Kali Muscle: Bodybuilding Must Be Stopped

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Kali Muscle:

"It's the most unhealthy sport there is if you want to call it a sport. It's just terrible. There's no purpose for it bro. I see bodybuilding on its way out - phasing out. And I agree, too many people died bro. For what? For nothing.
"And they die broke. We gotta do a gofundme. They don't even have life insurance which is only a hundred dollars a month.
"And I, you know, I don't want to pinpoint the people I know personally that have health problems because of bodybuilding but it's sad bro to see them go through this pain and heart attacks. It's pointless.
"You know, it just reminded me of friends I lost in the street life. I look back now like this man died over owing somebody 100 bucks, 500 bucks. Here we dying just to have unnatural looking muscles.
"All ya'll bodybuilders out there man.. quit bruh. You gonna die... young. Simple as that man.
"I was 46. Lucky I lived through it. I had my heart attack the same day as Shaun Rhoden. I just didn't announce it because I don't want to, you know, overshadow his death or whatever.
Men could have still be alive. Cedric, Sean, George Peterson, Mountain Dog. The list goes on."
 
I feel like you can still live this lifestyle as long as harm reduction is practiced.

Great gains can be made off nothing but 500mg test cycles.

All these men made a conscious decision of how much they were putting in their bodies.
 
I feel like you can still live this lifestyle as long as harm reduction is practiced.

Great gains can be made off nothing but 500mg test cycles.

All these men made a conscious decision of how much they were putting in their bodies.
This lifestyle? Or that of an IFBB pro open competitor? There's quite a difference.
 

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Kali Muscle:

"It's the most unhealthy sport there is if you want to call it a sport. It's just terrible. There's no purpose for it bro. I see bodybuilding on its way out - phasing out. And I agree, too many people died bro. For what? For nothing.
"And they die broke. We gotta do a gofundme. They don't even have life insurance which is only a hundred dollars a month.
"And I, you know, I don't want to pinpoint the people I know personally that have health problems because of bodybuilding but it's sad bro to see them go through this pain and heart attacks. It's pointless.
"You know, it just reminded me of friends I lost in the street life. I look back now like this man died over owing somebody 100 bucks, 500 bucks. Here we dying just to have unnatural looking muscles.
"All ya'll bodybuilders out there man.. quit bruh. You gonna die... young. Simple as that man.
"I was 46. Lucky I lived through it. I had my heart attack the same day as Shaun Rhoden. I just didn't announce it because I don't want to, you know, overshadow his death or whatever.
Men could have still be alive. Cedric, Sean, George Peterson, Mountain Dog. The list goes on."

Recently, really, there are a lot of deaths in the world of bodybuilding, it gives a reason to think, and is it worth dealing with the method of pro?
 
I feel like you can still live this lifestyle as long as harm reduction is practiced.

Great gains can be made off nothing but 500mg test cycles.

All these men made a conscious decision of how much they were putting in their bodies.
Recently, really, there are a lot of deaths in the world of bodybuilding, it gives a reason to think, and is it worth dealing with the method of pro?
I remember John Romano used to go around 10-20 years ago on national news circuit asking reporters to "show me the bodies" when asked about the dangers of AAS. AAS-using bodybuilders everywhere would nod their head in agreement that the dangers/risks were grossly overstated. This phrase resonated because bodybuilders - pros and recreational - weren't dropping.

But what about now? Have things changed? And what specifically has changed? Have AAS all of sudden become more dangerous in the past decade? Or is something else going on?

To answer these questions will involve a lot of speculation. I hope no one disputes that AAS are powerful drugs that have health consequences. But assigning blame in recent deaths is not as straightforward and precise as many people like to claim.

I'll throw out a few observations in some things that I think have changed in the last 20 years:

First, the whole idea of cycling steroids on and OFF has been thrown out the window. The "gospel" in previous years was to make sure you spent at least an equal amount of time completely off bodybuilding drugs as you did on.

If you wanted to be conservative, you would spend 2x as much time off as on.

The reckless aggressive approach involved 2x as much time ON as off.

But when bodybuilders spent time off drug, they were REALLY off drugs. There was no "bridging" bullshit. A lot more self-restraint.

And for the dosages, the UGL era and the rise of the internet ushered in a readily available and unbelievably wide selection of cheap steroids. In the past, only the top competitors and those who made a living off physique could justify spending so much money. Now everyone can afford year-round use of AAS and some even hGH. I suspect many recreational AAS users today are using dosages that far exceed those of even competitors in the 70s, 80s, 90s and for more extended periods.

The patterns of AAS have dramatically changed.

A few other brief thoughts...

