Jano "The ultimate Con-man and Liar?" thread...You be the judge

[janoshik]

This kind of answer is typical of someone that doesn't know how it was packaged. This is not a joke as you are trying to make light of the situation.

mands

A tin, if I recall correctly.

What else do you expect, if not sarcasm? It's obvious that this answer will not suffice you.

Or, god forgive if I mistake the kit from another 50 goddamn kits that I had received over the last 2 fucking months and you will keep acting like a goddamn drama queen, not responding to messages and direct questions for another year or two.

 

[Mr.B66]

This is correct and was pointed out by @muscle96ss I believe. He was posting this showing that pharm grade seros have had fakes is all. That it's not out of the question.

mands

Only reason i commented is because i run sero's 6mg 126iu kits and this had me a bit shocked to say the least, so really, i was putting myself at ease.

 

[janoshik]

I'm sure you have the letter still and shows when it was post marked and you documented when it arrived?

Are you going to describe the contents of the package and how it was packaged?

mands

Yes, I got a receipt from a kebab from that day as well. Right in my pillow.

OR MAYBE, IF YOU COULD READ, EVEN IN THE TRACKING THEY SAY THEY'VE CONTACTED ME, THEREFORE SENT ME A LETTER.

 

[mands]

A tin, if I recall correctly.

What else do you expect, if not sarcasm? It's obvious that this answer will not suffice you.

Or, god forgive if I mistake the kit from another 50 goddamn kits that I had received over the last 2 fucking months and you will keep acting like a goddamn drama queen, not responding to messages and direct questions for another year or two.

I told you it was a tin. Try again. How was it wrapped. I wrapped it a specific way? Not the first aid kit it self. But how I wrapped it. packaging and stuff of that nature?

mands

 

[janoshik]

I told you it was a tin. Try again. How was it wrapped. I wrapped it a specific way? Not the first aid kit it self. But how I wrapped it. packaging and stuff of that nature?

mands

You told me it was a "Coleman signature first aid kit"

Coleman signature first aid kit - Hledat Googlem


I'm pretty good to guess it, right?

 

[mands]

Yes, I got a receipt from a kebab from that day as well. Right in my pillow.

OR MAYBE, IF YOU COULD READ, EVEN IN THE TRACKING THEY SAY THEY'VE CONTACTED ME, THEREFORE SENT ME A LETTER.

I don't see where they sent you a letter?

You told me it was a "Coleman signature first aid kit"

Coleman signature first aid kit - Hledat Googlem


I'm pretty good to guess it, right?

Then told you a tin later. Maybe even told muscles that.

Describe the package? Why does my package state on the sticker refused?

mands

 

[janoshik]

Also, you specifically told me that you would send results for THE SAMPLES YOU SENT ME ONLY AFTER I TOLD YOU THE RESULTS.

"Don't even send them to me until I receive mine.

That way when you do send I can post mine or send to you immediately."

SO IT WAS PRETTY GODDAMN LUCKY TO GUESS THAT THE #17 YOU'VE POSTED A DAY BEFORE WAS THE ONE YOU'VE SENT ME, EVEN THROUGH IT WENT AGAINST WHAT YOU TOLD ME.

 

[janoshik]

I don't see where they sent you a letter?

Then told you a tin later.

Describe the package? Why does my package state on the sticker refused?

mands

Okay, I'll calm myself, give me a minute.

 

[mands]

Also, you specifically told me that you would send results for THE SAMPLES YOU SENT ME ONLY AFTER I TOLD YOU THE RESULTS.



SO IT WAS PRETTY GODDAMN LUCKY TO GUESS THAT THE #17 YOU'VE POSTED A DAY BEFORE WAS THE ONE YOU'VE SENT ME, EVEN THROUGH IT WENT AGAINST WHAT YOU TOLD ME.

They were posted and I told you. Keep on yelling over the computer. You are doing well.

mands

 

[janoshik]

Then told you a tin later. Maybe even told muscles that.

You are correct. I missed that. I apologize.

The tin was half empty, I think the stuff was taken out in order to accommodate the vials.

Except the vials all I remember were the band aids.

I don't see where they sent you a letter?

Communication with the addressee about the consignment being deposited in interim warehouse - asked to prove the value of the goods.

This means a letter had been sent to the address on the package. I think it should be possible to verify without my participation, if you don't believe me.


Don't remember anything odd about the outside package.

 

[janoshik]

They were posted and I told you.

Please, sincerely, where exactly?

Sincere questions.

Also, is there any way I could know you've sent me the #17 on 17th of NOV?

I couldn't verify that out of my chat history, as I don't keep one.

Have you posted in public before then which batch had been sent to me?

Again, sincere.

