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Jano "The ultimate Con-man and Liar?" thread...You be the judge

mands said:
The fact of the matter is this... All else aside he can't be trusted.

Some things that you DO NOT know is that I had a few very well respected members here and at PM that were convinced his elaborate story was true.

@Buck1973 @muscle96ss just to name a couple. These guys talked to me daily about him and ensured me how great he was and how I should believe him. I almost did for a while and then we actually had several civil conversations. But, I knew something wasn't right.

Hell I almost met up with Buck in his hometown to train and talk about it. But, time didn't permit. That's how big this thing was to me.

Since then muscles has apologized to me and that takes a great man to do so when they actually mean it. Thank you big guy.

As far others that tried to convince me, I will be waiting for their apology. :)


I respect you as well bud.

The only thing that I have a problem with is that you are very respected and when you say you are going to use his testing it muddies the waters in my opinion.

We can agree to disagree here and no hard feelings my way.

mands
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Well I don't think many here do not believe you. Like I said before you came with proof. But to speculate @jano had anything to do with @Analyzer downfall is just that, speculation.


@janoshik do you care to respond to @Analyzer situation. I know I joked about it in the past, and you commented on it.
 
rpbb said:
Jano's personality sucks (I'm guilty of that as well, and I'm working on it). But he's doing alot of testing on other boards, and they seem to be ok with it (not to mention, I think alot of people are going off his testing on the blacktops). so if I have the need to have any hgh tested, I'd be more than comfortable using the guy
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You'd be more than comfortable using someone that puts out fake test results?

Don't pretend this is about harm reduction and your concern for the community, RB. This is about your own self-interest. Your position is actually harming the community by giving noobs the confidence to use a known scammer.
 
CensoredBoardsSuck said:
You'd be more than comfortable using someone that puts out fake test results?

Don't pretend this is about harm reduction and your concern for the community, RB. This is about your own self-interest. Your position is actually harming the community by giving noobs the confidence to use a known scammer.
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I'm going to think long and hard about what you said, and than respond, because you are one of the people I respect here more than anybody
 
AnTabolic73 said:
Well I don't think many here do not believe you. Like I said before you came with proof. But to speculate @jano had anything to do with @Analyzer downfall is just that, speculation.


@janoshik do you care to respond to @Analyzer situation. I know I joked about it in the past, and you commented on it.
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The whole situation is very unfortunate and as a keen eye might have noticed, even in the article itself, we are doing what he can to help in the situation.

Due to Analyzer's security concerns we will not specify further until this blows away.
 
MindlessWork said:
Now that sounds like a strong motive and what you say about that @janoshik ?
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Shut up.
janoshik said:
We've taken steps to prevent that from ever happening again over a year ago, Sir.

Pictures of every sample received are provided to the customers and all the raw data are stored, backed up and provided upon request.

We think we are more open about the procedures we use than any other analytical laboratory we've encountered and we have demonstrated the fact that we use legitimate pharmacopoeia issued standards, not improvisation during out work.
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I thought you weren't suppose to leave your testing thread?
 
rpbb said:
I'm going to think long and hard about what you said, and than respond, because you are one of the people I respect here more than anybody
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I appreciate your confidence in me, RB. It may be unwarranted, but appreciated nonetheless. Fwiw, the sentiment is mutual.

I know your intentions are benevolent, but I think in this particular instance you're off the mark. That's just my opinion and I could be wrong, but felt I needed to state it anyway. You've always shown good judgement so whatever you decide with regard to jano's testing, I know it'll be because you've thought it through and decided it's best for the Meso community. Best of luck.

CBS
 
CensoredBoardsSuck said:
I appreciate your confidence in me, RB. It may be unwarranted, but appreciated nonetheless. Fwiw, the sentiment is mutual.

I know your intentions are benevolent, but I think in this particular instance you're off the mark. That's just my opinion and I could be wrong, but felt I needed to state it anyway. You've always shown good judgement so whatever you decide with regard to jano's testing, I know it'll be because you've thought it through and decided it's best for the Meso community. Best of luck.

CBS
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Thanks, that means a lot coming from you. still trying to figure out what to do at a personnel level. Going to take my time doing it. One thing I've learned being in my 50s is that if you take time making decisions, they answer usually comes to you
 
rpbb said:
Thanks, that means a lot coming from you. still trying to figure out what to do at a personnel level. Going to take my time doing it. One thing I've learned being in my 50s is that if you take time making decisions, they answer usually comes to you
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It's encouraging to read conversations of differing opinions between mature thinkers. Wish there was more of this here.
Sad thing is, most younger guys will just skip over reading them; and continue to have open pissing contests.
 
