There has been some controversy behind it like this shit with missions caber and I really want to believe jano is legit because 80euro or whatever he charges is a steal to verify a source. Much better than just melting point.


What i would like to see from jano Is more details about potential impurities but I don't know how hard that is to identify and especially for the price point. But for verifying gear its the shit. I'd also like to see him be able to test recreational drugs.
 
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Blender_of_blendz said:
You've got a false sense of respect based on someone being a vet or not. I've seen good sources I've used with great success chased
out of here by your attitude.
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This quote made me chuckle thanks! A. Meso is not a source board B.If a source can't hack the harsh vetting process then their likely hiding something And C. I couldn't care less what people think of me. Not looking for respect as any validation. So now " Mr Multiple Meso handles" run along!
 
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I see muscle, buck, and jano realize they fucked up and there endless bullshit blathering, blaming and excuses are getting them nowhere, so they recruited some more pm shills to come over and whine
 
Blender_of_blendz said:
@mands Why don't you solve this all and send the sample in question to a reputable testing lab for GH (not Jimbo because he knows the result jano stated and I bet he'd skew it to show jano lied cuz for some reason jimmy Jimbo hates @jano for some reason) and see if the results match? If the result is the exact same you'd know jano isn't lying. And you wouldn't be dragging his rep and name through the mud and potentially destroying his livelihood? I mean, he will always have sst to fall back on. But if every other board kicks him out it's going to really destroy his income I bet.

This doesn't feel right. If jano is telling the truth and he did manage to do all that shit with customs, it's not right to ruin his name and business. There's a possibility he did do what he said he did. Why not spend the couple hundred bucks and verify what the truth actually is? You've got the vial still right? It's so simple yet it's still all up in the air. I'm sure you could work out some partial reimbursement for the testing if it clears his name...

Just to prove that this thread is damaging Janos rep and business is the fact I have 3 diff raw AAS samples I want to send to get testing but now I don't feel comfortable paying jano for a service I'm not sure about. It's hard to swallow the price for SIMEC or any other "official" lab. DrJimmy jimbob appears to run a lab by his words but he seems to be only in the business of shit talking and trashing others rather than providing an accessible services.

What jano did, or appears to have done, was offer a much needed service for AAS testing, it is much more affordable and accessible than any other service I'm aware of to date. There has been some controversy behind it like this shit with missions caber and I really want to believe jano is legit because 80euro or whatever he charges is a steal to verify a source. Much better than just melting point.


What i would like to see from jano Is more details about potential impurities but I don't know how hard that is to identify and especially for the price point. But for verifying gear its the shit. I'd also like to see him be able to test recreational drugs.
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you can be alot cheaper when you don't actually test anything. send the shit to me, and i'll make up for results for half of what jano is charging
 
rpbb said:
I see muscle, buck, and jano realize they fucked up and there endless bullshit blathering, blaming and excuses are getting them nowhere, so they recruited some more pm shills to come over and whine
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Yeah because the shills are doing a much better job than us. Go fuck yourself rpbb!!
 
Buck1973 said:
Yes Sir,
I appreciate and understand the way this was given. Thanks For that.
No tuff guy hiding behind a monitor will influence any decision or conclusion I will come to.
So if that is there pleasure so b it.
But to give a xample of how others can take this and how points of views or interpretations can differ.
if you can control the others from goin nuts what does this say? Mands and a few of the chosen few control the others?????? I say Bullshit to that but lets play this out.
The others are just puppets, to the few powerful and cant make decisions or form a opinion on their own. they lack that ability and must be spoon fed and then just become cheerleaders, or henchmen. their mental capacity lacks the ability to treat others fairly or in a adult grown up manner.
Then this goes from a uncensored forum to the few preachin from a pulpit and the flock followin their every word without the capacity to understand, interpret, or form their own opinion.
The title of this thread is;
Jano "The ultimate Con-man and Liar?" thread...You be the judge.
Now do most know what this even meens or are they just pilin on followin one of their leaders. If thats the case the thread should B
Jano the Ultimate Con-Man and Liar and the lemmins can fall in line.
Now I know you would not want that to b the case Nor do I believe it is.
But if I get dispensation Because you asked it be givin to me or anyone eles, an outsider may take it differently and could form that opinion. (other than how I believe it was intended)...
Also If I am A PM Guy and that is how I am Branded here thats fine too.
But its never been a Us vs.Them, that I see so many times.
Rather a Independent thinker lookin for facts, results, different testin methods.ect.


