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You won't even respond to ben on the internet- wittle guy wants to beat me up? I'm wicked scared of a guy who makes threats online. Terrified actually.
 
You won't even respond to ben on the internet- wittle guy wants to beat me up? I'm wicked scared of a guy who makes threats online. Terrified actually.
Dont need to respond to ben. This doesnt concern him. You always cry for someone to fight your battles you child molesting clownfuck? Better call the WAHHHHBulance. WAHHHH
 
He SPEAKS!!!!! Just vicariously to One certain Man!!!!! lets see...Let me just THINK here for a few minutes about a more appropriate name for Italian Muscle..Oh Yes..But first, the all important disclaimer:"This has Nothing to do with Ben..." It seems he doesnt wish to offend Ben(but who does?).
I.M. likes to call other Members names, even tries to put a jacket on them too! For shame,for shame!

"Shy Italian Muscle"? Neh!..."Selective Italian Muscle"Maybe! Uhhhhh " Uses Unfounded Perjoratives,Because He Has NO PAPERS TO SUPPORT BULLSHIT ALLEGATIONS,BECAUSE NO SUCH PAPER EXIST. WHICH COULD CAUSE ONE TO BELIEVE HE HATES EX-CONS. THUS EMPLOYING THE CONVENTIONAL KNOWLEDGE-FLOW MODELS, THIS MIGHT LEAD US TO SURMISE THAT HE EITHER HAD A ROUGH GO HIMSELF IN THE JOINT..OR..HE IS SOMEHOW SYMPATHETIC TO OR BELONGS TO A BRANCH OF DEAR UNCLE SAMS LAW ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS Italian Muscle" Well it's nothing he hasnt said to or about respected members at one time or another.

Shoot,I shouldnt think this way, it kind of makes me feel like I'm capable of using the same tactics I so vehemently rail against.But then again,I'm just THINKING it NOT saying it! Kinda like one of those dream sequences in the "Brady Bunch" you know like when Greg pictured himself doing something to make Marsha look bad in front of her cheer-leader friends! Sorry Men..Just musing out loud here,Please bear with me a sec....

WAIT!! " Wants To Fit In But Doesn't Know How Italian Muscle"? Lets see that would be easier to just type "WTFIBDKHIM". Thats TEN letters,might be pushing him too hard!.. How about..."C'mon dude,lets just cut the crap, kinda' just start over and be the otherwise knowledgeable,has a lot to contribute(other than constant shit-talking everyone in unacceptable ways) and become a decent Member Italian Muscle!"...By Jove, I Think We Got It!!!!!...But only ONE Man can make this decision. I think I think too much sometimes.Glad I wasnt thinking out loud!!:rolleyes:

Goose
Funny, how you run from thread to thread asking for bigben to step in.. He doesnt run this place and neither do you.. Again, this has nothing to do with ben..
 
He SPEAKS!!!!! Just vicariously to One certain Man!!!!! lets see...Let me just THINK here for a few minutes about a more appropriate name for Italian Muscle..Oh Yes..But first, the all important disclaimer:"This has Nothing to do with Ben..." It seems he doesnt wish to offend Ben(but who does?).
I.M. likes to call other Members names, even tries to put a jacket on them too! For shame,for shame!

"Shy Italian Muscle"? Neh!..."Selective Italian Muscle"Maybe! Uhhhhh " Uses Unfounded Perjoratives,Because He Has NO PAPERS TO SUPPORT BULLSHIT ALLEGATIONS,BECAUSE NO SUCH PAPER EXIST. WHICH COULD CAUSE ONE TO BELIEVE HE HATES EX-CONS. THUS EMPLOYING THE CONVENTIONAL KNOWLEDGE-FLOW MODELS, THIS MIGHT LEAD US TO SURMISE THAT HE EITHER HAD A ROUGH GO HIMSELF IN THE JOINT..OR..HE IS SOMEHOW SYMPATHETIC TO OR BELONGS TO A BRANCH OF DEAR UNCLE SAMS LAW ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS Italian Muscle" Well it's nothing he hasnt said to or about respected members at one time or another.

Shoot,I shouldnt think this way, it kind of makes me feel like I'm capable of using the same tactics I so vehemently rail against.But then again,I'm just THINKING it NOT saying it! Kinda like one of those dream sequences in the "Brady Bunch" you know like when Greg pictured himself doing something to make Marsha look bad in front of her cheer-leader friends! Sorry Men..Just musing out loud here,Please bear with me a sec....