The whole opioid epidemic has had far-reaching consequences for the entire country. The level of addiction, even in recovered indivduals, probably makes more vulnerable and susceptible to side effects of other drugs - especially in extreme lifestyles like bodybuilding.

IFBB pros and competitors are competing far longer than their counterparts in the 70s-90s. Most earlier generations of bodybuilders retired younger (under 40). Pros like Lee Haney, Lee Labrada, Rich Gaspari, and even Dorian Yates retired by their mid-30s, quickly lost tons of bodyweight (and presumably stopped using significant quantities of AAS/other drugs). Even Jay Cutler quit in his 30s and dramatically downsized.

Body size. I'm guessing that top bodybuilders - at every level - are much bigger in size than in previous decades. Hopefully, someone has data already or can compile data on this.

More thoughts later.

What do you think?
 
I remember John Romano used to go around 10-20 years ago on national news circuit asking reporters to "show me the bodies" when asked about the dangers of AAS. AAS-using bodybuilders everywhere would nod their head in agreement that the dangers/risks were grossly overstated. This phrase resonated because bodybuilders - pros and recreational - weren't dropping.

But what about now? Have things changed? And what specifically has changed? Have AAS all of sudden become more dangerous in the past decade? Or is something else going on?

To answer these questions will involve a lot of speculation. I hope no one disputes that AAS are powerful drugs that have health consequences. But assigning blame in recent deaths is not as straightforward and precise as many people like to claim.

I'll throw out a few observations in some things that I think have changed in the last 20 years:

First, the whole idea of cycling steroids on and OFF has been thrown out the window. The "gospel" in previous years was to make sure you spent at least an equal amount of time completely off bodybuilding drugs as you did on.

If you wanted to be conservative, you would spend 2x as much time off as on.

The reckless aggressive approach involved 2x as much time ON as off.

But when bodybuilders spent time off drug, they were REALLY off drugs. There was no "bridging" bullshit. A lot more self-restraint.

And for the dosages, the UGL era and the rise of the internet ushered in a readily available and unbelievably wide selection of cheap steroids. In the past, only the top competitors and those who made a living off physique could justify spending so much money. Now everyone can afford year-round use of AAS and some even hGH. I suspect many recreational AAS users today are using dosages that far exceed those of even competitors in the 70s, 80s, 90s and for more extended periods.

The patterns of AAS have dramatically changed.

A few other brief thoughts...

The whole opioid epidemic has had far-reaching consequences for the entire country. The level of addiction, even in recovered indivduals, probably makes more vulnerable and susceptible to side effects of other drugs - especially in extreme lifestyles like bodybuilding.

IFBB pros and competitors are competing far longer than their counterparts in the 70s-90s. Most earlier generations of bodybuilders retired younger (under 40). Pros like Lee Haney, Lee Labrada, Rich Gaspari, and even Dorian Yates retired by their mid-30s, quickly lost tons of bodyweight (and presumably stopped using significant quantities of AAS/other drugs). Even Jay Cutler quit in his 30s and dramatically downsized.

Body size. I'm guessing that top bodybuilders - at every level - are much bigger in size than in previous decades. Hopefully, someone has data already or can compile data on this.

More thoughts later.

What do you think?
I agree strongly with every point you've made. I might say that a 1 on / 3 off (so basically one 12 - 16 week "blast" yearly) is necessary to mitigate cardiac maladaptations as well.

I think this obsession with bloodwork results (and confidently resuming "blasting" with the normalization of a few serum values) is the heart of the problem.

I also think that fast-/rapid- acting insulin formulations (i.e., cardiovascular risks likely attendant to undetected hypoglycemia; hyperinsulinemia; insulin toxicity) are contributing substantially to this morbid trend.
 
I agree strongly with every point you've made. I might say that a 1 on / 3 off (so basically one 12 - 16 week "blast" yearly) is necessary to mitigate cardiac maladaptations as well.

I think this obsession with bloodwork results (and confidently resuming "blasting" with the normalization of a few serum values) is the heart of the problem.

I also think that fast-/rapid- acting insulin formulations (i.e., cardiovascular risks likely attendant to undetected hypoglycemia; hyperinsulinemia; insulin toxicity) are contributing substantially to this morbid trend.
I think this is a very serious issue and needs attention.
 
BB Careers these days are generated and maintained through online media. There was a time pre-internet when you could cycle off and live a normal life for 6 months and then get back to work. Those days are over with idiots always in front of the camera to keep the money coming in.

BB was once a young mans game, most quit by the time they were 35 at least from competition if they had an IQ above 90.

A young man can get away with quite a bit, but once you're in your 40's and heading towards 50 it's time to call it quits and stick with trt.