 

[mands]

Okay, I'll calm myself, give me a minute.

Just explain what was in the package? What type of package did I send it in?

You are correct. I missed that. I apologize.

The tin was half empty, I think the stuff was taken out in order to accommodate the vials.

Except the vials all I remember were the band aids.



Communication with the addressee about the consignment being deposited in interim warehouse - asked to prove the value of the goods.

This means a letter had been sent to the address on the package. I think it should be possible to verify without my participation, if you don't believe me.


Don't remember anything odd about the outside package.

I have told you everything you have just mentioned. I'm wanting to know what the package looked like on the outside and what it was(very distinct), etc. etc.

Be very exact when you opened it.

mands

 

[Brolloks]

For those interested in more evidence GGs comments are factually based try the official web sites for each country.

The Czech Republic's Customs website seems pretty bare. Can you you share the link where you found the facts?

With all due respect to jano, the Czech Republic isn't exactly a first world country. It would be optimistic to expect that they share the same protocols and procedures as the US or Canada.

Pardon my ignorance, but I assume the samples would not have been reconstituted until being tested. Did mands get them back with the powder still lyophilized??

 

[Dr JIM]

This is correct and was pointed out by @muscle96ss I believe. He was posting this showing that pharm grade seros have had fakes is all. That it's not out of the question.

mands

Fact is I contacted EMD and after
they confirmed the Sero "identifiers" were legit, guess what their FIRST question was after being informed of our labs findings?

WHAT WAS THE SOURCE OF THAT PRODUCT!

Since I was under the impression PX obtained it from China rather than from a U.S. based Pharm, that's what they were told -- China.

Is that important?

Hell yes it is bc "we do not distribute our GH products into China for sale on a commercial basis ...... as doing so would be a country specific proprietary violation". Duh

I've had several discussions with them since and THEY DO USE an AAA as one of several means of QQ their GH. Duh, duh

And that question WAS raised bc
they to consider an AAA the most reliable means of quantifying GH, duh, duh, duh

Finally rest assured what ever I uncover will be the truth and it will be posted AS IS, absent the embellishments, rhetoric, or fabrications some willingly embrace as a means to an ends protecting themselves or their SOURCES.

Consequently it's best to assume ANY North American GH Pharma product that originates from China is COUNTERFEIT!

But come on guys is any of this new news!

Well I hope not bc the more reliable the source the more reliable the product and "Indo-China" is a morass of counterfeiters from Rolex watches to GH!

Jim

 

[mands]

I will be flying out to Chi-Town in the morning and will try and get on here if I can. You guys hash this crap out if you want. I'm going to celebrate New Years and have a good time.

Have fun and be safe.

mands

 

[janoshik]

I will be flying out to Chi-Town in the morning and will try and get on here if I can. You guys hash this crap out if you want. I'm going to celebrate New Years and have a good time.

Have fun and be safe.

mands

It's wonderful how you've missed the:

Please, sincerely, where exactly?

Sincere questions.

Also, is there any way I could know you've sent me the #17 on 17th of NOV?

I couldn't verify that out of my chat history, as I don't keep one.

Have you posted in public before then which batch had been sent to me?

Again, sincere.

Have fun.

 

[Dr JIM]

Hey @mands check your emails
mate, but any luck DL our LC/MS with a Mac?

Be safe mate
Jim

 

[Dr JIM]

It looks to me like they say it is ONLY 8.8mg that is counterfeited. I believe the sample n question was 4mg which this article says are not being counterfeited.

You may find contacting EMD directly provides a more accurate assessment of "the magnitude of the problem".

Apparently it's such a problem I was told they anticipate moving away from the current dual vial solute/solvent system to what is rapidly becoming the standard, a dual chambered, single cartridge syringe arrangement as a means of combating counterfeiting!

More to come, as I told EMD the Sero will be re-tested using another lab in addition to other testing an LC/MS in particular.

 

[janoshik]

You may find contacting EMD directly provides a more accurate assessment of "the magnitude of the problem".

Apparently it's such a problem I was told they anticipate moving away from the current dual vial solute/solvent system to what is rapidly becoming the standard, a dual chambered, single cartridge syringe arrangement as a means of combating counterfeiting!

More to come, as I told EMD the Sero will be re-tested using another lab in addition to other testing an LC/MS in particular.

So the ProfessorX bought the vials in China? Can you quote him on this?

 

[PrideofNYC123]

The Czech Republic's Customs website seems pretty bare. Can you you share the link where you found the facts?

With all due respect to jano, the Czech Republic isn't exactly a first world country. It would be optimistic to expect that they share the same protocols and procedures as the US or Canada.

They are absolutely a first world country and would share many of the same protocols as the US being members of the EU.


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