WAIT!! " Wants To Fit In But Doesn't Know How Italian Muscle"? Lets see that would be easier to just type "WTFIBDKHIM". Thats TEN letters,might be pushing him too hard!.. How about..."C'mon dude,lets just cut the crap, kinda' just start over and be the otherwise knowledgeable,has a lot to contribute(other than constant shit-talking everyone in unacceptable ways) and become a decent Member Italian Muscle!"...By Jove, I Think We Got It!!!!!...But only ONE Man can make this decision. I think I think too much sometimes.Glad I wasnt thinking out loud!!:rolleyes:

Goose

And THAT'S what so many of us mean when we say "there is only one goose!". :)
 
Yea I looked over their site and here's what is missing for "research lab"
1) an address
2) a phone number
3) a COUNTRY
4) any PIs (principal investigators contact info)
5) DEA institutional number
6)) DHHS lab certificate number
7) No listing of a laboratory certifying agency such as NIST (establishes many existing lab testing standards), CILA (required in ALL 50 states), ACLASS (determines calibration and proficiency criteria on an international basis)
8) NO real time analytical data such as MS, HPLC (I saw ONE digitized GS/MS)
9) Some lame synopsis of test results statistics WO ANY analytical data supporting said results
10) Limited ability to report data as a concentration (A relative ratio is used instead yet no conversion factor is provided)
11) Inability to reliably detect substances with similar MW such as LSD, (NOT in a DEA registered research lab)

Yep this is a "lab" alright an UGL, :)
Finally how presumptuous and ignorant of you to assume "no one on Meso" would understand or be able to interpret analytical raw data. See GM that's what happens when a board like TID refuses to appreciate "cut and paste" evidence based info, you don't learn shit and the board morphs into meaningless chit chat.

So speak for yourself when making comments such as the educational level on Meso bc this is an evidence based forum where MS and HPLCs are posted. Consequently several of the folk here are able to interpret this data quite well, and many more have a basic understanding, and capture it's meaning much better than those living in caves.

FINALLY ANYONE SENDING MONEY TO THIS LAB, FOR TESTING, IS WASTING THEIR MONEY AND LIKELY LINING THE POCKETS OF SOMEONE FAR AWAY WHERE RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR FALSE ADVERTISING DON'T APPLY!
Yea I looked over their site and here's what is missing for "research lab"
1) an address
2) a phone number
3) a COUNTRY
4) any PIs (principal investigators contact info)
5) DEA institutional number
6)) DHHS lab certificate number
7) No listing of a laboratory certifying agency such as NIST (establishes many existing lab testing standards), CILA (required in ALL 50 states), ACLASS (determines calibration and proficiency criteria on an international basis)
8) NO real time analytical data such as MS, HPLC (I saw ONE digitized GS/MS)
9) Some lame synopsis of test results statistics WO ANY analytical data supporting said results
10) Limited ability to report data as a concentration (A relative ratio is used instead yet no conversion factor is provided)
11) Inability to reliably detect substances with similar MW such as LSD, (NOT in a DEA registered research lab)

Yep this is a "lab" alright an UGL, :)
Finally how presumptuous and ignorant of you to assume "no one on Meso" would understand or be able to interpret analytical raw data. See GM that's what happens when a board like TID refuses to appreciate "cut and paste" evidence based info, you don't learn shit and the board morphs into meaningless chit chat.

So speak for yourself when making comments such as the educational level on Meso bc this is an evidence based forum where MS and HPLCs are posted. Consequently several of the folk here are able to interpret this data quite well, and many more have a basic understanding, and capture it's meaning much better than those living in caves.

FINALLY ANYONE SENDING MONEY TO THIS LAB, FOR TESTING, IS WASTING THEIR MONEY AND LIKELY LINING THE POCKETS OF SOMEONE FAR AWAY WHERE RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR FALSE ADVERTISING DON'T APPLY!

I suppose I apologize bc it's turns out all the misleading advertising by ECTASYDATA made me jump to conclusions.

But rest assured DDL is indeed a "Drug Detection Lab" used for confirming positive drug tests. But they are obviously no analytical research lab.

So are they worth using, NIMO!

The exception being if you as an AAS user want to know IF a particular anabolic purchase actually contained the compound listed on the bottle.

Yep so all that crap GETM was selling containing only 10% of that which was listed on the vial would have PASSED!

