Jano "The ultimate Con-man and Liar?" thread...You be the judge

I saw you mention that before but where did you catch that he knew the batch #? I must have missed it before.

I posted this morning, TP confirmed that he talked with Jano on 11/17 and Jano discussed the results of batch # 17 he tested from mands. TP sent me the transcript of the conversation and mands has access to it if he desires as well.

I really think that there is a lot of speculation because mands received the package back and Janos explanation is a little outlandish. But every aspect of his story checks out and has been consistent since mid October. You can't incriminate someone on a hunch, you need concrete evidence and facts.
 
Nice explanation except for that fact that mands already admitted that the package had been OPENED when he received it back and the fact that Jano knew what batch# the contents were. I'm anxiously waiting your explanation of those FACTS!

You keep presenting these formal fallacies which are NOT required to draw the conclusion that Jano has lied.

"Fallacious arguments usually have the deceptive appearance of being good arguments. Recognizing fallacies in everyday arguments may be difficult since arguments are often embedded in rhetorical patterns that obscure the logical connections between statements. Informal fallacies may also exploit the emotional, intellectual, or psychological weaknesses of the audience. Having the capability to recognize fallacies in arguments is one way to reduce the likelihood of such occurrences."

Common example:
"Some of your key evidence is missing, incomplete, or even faked! That proves I'm right!"
 
Actually that theory is not shot out of the water. Tp just sent me transcripts of a conversation he had with Jano on 11/17 where he tells Tp that he tested batch #17 for you and the results. Tp then asks him to send the raw data and he states that you did not want the raw data and were only interested in the results as a comparison and that the raw data was deleted when he cleaned his hard drive. Jano also states that he had not given the results yet to you because you had requested him not to do so until a certain point(which I think you will agree and understand).

So my question to you is, how did Jano know which batch you sent him for a package that was either returned or seized unless he had possession at some point or is psychic?

I think this evidence is a game changer and while I will not post the info publicly due to sensitive info, I am sure Tp would not have a problem sharing it with you so you can see it first hand.

I NEVER TOLD JANO I DIDN'T WANT THE RAW DATA!!!! What are you talking about? That's another lie by Jano. So TP asked for raw data and he magically deleted his hard drive that day. Are you serious?

Does TP have any chats with Jano about what happened in customs and that they called him to bring back the package and him telling his gf to switch a vial? Or that when they called him to tell him if he didn't bring it back they were going to charge him. But wait your chat shows that they already charged him once when he picked it up the first time. I guess they were gonna charge him again for the same crime. lol

Nope another person he didn't tell but he loves to give a play play on everything else. Just happened to not tell anyone. Not you, not TP, not me, not a single soul.

I'll get to your other questions in a bit about batch# and package being opened.

Why don't you ask Jano to come here and explain exactly what the package looked like and what the first aid kit looked like. A complete run down of how it was packaged.

mands
 
Someone should have done the whole testing process and not disclose it to the board until it is done. So no one can manipulate anythhing. It would be nice to just see 5 tests. 2 pharma and 3 generic. Maybe it will be done one day. It seems like everyone has a hidden agenda. I will be more into this when I really want to run gh. I dont want to for at least 10 years.
Explain to me what this stupid fucking post means if it is not worthless. Too me it looks like your claiming the testing done by @mands and @Dr JIM has been manipulated and has a hidden agenda.
 
I NEVER TOLD JANO I DIDN'T WANT THE RAW DATA!!!! What are you talking about? That's another lie by Jano. So TP asked for raw data and he magically deleted his hard drive that day. Are you serious?

Does TP have any chats with Jano about what happened in customs and that they called him to bring back the package and him telling his gf to switch a vial? Or that when they called him to tell him if he didn't bring it back they were going to charge him. But wait your chat shows that they already charged him once when he picked it up the first time. I guess they were gonna charge him again for the same crime. lol

Nope another person he didn't tell but he loves to give a play play on everything else. Just happened to not tell anyone. Not you, not TP, not me, not a single soul.

I'll get to your other questions in a bit about batch# and package being opened.

Why don't you ask Jano to come here and explain exactly what the package looked like and what the first aid kit looked like. A complete run down of how it was packaged.

mands
Just let him keep digging his hole deeper. Maybe you should add muscle96ss to the title of the thread
 
The thread was started December 21st....

I never was involved with Jano. Never knew much about him... But, he always seemed like a used car salesman to me.
Not the other ones. generic AAA essays. I was following all those. reading every post. I just dont comment, for the reason you have seen.

Jano litteraly was a new member within days that the first generic essays started. So it just so happened that he waited all this time for his talents of testing to shine right when Dr. Jim and Mands started there road to testing generics.
That seems strange, how come he wasnt doing this before, rather then just during that convienient time. Also if these accredited facilities have trouble testing HGH. How can this one man/women do it with such ease. Thats makes no sense.
 
