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[ItalianMuscle27]

My, my, my... IM you don't get under my skin, I ain't sweatin' ya man.. Just get out of here already.. You see anyone here following you around starting shit at the forums you're on? No, you don't.. Because nobody fucking cares except you..

You brag about money, "VIP trips", and having the body of a Greek god but none of it's true.. Why you have so much time to post in the mornings again this week? That's not like you.. You laid off again? This post was less than a year ago:

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Like they say, if you're bragging about something you probably don't fucking have it.. Sounds like you're balling out of control over there...

Get off my dick and maybe I'll stop embarrassing you.. Your call..

You must get off trolling my posts. Go fuck yourself. You call me skinny, yet your punk ass is barely 230lbs.. But wait, you're bulking..LOL.. Yeah, that post was well over a year ago. Times have changed, and yeah money is flowing like water for me right now. I asked for a lay off last week. Made $15K last month, what did you make in sales?

Yeah, I can afford VIP trips to Vegas, Atlanta, and anywhere else I choose. Body of a greek god? Hardly, but I look better then 99% of you fucking clowns on here. You want to compare pics? Lets do it.. And you might as well post a pic of your perfect 10 gorgeous wife, with no imperfections. Ill bet money, she is probably not even close to 4 or 5, and thats on a good day. She probably sits on her fucking ass, taking care of your kid you neglect every day, because you troll me and my posts on the forum.
Am I going anywhere? Nah, I love getting under your skin..You embarrasing Me? LOL.. Post up your pic and Ill post mine.. have a nice day!

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

If you recognize this as a problem, then I can only assume that your efforts at "shit[ting] everywhere" are a purposeful and intentional attempt to make this forum look bad. It is not appreciated.

Most adults would prefer to censor themselves when given the opportunity rather than plead for a paternalistic group of moderators to tell them what they can and can not say. I understand that children clearly aren't capable of this.

However, I assume you are in the former category. As such, I also assume you are sufficiently mature, disciplined and respectful that you will cease participation in any behavior that makes MESO look bad. If you have no respect for MESO, I ask you to do so out of self-respect.

I know that I am making a lot of assumptions. Don't prove me wrong.

So, let me get this straight. I am the only one shitting on your forum. Have you once ever PMed brutus, cbs, johnnyballz and asked them to cool it?
You let things get out of control with no moderation. You have to draw the line somewhere. But wait, you did..you cant threaten anyone or post their personal info. Wow, that will stop the nonsense. You let racists comments slide..most by brutus, who likes to used the word homo and faggot. But thats ok, right?
You let members gang up on one another, bring their families into the conversation, but that goes unnoticed by you, or you just dont give a fuck.
I have no problem with having an uncensored forum, but sometimes you as an owner have to step in, lock the threads, or do something, and not just pinpoint me out to be the bad guy. Not once have I seen you discipline anyone on here but me out in the open.

 

[Millard]

So, let me get this straight. I am the only one shitting on your forum. Have you once ever PMed brutus, cbs, johnnyballz and asked them to cool it?
You let things get out of control with no moderation. You have to draw the line somewhere. But wait, you did..you cant threaten anyone or post their personal info. Wow, that will stop the nonsense. You let racists comments slide..most by brutus, who likes to used the word homo and faggot. But thats ok, right?
You let members gang up on one another, bring their families into the conversation, but that goes unnoticed by you, or you just dont give a fuck.
I have no problem with having an uncensored forum, but sometimes you as an owner have to step in, lock the threads, or do something, and not just pinpoint me out to be the bad guy. Not once have I seen you discipline anyone on here but me out in the open.

You just haven't looked hard enough. I've called out Brutus more than once in open forum and via PM. I've also had conversations with CBS and JB about the flaming and its impact on the forum.

But you are the only one involved who is actively criticizing MESO both here and on other forums. I am responding specifically to your criticism of the forum and your blatant hypocrisy. You are not the only party who is guilty of inflammatory and senseless personal attacks; and almost all of my comments about this have addressed all parties involved. But you are the only one who is hypocritically complaining about it while being a primary instigator.

 

[brutus79]

So, let me get this straight. I am the only one shitting on your forum. Have you once ever PMed brutus, cbs, johnnyballz and asked them to cool it?
You let things get out of control with no moderation. You have to draw the line somewhere. But wait, you did..you cant threaten anyone or post their personal info. Wow, that will stop the nonsense. You let racists comments slide..most by brutus, who likes to used the word homo and faggot. But thats ok, right?
You let members gang up on one another, bring their families into the conversation, but that goes unnoticed by you, or you just dont give a fuck.
I have no problem with having an uncensored forum, but sometimes you as an owner have to step in, lock the threads, or do something, and not just pinpoint me out to be the bad guy. Not once have I seen you discipline anyone on here but me out in the open.

Yes, millard has pm'd me and asked me to tone it down.