Pretty damn misleading IMO, nope no apology necessary.
:)
 
I suppose I apologize bc it's turns out all the misleading advertising by ECTASYDATA made me jump to conclusions.

But rest assured DDL is indeed a "Drug Detection Lab" used for confirming positive drug tests. But they are obviously no analytical research lab.

So are they worth using, NIMO!

The exception being if you as an AAS user want to know IF a particular anabolic purchase actually contained the compound listed on the bottle.

Yep so all that crap GETM was selling containing only 10% of that which was listed on the vial would have PASSED!

Pretty damn misleading IMO, nope no apology necessary.
:)

Doc, I think you and Manwhore have been too hard on yourselves regarding GetM. Your intent was not to mislead, and all of the real world experiences of GetM users you were aware of were positive.

Only speaking for myself, but I have never held you or MW responsible for that shit. Fuck GetM, that shit was on them, they were the ones attempting to get over on us users. It's not like you knew they were sketchy, yet promoted them.
 
DDL is an accredited, DEA-licensed laboratory. I don't think its credibility is the issue. The only criticism is that it doesn't release quantitative data with specific milligrams per milliliter/tablet (or raw data). DDL cites an unwritten administrative rule that prohibits USA-based labs from releasing such data due to the possibility that it provides quality control services for illegal underground labs and dealers.

The Ecstasydata.org/DDL arrangement was the original model that we had hoped to follow for a MESO-Rx sponsored steroid testing & harm reduction program. Of course, MESO wanted to publish detailed quantitative data and raw data too.

Interestingly, MESO contacted DDL about steroid testing for a AAS harm reduction program; a representative point blank said that the lab did not perform AAS analysis. So, I find it ironic that DDL continues performing quality control services for @KariusM while refusing to perform harm reduction services for MESO-Rx.
 
I wouldn't be so sure. After SRCS, I don't think there is any accredited, US lab that will publicly release such information on AAS as a public service on an ongoing basis.
This is true, it's why they were stopped from testing

DDL is an accredited, DEA-licensed laboratory. I don't think its credibility is the issue. The only criticism is that it doesn't release quantitative data with specific milligrams per milliliter/tablet (or raw data). DDL cites an unwritten administrative rule that prohibits USA-based labs from releasing such data due to the possibility that it provides quality control services for illegal underground labs and dealers.

The Ecstasydata.org/DDL arrangement was the original model that we had hoped to follow for a MESO-Rx sponsored steroid testing & harm reduction program. Of course, MESO wanted to publish detailed quantitative data and raw data too.

Interestingly, MESO contacted DDL about steroid testing for a AAS harm reduction program; a representative point blank said that the lab did not perform AAS analysis. So, I find it ironic that DDL continues performing quality control services for @KariusM while refusing to perform harm reduction services for MESO-Rx.
There is no lab in The USA that will give ''individuals'' quantitative info. They will release to parties which have a legal or business related need for the info. ie: courts, lawyers doctors, hospitals, pharma, etc

Millard, you just send it in as ''unknown'' and they will post the results.

Oh hogwash that's THEIR administrative rule Millard bc I've worked with four to five labs, all DEA registered, and listing a concentration or purity was NEVER an issue.

You being in the med field would possibly give you a legal need for that type of info but it may also open you up for scrutiny
 
Oh, so a couple loud mouths get on the net, or Meso, and ruin a good sources rep.
(Yea I heard that's why Wallmart is failing too!)

What a bunch of BS GM. Are you suggesting people like GM, IM, CNN and the UN will tolerate such abuse by "little guys"? Why what's the world coming to, the "little guy" has a voice on Meso and the source has to prove it's worthy on a regular basis.

Damn what a novel idea GM, why I like it already fella.

Ya know sources could start by posting MS on the raws many rant and rave about. Or better yet how about UGLs reimbursing those whom were encouraged to test their products and later discovered they were bunk.

Such gestures on behalf of sources would be an equitable means of establishing and maintaining their reputation in this unfair world where the little guy has a distinct advantage.

It's like I said , if you're happy with what and who you have here continue on, by all means. I just don't see a rep. good guy of any sort putting up with it for long. Let's watch MS and see how long before ''labmax' or ms' tests are demanded and trouble begins or does meso not want to rock the boat with the one gtg man here?
 