Poly pharmacy to cover up a cascade of side effects.

Steroids offer up side effects as a warning, if you're paying attention and you're half way sane you'll simply stop and let the body recover and repair.

Too much weight, high hct, increased blood pressure, eating too much.

Doctors have known for decades that fasting, normal or lower body weight allow for increased longevity. BB does just about everything in the opposite direction of recommendations coming from longevity experts. Weight training naturally is very healthy, but that's not what the BB community is about.

Give chickens steroids to grow fast and they'll end up dead fast, that's just the way it is.

I think body builders today are either suicidal because they know deep down when they're 40+ they're destroying their health, or they need to snap back into reality and realize their adults and there comes a time when you have to put the toys away and grow up.

Every steroid outside of normal dose T is doing harm to your body.

We all know this, we've done the other steroids and seen the side effects of high blood pressure, of feeling like dog shit, gasping for air when we go up a short set of stairs, seeing stairs when the heart rate is elevated and we're carrying too much mass and our hct is sky high.

Lets be honest, we love steroids because they make us strong, but what they do to our heart and kidneys is rather destructive. And that's the problem, how do you leave this lifestyle, that feeling of being strong, but knowing deep down your cardiovascular conditioning is total shit.

I've seen it in myself and my family that use steroids. It's almost impossible to quit even though you know that you're killing yourself as a middle aged man. Quitting leads to misery and a feeling of weakness, not quitting leads to a heart that stops while you're taking a shit.
 
I think bodybuilding is gay. Prove me wrong.

I've always just wanted to look good to get pussy....not stand up in front of a bunch of queers in my speedo and pose.
Bodybuilding has probably run through all of its potential as far as development. At some point it becomes a dead art form, people just keep it alive for the sake of nothing better to do with their time.

Lets be honest since Steve Reeves and Frank Zane, has there been any need for anything more. There is a certain body that is ideal, moving past that point ventures into the absurd.

These days attracting a women with body building is ignoring the obvious that women care about wealth, power, education, accomplishment, confidence, and a huge penis if you don't have good looks. Big muscles aren't important to a women, matter of fact women seem to be more attracted to the sexy poetic bad boy that has a tall skinny frame that can fill a ladies life with constant drama that gives her a purpose in life.

As for gay competitive body building, it certainly has a gay porn aspect to it, it's kind of creepy.
 
I think the judging and scoring standards is the real problem when it comes to the pro scene.
At a certain point it becomes a beauty contest. Those that have the perfect size frame and pleasing faces will win.

Lets be honest, the best body builders of the past where the best looking regardless if they had ever hit the gym or not.

The problem might be precisely because modern bb competitions have moved from this beauty standard and instead choose body builders that are ugly and gross to look at from head to toe.
 
I'm convinced people who say this haven't actually tried to pickup girls whilst large
As a young or older man?

Sure a fit young man is gonna attract a women. Physical attraction is what a young person is drawn to because they haven't lived long enough to develop in other areas of life, they are more carefree and attracted by more base animal instincts.

That said a 35+ man is dealing with something far more complex than just muscles. What attracts a women is probably facial appearance, teeth, full head of hair, height, and of course she's gonna ask for your resume as far as career, education, finances. I've seen scrawny dudes that were medical doctors with wives that look like super models, this is the way it works for a mature man.
 
As a young or older man?

Sure a fit young man is gonna attract a women. Physical attraction is what a young person is drawn to because they haven't lived long enough to develop in other areas of life, they are more carefree and attracted by more base animal instincts.

That said a 35+ man is dealing with something far more complex than just muscles. What attracts a women is probably facial appearance, teeth, full head of hair, height, and of course she's gonna ask for your resume as far as career, education, finances. I've seen scrawny dudes that were medical doctors with wives that look like super models, this is the way it works for a mature man.
Perhaps. But you're the one who referred to all women.
 
Perhaps. But you're the one who referred to all women.
I've seen it enough times that I can say the vast majority of women are after something other than big muscles.

That said I wouldn't worry about what a women wants or work hard to become something a women desires, I've never met a women that is worth in my life even the slightest amount of effort. If she wants to sit on your dick that's great, if she is demanding you become the perfect man in her eyes you're better off with a hooker.
 
I've seen it enough times that I can say the vast majority of women are after something other than big muscles.

That said I wouldn't worry about what a women wants or work hard to become something a women desires, I've never met a women that is worth in my life even the slightest amount of effort. If she wants to sit on your dick that's great, if she is demanding you become the perfect man in her eyes you're better off with a hooker.
Yes but it depends entirely on which dating stage you're at.
You talk like big muscles isn't going to help. But it always will.
 
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