IF they open the box which needed to raise suspicion first, which that wasn't the case, by law, customs MUST put a red label and tape it back up that states "opened by customs". OR get a letter sent out about seizure asking for more info which obviously you don't reply or contact them/turn yourself in. They also store the package and not trash it.

So in conclusion, Jano = dirty bullshit liar!

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For those interested in more evidence GGs comments are factually based try the official web sites for each country.

Great synopsis @GearGodess
 
Procedure of customs change for every country. Sure as hell the procedure jano had gone trough is never heard lol
 
When package if first held up, it's due to lack of information on forms. They don't open the package. They check the paperwork and try to contact the sender for more info which in this case was for value of the goods being imported to determine duty owed.
Except I instructed Mands in what to write to form to have the package pass, Mr. I-know-customs-so-well.
They typically store it in a distribution center or holding area till figured out. That's even before it arrives in the destination country.
BULLSHIT
Also, Mands can check the tracking and see it was never held OUTSIDE of destination country.

If they can't contact sender then they ask the addressee.
BULLSHIT
They NEVER contact the sender first.
It could have also been an issue of incomplete address of the receiver which needed clarification.
BULLSHIT
The address was written perfectly and provided correctly. Mands can check with Buck who sent me a package a few days ago with same data and it arrived perfectly on time.

IF they open the box which needed to raise suspicion first, which that wasn't the case,
BULLSHIT
The box raised no suspicion and was stealthied properly, yet it was opened. Random checks is probably something your tiny brain can't comprehend.
customs MUST put a red label and tape it back up that states "opened by customs".
BULLSHIT
They just stamp it you clueless idiot.

OR get a letter sent out about seizure asking for more info which obviously you don't reply or contact them/turn yourself in.
They DID send out the letter and I obviously DID contact them in person.
They also store the package and not trash it.
Woah. I did not expect you to say a single truth a this point. Correct.
Mands didn't say anything about his package looking odd when he got it back.
If your mother had taught you how to read, you'd know Mands admits it was opened.

And finally, there was probably duty to be paid and Jano wasn't willing to pay or pick up for whatever reason.
Except duty is not paid under certain limit and again, I instructed Mands properly regarding that.

So it was sent back untouched.
Why do I bother replying to illiterate retards again?
So in conclusion, Jano = dirty bullshit liar!

Yeah, you totally got me there.

It's totally not you being illiterate bullshitting liar.


I NEVER TOLD JANO I DIDN'T WANT THE RAW DATA!!!! What are you talking about? That's another lie by Jano. So TP asked for raw data and he magically deleted his hard drive that day. Are you serious?

Does TP have any chats with Jano about what happened in customs and that they called him to bring back the package and him telling his gf to switch a vial? Or that when they called him to tell him if he didn't bring it back they were going to charge him. But wait your chat shows that they already charged him once when he picked it up the first time. I guess they were gonna charge him again for the same crime. lol

Nope another person he didn't tell but he loves to give a play play on everything else. Just happened to not tell anyone. Not you, not TP, not me, not a single soul.

I'll get to your other questions in a bit about batch# and package being opened.

Why don't you ask Jano to come here and explain exactly what the package looked like and what the first aid kit looked like. A complete run down of how it was packaged.

mands

It was an incorrect assumption of mine, as I had stated previously I believe you wanted the results only to see for yourself if there were issues in your methodology, not for me posting it online. And I did NOT want them to post here. What would be the point? To get into another shit battle with JIM and lick asslickers?

And no, not the same day, sooner. But if you are being threatened with legal action what would you do? Leave all the sweet data that might be used against you lying on your HDDs? I'd ask you to think about it, but I am not having any illusions.

I still do think I do have the data backed up somewhere and I'm looking for it right now.

The rest of it is just you being assholey.

Not the other ones. generic AAA essays. I was following all those. reading every post. I just dont comment, for the reason you have seen.

Jano litteraly was a new member within days that the first generic essays started. So it just so happened that he waited all this time for his talents of testing to shine right when Dr. Jim and Mands started there road to testing generics.
That seems strange, how come he wasnt doing this before, rather then just during that convienient time. Also if these accredited facilities have trouble testing HGH. How can this one man/women do it with such ease. Thats makes no sense.

1. I've been on Meso a year before. Didn't have the reason to post, as the community is quite spectacular. At least the loudest ones.

2. Why would I post when JIM spreads bullshit about a topic I know a lot about? Well, try figure.

Why doesn't Mands, the righteous, defender of all good, point out when JIM and his little fanclub spread bullshit and ignores it when JIM is called out on it? If he did it, there would be no reason for me to post in those threads ever.