Thanks for yr time and yr openness in our convos.
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Just trying to clear this thread of clutter. Which seems impossible at MESO these days. But, this is the way it is.

I just want members to understand that my statements about Jano are harsh and not just MESO is effected but it's the whole community. As you know I was very disappointed to say the least when I was told my vials were tested and then I see them back into my hands.

Some have hate towards anyone from another board especially source boards. I on the other hand DO NOT. I take what I can from all boards that I'm a member and try to educate and learn.

As far as the title. I wanted MESO decide with the facts that I gave them and would have doing this board and others a disfavor.

I appreciate your point of view and letting me know your thoughts.

mands
 
Blender_of_blendz said:
@mands Why don't you solve this all and send the sample in question to a reputable testing lab for GH (not Jimbo because he knows the result jano stated and I bet he'd skew it to show jano lied cuz for some reason jimmy Jimbo hates @jano for some reason) and see if the results match? If the result is the exact same you'd know jano isn't lying. And you wouldn't be dragging his rep and name through the mud and potentially destroying his livelihood? I mean, he will always have sst to fall back on. But if every other board kicks him out it's going to really destroy his income I bet.

This doesn't feel right. If jano is telling the truth and he did manage to do all that shit with customs, it's not right to ruin his name and business. There's a possibility he did do what he said he did. Why not spend the couple hundred bucks and verify what the truth actually is? You've got the vial still right? It's so simple yet it's still all up in the air. I'm sure you could work out some partial reimbursement for the testing if it clears his name...

Just to prove that this thread is damaging Janos rep and business is the fact I have 3 diff raw AAS samples I want to send to get testing but now I don't feel comfortable paying jano for a service I'm not sure about. It's hard to swallow the price for SIMEC or any other "official" lab. DrJimmy jimbob appears to run a lab by his words but he seems to be only in the business of shit talking and trashing others rather than providing an accessible services.

What jano did, or appears to have done, was offer a much needed service for AAS testing, it is much more affordable and accessible than any other service I'm aware of to date. There has been some controversy behind it like this shit with missions caber and I really want to believe jano is legit because 80euro or whatever he charges is a steal to verify a source. Much better than just melting point.


What i would like to see from jano Is more details about potential impurities but I don't know how hard that is to identify and especially for the price point. But for verifying gear its the shit. I'd also like to see him be able to test recreational drugs.
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Which lab would you like me to send it to? I have sent it to one already. It came back as 13.77 iu's. I myself am happy with this. It's now being sent to another lab for HPLC/MS and then to a third. I believe this is sufficient.

Jano states 15.6 iu average and one of mine being 15.69 iu.

As far as Jim's testing this round it has been very extensive and has provided a look into the generic gh world. Not sure if you have read the spread sheet @Cpriest88 and the write up @Eman provided. It has it's good and bad. For instance it has one of TP's grey tops at 9.7, Angtropin at 12.96 iu's, Hygetropin at 10.86 iu's and Biohygene at 7.38 iu's(8 iu vial). Nobody bitched about that spouting our test were wrong on those samples.

I know you've been busy with other boards, working and family so I won't bust your balls for not seeing the whole story. Unless I'm wrong and you have been following all threads. I just know you despise MESO and hate even visiting here.

He charges 290 euros not 80.