No, homosexual is not a race. It is a sexual orientation.

You have said many times you are the only vet and all the members you just mentioned are just peons- shouldn't the vet set the example, especially when he is brimming with self imporatance like you?

Yes, we contribute in other ways than trolling the forum- you do not.

Why is he posting about you specifically? Well let me break it down for you- you are the only one slandering the forum, the way it operates and the entire foundation of what it stands for. He was answering you. Was that not obvious?

 

[Marcus]

And @ItalianMuscle27 you do realize that this would all stop and your apparent immediate problem with this board would cease to exist if you walked away from this thread, correct?

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

So, let me get this straight. I am the only one shitting on your forum. Have you once ever PMed brutus, cbs, johnnyballz and asked them to cool it?
You let things get out of control with no moderation. You have to draw the line somewhere. But wait, you did..you cant threaten anyone or post their personal info. Wow, that will stop the nonsense. You let racists comments slide..most by brutus, who likes to used the word homo and faggot. But thats ok, right?
You let members gang up on one another, bring their families into the conversation, but that goes unnoticed by you, or you just dont give a fuck.
I have no problem with having an uncensored forum, but sometimes you as an owner have to step in, lock the threads, or do something, and not just pinpoint me out to be the bad guy. Not once have I seen you discipline anyone on here but me out in the open.

Your broke pathetic self thinks that you can tell Millard how to run a board that is wildly more popular than any censored VIP type board you're on??

You brought families into this shit first dumb ass, or don't you remember?

I don't troll your posts, a few of your fellow VIPs are gladly feeding me this shit and enjoying your unravelling here.. Most of the community is absolutely sick of your loud mouth bullshit..

As for your other post, nice try... You won't catch me bragging about anything anonymously on the internet or in real life for that matter.. That's straight douchebag status.. You're nothing and I'm pretty sure you know it, that's way you hide behind this big bad persona of yours..

Time is up, I'm done for now..

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

You just haven't looked hard enough. I've called out Brutus more than once in open forum and via PM.

You are the only one involved who is actively criticizing MESO both here and on other forums. I am responding specifically to your criticism of the forum and your blatant hypocrisy. You are not the only party who is guilty of inflammatory senseless personal attacks; and almost all of my comments about this have addressed all parties involved. But you are the only one who is hypocritically complaining about it while being a primary instigator.

So what your saying is, no one is really listening to you. Thats because you lost control of your forum. If you called out me and brutus and told us both to stop. (Which I know you did with me via PM), then obviously neither one of us respected you or the forum enough to stop. Correct?

You let lies be spread about me and others on here and you do nothing about it. So yeah, I take offense. Who wouldnt? A good owner would see this, step in, and do something. But you let these threads go on and on and on.. And dont do anything. Just let the fights/bickering/lies keep being spread..
You want me to leave?

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Your broke pathetic self thinks that you can tell Millard how to run a board that is wildly more popular than any censored VIP type board you're on??

You brought families into this shit first dumb ass, or don't you remember?

I don't troll your posts, a few of your fellow VIPs are gladly feeding me this shit and enjoying your unravelling here.. Most of the community is absolutely sick of your loud mouth bullshit..

As for your other post, nice try... You won't catch me bragging about anything anonymously on the internet or in real life for that matter.. That's straight douchebag status.. You're nothing and I'm pretty sure you know it, that's way you hide behind this big bad persona of yours..

Time is up, I'm done for now..

Check the dates dumbfuck. You trolled my post over at ProMuscle, screenshot it and brought my wife and step daughter into this. So go fuck yourself.
Bullshit you dont troll my posts on other forums. You get off on it.
Most of the community is sick of me? Funny, no one has said shit to me anywhere but here. I have PMs from at least 10 people (here and 2 other forums) saying what a dick you are. And advised me to quit wasting my breath with you.
No reason to brag if you dont have nothing, which you dont anyways. Not like I would believe anything you had to say anyways. Big saleman from Florida..WOW! Im impressed.. 230lbs and you must think you're HUGE! LOL..

Still waiting for that pic.. Oh, my bad.. member in PEPs thread sent me yours a few days ago when I bumped that thread. Seriously, I never would have guessed your were bulking, if you want to call it that..Pathetic! If you want some diet/workout tips, I have a guy for you. Just reference my name, and Ill make sure you get 20% off his normal fee..

 

[Millard]

So what your saying is, no one is really listening to you. Thats because you lost control of your forum. If you called out me and brutus and told us both to stop. (Which I know you did with me via PM), then obviously neither one of us respected you or the forum enough to stop. Correct?

You let lies be spread about me and others on here and you do nothing about it. So yeah, I take offense. Who wouldnt? A good owner would see this, step in, and do something. But you let these threads go on and on and on.. And dont do anything. Just let the fights/bickering/lies keep being spread..
You want me to leave?