3. "With such ease" You are a special kind, aren't you? The issue is problematic as fuck. Where did I claim it was easy?

For those interested in more evidence GGs comments are factually based try the official web sites for each country.

Great synopsis @GearGodess
Yes, so factual it hurts.

But any lie is good when it supports your point of view, isn't it, jimmy?
 
I'll get to your other questions in a bit about batch# and package being opened.

Okay, so how did I know it was #17 on 17th of November?

Thanks.

Why don't you ask Jano to come here and explain exactly what the package looked like and what the first aid kit looked like. A complete run down of how it was packaged.

There was a 2mm*0.3mm scratch 2.54cm on the right of the upper corner of the right wing of the red cross, with a 25 degree slope pointing to the lower bottom.
 
Except I instructed Mands in what to write to form to have the package pass, Mr. I-know-customs-so-well.

BULLSHIT
Also, Mands can check the tracking and see it was never held OUTSIDE of destination country.


BULLSHIT
They NEVER contact the sender first.

BULLSHIT
The address was written perfectly and provided correctly. Mands can check with Buck who sent me a package a few days ago with same data and it arrived perfectly on time.


BULLSHIT
The box raised no suspicion and was stealthied properly, yet it was opened. Random checks is probably something your tiny brain can't comprehend.

BULLSHIT
They just stamp it you clueless idiot.


They DID send out the letter and I obviously DID contact them in person.

Woah. I did not expect you to say a single truth a this point. Correct.

If your mother had taught you how to read, you'd know Mands admits it was opened.


Except duty is not paid under certain limit and again, I instructed Mands properly regarding that.


Why do I bother replying to illiterate retards again?


Yeah, you totally got me there.

It's totally not you being illiterate bullshitting liar.




It was an incorrect assumption of mine, as I had stated previously I believe you wanted the results only to see for yourself if there were issues in your methodology, not for me posting it online. And I did NOT want them to post here. What would be the point? To get into another shit battle with JIM and lick asslickers?

And no, not the same day, sooner. But if you are being threatened with legal action what would you do? Leave all the sweet data that might be used against you lying on your HDDs? I'd ask you to think about it, but I am not having any illusions.

I still do think I do have the data backed up somewhere and I'm looking for it right now.

The rest of it is just you being assholey.



1. I've been on Meso a year before. Didn't have the reason to post, as the community is quite spectacular. At least the loudest ones.

2. Why would I post when JIM spreads bullshit about a topic I know a lot about? Well, try figure.

Why doesn't Mands, the righteous, defender of all good, point out when JIM and his little fanclub spread bullshit and ignores it when JIM is called out on it? If he did it, there would be no reason for me to post in those threads ever.

3. "With such ease" You are a special kind, aren't you? The issue is problematic as fuck. Where did I claim it was easy?


Yes, so factual it hurts.

But any lie is good when it supports your point of view, isn't it, jimmy?
But you didn't get a letter. You stated you searched the tracking and contacted them right?

They actually put a pink and green sticker on it and said refused(checked with an X) on the package.

I assumed it was open because when the person who received the package back said it was open. When I got the package it was open on the end. It was very beat up from traveling all over the world.

You do know I have pics of the package correct?

@jano explain how it was packed up please?

mands
 
It looks to me like they say it is ONLY 8.8mg that is counterfeited. I believe the sample n question was 4mg which this article says are not being counterfeited.
This is correct and was pointed out by @muscle96ss I believe. He was posting this showing that pharm grade seros have had fakes is all. That it's not out of the question.

mands
 
It looks to me like they say it is ONLY 8.8mg that is counterfeited. I believe the sample n question was 4mg which this article says are not being counterfeited.

Not yet... that may change very soon.

Just pointing out that it is impossible to say that the sample is 100% legit is all. Just because they haven't identified a new counterfeit doesn't mean it is not possible. I mean how long were those 8.8's going around before they were caught... no one knows!
 
There was a 2mm*0.3mm scratch 2.54cm on the right of the upper corner of the right wing of the red cross, with a 25 degree slope pointing to the lower bottom.
This kind of answer is typical of someone that doesn't know how it was packaged. This is not a joke as you are trying to make light of the situation.

mands
 
But you didn't get a letter. You stated you searched the tracking and contacted them right?

They actually put a pink and green sticker on it and said refused(checked with an X) on the package.

I assumed it was open because when the person who received the package back said it was open. When I got the package it was open on the end. It was very beat up from traveling all over the world.

@jano explain how it was packed up please?

mands
Yes. Got the letter as well around that time.
 
Yes. Got the letter as well around that time.
I'm sure you have the letter still and shows when it was post marked and you documented when it arrived?

Are you going to describe the contents of the package and how it was packaged?

mands
 
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