By the way our testing is FREE.

mands
 
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mands said:
Which lab would you like me to send it to? I have sent it to one already. It came back as 13.77 iu's. I myself am happy with this. It's now being sent to another lab for HPLC/MS and then to a third. I believe this is sufficient.

Jano states 15.6 iu average and one of mine being 15.69 iu.

As far as Jim's testing this round it has been very extensive and has provided a look into the generic gh world. Not sure if you have read the spread sheet @Cpriest88 and the write up @Eman provided. It has it's good and bad. For instance it has one of TP's grey tops at 9.7 iu's. Nobody bitched about that saying our test were wrong on that sample.

I know you've been busy with other boards, working and family so I won't bust your balls for not seeing the whole story. Unless I'm wrong and you have been following all threads. I just know you despise MESO and hate even visiting here.

He charges 290 euros not 80.

By the way our testing is FREE.

mands
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I don't know, but it was quite heavily implied not one that dealt with through JIM.

Also I charge different amounts for different products, HGH requiring the highest investment to be able to test properly. But I guess there's no need for checking anything before posting anything regarding me. You're getting that common with JIM.


Also sure. Free Mands.

Totally free.

Ah finally the NEXT (3rd) Generic GH Assay Thread

Free as a pie.
 
jano said:
I don't know, but it was quite heavily implied not one that dealt with through JIM.

Also I charge different amounts for different products, HGH requiring the highest investment to be able to test properly. But I guess there's no need for checking anything before posting anything regarding me. You're getting that common with JIM.


Also sure. Free Mands.

Totally free.

Ah finally the NEXT (3rd) Generic GH Assay Thread

Free as a pie.
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I was referring to GH testing. That's what we are talking about isn't Jano? I don't see a discussion about AAS being tested in this thread. Except Jim asking you to show pics of your standards.

Reading comprehension a problem for you these days? That was JIM stating if anyone wanted to test on their own not going though us that would be the approximate cost.

Dr JIM said:
Oh and for those who are SINCERELY interested in testing their own GH, PM me as I am more than willing to release the identity of the lab we have been using on an individual basis.

The cost bt $100 - $150 per sample.
Jim
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We have never charged anyone or any member a fee for testing. Get your facts straight!

mands
 
mands said:
Just trying to clear this thread of clutter. Which seems impossible at MESO these days. But, this is the way it is.

I just want members to understand that my statements about Jano are harsh and not just MESO is effected but it's the whole community. As you know I was very disappointed to say the least when I was told my vials were tested and then I see them back into my hands.

Some have hate towards anyone from another board especially source boards. I on the other hand DO NOT. I take what I can from all boards that I'm a member and try to educate and learn.

As far as the title. I wanted MESO decide with the facts that I gave them and would have doing this board and others a disfavor.

I appreciate your point of view and letting me know your thoughts.

mands
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Yes, because having people listen to authority rather than arguments is such a nice sight.

I'll pay for quantitatively testing the #17 from you kit with SIMEC, if Mr. A. not Mr. V. will be doing the testing and will be willing to use the same or similar method to test as I did - or pretty much anything sensible but the tests Mr. V. ran for PM.

If it comes more than 5% different from my results, I'll go eat shit.
 
mands said:
I was referring to GH testing. That's what we are talking about isn't Jano? I don't see a discussion about AAS being tested in this thread. Except Jim asking you to show pics of your standards.

Reading comprehension a problem for you these days? That was JIM stating if anyone wanted to test on their own not going though us that would be the approximate cost.



We have never charged anyone or any member a fee for testing. Get your facts straight!

mands
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AAS is exactly what Mr. Blender had been referring to.

"What jano did, or appears to have done, was offer a much needed service for AAS testing, it is much more affordable and accessible than any other service I'm aware of to date. There has been some controversy behind it like this shit with missions caber and I really want to believe jano is legit because 80euro or whatever he charges is a steal to verify a source. Much better than just melting point."



But you are not offering the testing for free. Or are you?

So go get off your high horse.



And I'll ignore that part regarding reading comprehension.
 
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