If everyone could throw a "go fuck yourself" in there every now and again it would be great though. Spice up life little :)

mdhx3 said:
It's encouraging to read conversations of differing opinions between mature thinkers. Wish there was more of this here.
Sad thing is, most younger guys will just skip over reading them; and continue to have open pissing contests.
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mdhx3 said:
Or a "GTFO you cock-riding shill fuckboy".....
Those are my favorite.
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There's been a few guys that have come through here that went absoloutley wild with those insults. Lol. Probably better to just stay civil haha
 
rpbb said:
Thanks, that means a lot coming from you. still trying to figure out what to do at a personnel level. Going to take my time doing it. One thing I've learned being in my 50s is that if you take time making decisions, they answer usually comes to you
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Words of wisdom right there.
ickyrica said:
If everyone could throw a "go fuck yourself" in there every now and again it would be great though. Spice up life little :)
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Go fuck yourself!

Lol
 
mands said:
So, here's the story of Jano and my experience with him. I was contemplation not going this route AND handle it privately BUT, now he's trying to insult my intelligence by giving me some bull crap story. I will share with you.

I sent Jano three samples of GH (TP's black TOP meditrope batch #17) for testing. The reason we/he wanted to check his testing with the current AAA testing that myself and @Dr JIM are using. Of course our testing isn't any good by Jano's standard and a few others from PM.

So, I got a private message from Jano that my package was stuck in customs and asked if I used my real address. I skated around the question and told him it was not my address. He said no worries he could get it out of customs no problem and he would test it.

I was supposed to tell him when I received the testing back from our lab to compare to his. Here is our convo on that...

  1. janoActive Member
    Hello Mr. Mands.

    I just checked and the package seem to have been stopped by customs.

    Would you please describe the package completely to me please? So I can decide if I should try picking it up, or if it's too big a risk.

    I apologise for the trouble.

    jano, Oct 23, 2016Report
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  2. mandsWell-Known MemberAnabolicLab.com Supporter
    EDITED TOO MUCH INFO. Took out some product and placed 3 vials in there wrapped up.

    mands

    mands, Oct 24, 2016EditReport
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  3. janoActive Member
    Were the vials marked in any way except the batch # ?

    jano, Oct 24, 2016Report
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  4. mandsWell-Known MemberAnabolicLab.com Supporter
    Nope only batch#

    mands

    mands, Oct 24, 2016EditReport
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  5. janoActive Member
    Thank you, I'll try to pick them up tomorrow.

    jano, Oct 24, 2016Report
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  6. janoActive Member
    Hello Mr. Mands,
    regarding the return address - did you provide your real address?

    jano, Oct 25, 2016Report
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  7. mandsWell-Known MemberAnabolicLab.com Supporter
    I provided a real address but not my home.

    mands

    mands, Oct 25, 2016EditReport
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  8. janoActive Member
    Good, they had the address noted down, for some reason, just thought I'd warn you.

    Give or take a few hours and I'll be ready

    jano, Oct 25, 2016Report
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  9. mandsWell-Known MemberAnabolicLab.com Supporter
    Okay! Noted where?

    mands

    mands, Oct 25, 2016EditReport
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  10. janoActive Member
    "Contact sender for more informaiton" at the customs.

    They only gave it to me, because I am registered lab, but I might suffering some consequences due to the samples being found out.

    The stealth was good, it was just a bad coincidence

    jano, Oct 25, 2016Report
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Okay so a little more back in forth messaging and then he reaches out to me asking if I had any info back(news)...

any news?
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  1. janoActive Member
    thanks

    - jano

    jano, Nov 19, 2016Report
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  2. mandsWell-Known MemberAnabolicLab.com Supporter
    Okay I'm ready when you are. How did those Black tops turn out for you.

    mands

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  3. janoActive Member
    I tested #17 three times:

    5.2mg was the average result.

    A vial from your kit was 5.27mg

    So it seems that you consistently get lower results than me and I am very confident in my results.

    jano, Nov 22, 2016Report
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Here is when it gets good...

Yesterday I get a call from my GF and she says did you get something for Christmas from the Czech Republic. I told her to leave it at the door.

I get home and take a look at it and wow I open it and look inside to my amazement the package and (3) gh vials #17 were in the pack. right where I put them. Wrapped up in a two band aids I put them in with all the contents that were in the package I sent.

So, I contact one person by phone this morning from MESO(that I trust). Then I get on encrypted message and talk to two other members from PM and MESO. I told one straight out and mentioned to the other but didn't really give his name. I contacted for their opinion on the matter.

I highly doubt they PM members told him. But, I did get a PM from him stating this...

PM below...
  1. mands, Oct 25, 2016EditReport
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  2. janoActive Member
    Well well well.