Yea I looked over their site and here's what is missing for "research lab"
1) an address
2) a phone number
3) a COUNTRY
4) any PIs (principal investigators contact info)
5) DEA institutional number
6)) DHHS lab certificate number
7) No listing of a laboratory certifying agency such as NIST (establishes many existing lab testing standards), CILA (required in ALL 50 states), ACLASS (determines calibration and proficiency criteria on an international basis)
8) NO real time analytical data such as MS, HPLC (I saw ONE digitized GS/MS)
9) Some lame synopsis of test results statistics WO ANY analytical data supporting said results
10) Limited ability to report data as a concentration (A relative ratio is used instead yet no conversion factor is provided)
11) Inability to reliably detect substances with similar MW such as LSD, (NOT in a DEA registered research lab)

Yep this is a "lab" alright an UGL, :)
Finally how presumptuous and ignorant of you to assume "no one on Meso" would understand or be able to interpret analytical raw data. See GM that's what happens when a board like TID refuses to appreciate "cut and paste" evidence based info, you don't learn shit and the board morphs into meaningless chit chat.

So speak for yourself when making comments such as the educational level on Meso bc this is an evidence based forum where MS and HPLCs are posted. Consequently several of the folk here are able to interpret this data quite well, and many more have a basic understanding, and capture it's meaning much better than those living in caves.

FINALLY ANYONE SENDING MONEY TO THIS LAB, FOR TESTING, IS WASTING THEIR MONEY AND LIKELY LINING THE POCKETS OF SOMEONE FAR AWAY WHERE RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR FALSE ADVERTISING DON'T APPLY!

Reading this it's obvious you don't get it. the DEA is aligned with offshore criminals lmao. Ok Jim.
I thought you were ok and got treated shabbily, I actually stood up for you but now I am re-thinking why so many had a bad image of you. I can admit when I made a mistake and you were obviously one
 
Millard, you just send it in as ''unknown'' and they will post the results.
At best they may reveal a ratio comparing certain urinary metabolites but they will NOT release quantitative info as in mg/ml of the parent compound

Have YOU read the website info GM, NOT
You being in the med field would possibly give you a legal need for that type of info but it may also open you up for scrutiny
Shit if you only understood 1% of what you pretend to, you to might be useful on SOME forum
I can admit when I made a mistake and you were obviously one

Well at least that feeling is mutual!
 
I wouldn't be so sure. After SRCS, I don't think there is any accredited, US lab that will publicly release such information on AAS as a public service on an ongoing basis.

This is true, it's why they were stopped from testing

There is no lab in The USA that will give ''individuals' quantitative info. They will release to parties which have a legal or business related need for the info. ie: courts, lawyers doctors, hospitals, pharma, etc


There is no evidence suggesting SRCS was "stopped from testing" or had their controlled drug license revoked by the DEA because labs are not permitted to "give ''individuals quantitative info." In fact, there is no evidence that they had their controlled substances license revoked at all. The evidence suggest they were strong-armed into surrendering their licence by the DEA's heavy-handed tactics.

According to San Rafael Chemical Services, Inc: "We voluntarily surrendered our controlled substances license and will no longer be capable of providing analysis for the aforementioned substances." http://bodybuilding.elitefitness.com/dea-raids-san-rafael-chemical-services-supplement-and-steroid-testing-lab

GM, If you have evidence proving your case, I want to see it. Otherwise, you are just playing fast and loose with the facts - as usual.
 
I word to the wise IF you are in "a gray area" legally, (generally defined as lawyers posting precedent briefs in court) don't flaunt it, bc that's what SRCS did, IMO!
 
I can admit when I made a mistake and you were obviously one


That would be the first time you ever admitted to a mistake. Your posts in this thread are chock-full of inaccuracies, errors in fact and logic, and complete and total rubbish. These "mistakes" have been pointed out to you numerous times by better and more intelligent members and you have failed to acknowledge a single one. I guess you only admit to your mistakes when you can parlay them into a personal attack on someone. Pathetic.
 
You won't even respond to ben on the internet- wittle guy wants to beat me up? I'm wicked scared of a guy who makes threats online. Terrified actually.

You wont say anything to me face to face.. Feeling is mutal.. Your subtle tough guy remarks are very amusing. Im surprised a fat fuck like yourself could even move around. Your cardio probably sucks. You wouldnt last 3 minutes.. Im sure you look just like your 230lb smooth friend jonnyballz..not a vein or ab showing on your body
 
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