    Seems like my lack of communication led you to believe I did lie to you, as you've suggested I am a liar in the thread. I apologize for that and I think it had been pointed out because the package seems to have bounced back to you just now.

    If that's not the case, please, don't feel like having to read any further - though it will not hurt.

    As I have let you know two months ago already, the customs had expressed great interest about the package and gave me trouble regarding it both before and after I got it.

    A few days later, before I got to the analysis or opening the package at all, they called me while I was away about either charging me with importing faked medicine or gave me the option to return the package intact to the sender.

    I had my gf switch one of the vials with one of the spare vials of #17 I had acquired previously for different test and had her carry the package to the customs office to have it shipped back. The customs had pictures of the contents of the package, so it had to be returned 'whole'.

    As I asked you previously if that was your address and you negated it, I simply assumed the pack would bounce and get trashed, so I didn't bother with explaining all this - which seems now like a mistake on my side.

    To be honest, I though I mentioned that to you, but it seems I talked about that with somebody else or misremembered it completely, as it's not in our message history, so I was wrong.

    Had I not checked the state of the package after I had read your passively agressive post in the thread, this could've been left unexplained and I would hate that.

    Please, next time, if there is one, confront me directly out in the open, even if it will make me look like an idiot - it's better to look like one than to leave stuff like this unexplained.

    With best regards,
    janoshik

    jano, Today at 12:49 PMReport
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  3. janoActive Member
    I still stand past my results, as always.

    jano, Today at 12:52 PMReport
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  4. mandsWell-Known MemberAnabolicLab.com Supporter
    I didn't threaten you in the open. You assumed it was you cause you lied about testing my vials or one of the two persons I told from PM told you already. I will handle that next.

    mands

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My questions if I even wanted an answer would be these:

1. Why would you be adamant about what address I used(fake or real)? I know why... That was you could tell me you tested my vials and get away with it if customs wasn't sending it back to a real address.
2. Why would you take the package back down to customs after being called to return it? Just tell them you tossed it. Oh but you were out of town and GF took it. If they threatened you with arrest why would they give it to you in the first place. lol
3. Why would you not tell me this story about customs or your gf switching vials with one of mine? Pretty important info I would think. And you were PM'ing me EOD at least at one point so it's not like we weren't in communication.
4. Why not take all three vials out and replace them with three from your stash if you wanted to test all three vials? I know because it didn't happen. My original band aids holding the vials together were still in there along will all of my other components.

This one bothers me as well...
"As I asked you previously if that was your address and you negated it, I simply assumed the pack would bounce and get trashed, so I didn't bother with explaining all this - which seems now like a mistake on my side.

To be honest, I though I mentioned that to you, but it seems I talked about that with somebody else or misremembered it completely, as it's not in our message history, so I was wrong."
You state that you thought it would get trashed so you didn't bother explaining it. BUT, to be honest you thought you did mention it. lol So you mentioned to somebody you are getting packages from me? WTF. Oh wait you now maybe "misremembered" it completely hahahahaha.

So many more but at this point anything you say will not change my mind on what has transpired here.

Sorry so long.

mands
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Idk who to even go to lol...

I wanna test some new powder I'm gonna buy. No...I'm not gonna say what powders.
If I send a sample, shouldn't they be able to know what it is?

This is all so confusing to me. But shouldn't we be able to weed out the scamners by simply sending a random product to be tested? Of course this would have to be confirmed the same/legit by another tester

Sigh...
 
onslaughter said:
Idk who to even go to lol...

I wanna test some new powder I'm gonna buy. No...I'm not gonna say what powders.
If I send a sample, shouldn't they be able to know what it is?

This is all so confusing to me. But shouldn't we be able to weed out the scamners by simply sending a random product to be tested? Of course this would have to be confirmed the same/legit by another tester

Sigh...
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Horrible idea. That’s the equivalent of determining someone’s morals by telling them, I’m going to ask you a question and if you answer me truthfully, you get the keys to the kingdom but if you lie I bury you.

Umm... gee... what do you think they will do in that particular instance? Lie?????

Dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. Trying to see if a proven liar is now trustworthy by a single test question.

How about we do what people with common sense do. When a “business” lies to you, you don’t deal with them any longer, period.
 
Sdryx said:
Horrible idea. That’s the equivalent of determining someone’s morals by telling them, I’m going to ask you a question and if you answer me truthfully, you get the keys to the kingdom but if you lie I bury you.

Umm... gee... what do you think they will do in that particular instance? Lie?????

Dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. Trying to see if a proven liar is now trustworthy by a single test question.

How about we do what people with common sense do. When a “business” lies to you, you don’t deal with them any longer, period.
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How many have been scammed?

All these tests elsewhere are fake?
 
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