Are you unable to take personal responsibility for your role in all of this?

First, you want to blame other people for your behavior by suggesting they started it with their lies/attacks. You respond with your own set of lies/attacks. And your justification? They started it first. That didn't work in second grade and it doesn't work now.

Secondly, don't blame me for failing to step in to defend you, censor you, and/or censor others. You think I am at fault for this? You need to step back and take personal responsibility for your actions.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Are you unable to take personal responsibility for your role in all of this?

First, you want to blame other people for your behavior by suggesting they started it with their lies/attacks. You respond with your own set of lies/attacks. And your justification? They started it first. That didn't work in second grade and it doesn't work now.

Secondly, don't blame me for failing to step in to defend you, censor you, and/or censor others. You think I am at fault for this? You need to take personal responsibility for your actions.

I already said I was partly to blame. What more do you want? An apology? Is that going to make your forum all peachy again? I was viciously attacked for defending a source, and calling brutus a liar, and I am the bad guy.
You want an uncensored forum, then you need to deal with the bullshit that comes along with it. This all starts with the owner/admin. You set the tone for how you want your place run. Did you or did you not make the rules?
How am I or anyone else for that matter suppose to defend ourselves against lies/accusations/etc..if the owner/admin/moderator doesnt step in and help?
Or when to draw the line?

 

[Millard]

I already said I was partly to blame. What more do you want? An apology? Is that going to make your forum all peachy again? I was viciously attacked for defending a source, and calling brutus a liar, and I am the bad guy.
You want an uncensored forum, then you need to deal with the bullshit that comes along with it. This all starts with the owner/admin. You set the tone for how you want your place run. Did you or did you not make the rules?
How am I or anyone else for that matter suppose to defend ourselves against lies/accusations/etc..if the owner/admin/moderator doesnt step in and help?
Or when to draw the line?

Your clearly don't understand the principle of an open and uncensored forum if you expect admins/mods to step in to become arbitrators of the truth, choose sides and censor certain positions.

I encourage everyone to vigorously and aggressively defend the truth in principle and when it involves themselves. The truth is highly valued around here. I hope that participants become more skilled at making effective arguments at defending themselves and defending the truth. As far as I am concerned, the resorting to personal attacks and insults is an admission that the individual is incapable of defending their argument. They may have the truth on their side but once they start making personal attacks, their argument is weakened and their credibility suffers. And this applies to everyone and all positions.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I have PMs from at least 10 people (here and 2 other forums) saying what a dick you are. And advised me to quit wasting my breath with you.

Now I know you are lying. NO ONE thinks Johnny of all people is a dick. He's one of the nicest and most helpful guys here - except when it comes to you and that other clown, Gman. Now, if you said it was me or a couple of others, it would have been more believable. If you want to lie about someone, the lie first needs to fit the person.

 

[brutus79]

I already said I was partly to blame. What more do you want? An apology? Is that going to make your forum all peachy again? I was viciously attacked for defending a source, and calling brutus a liar, and I am the bad guy.
You want an uncensored forum, then you need to deal with the bullshit that comes along with it. This all starts with the owner/admin. You set the tone for how you want your place run. Did you or did you not make the rules?
How am I or anyone else for that matter suppose to defend ourselves against lies/accusations/etc..if the owner/admin/moderator doesnt step in and help?
Or when to draw the line?

Wait, wait, wait...the personal attacks begin when you accuse me of being a liar and you feel you need protection against accusations and lies? Do you read this stuff that you post? You were vicously attacking me as a liar on the source's behalf and feel being vicously attacked in return was unjust? Wow.

Tell me because I have always wondered- is ignorance bliss?

 

[JackC4]

Can't we all just hip hop dance with glow sticks, while draped in the Italian flag ?

Poppin Molly is optional

 

[Big_paul]

You hit nail on the head. That is what this is about, a difference in etiquette. IM and GM feel differences should be settled on the sources terms JB and Brutus on the buyers. That's how it started, it's much more than that now. Now it's personal and really has little to do with the original diagreement.
The lesson we can take from this is to not start a feud with any them.

 

[muscle96ss]

Proper source etiquette? Are you shitting us? You and every source who expects this can take a flying fuck. In this business relationship the source has more than enough power already. They control the quality and the pricing with no regulation. They operate off of sponsored boards for the most part where people can't even get to them if they wish to cut lines of communication. In many cases you can't even post a negative comment even with some factual data backing it. On some sponsored boards the post will be pulled and the member banned long before the paying advertiser has to deal with it in any shape or form.

The only way the end user has any power in this is by word of mouth to other prospective customers and this is the primary reason for the meso boards in my opinion. It is a meager attempt to provide some shielding from sources spreading garbage around.

To me proper source etiquette would be to label something as exactly what it is. If it is 80% purity powder i want it stated somehow in the final product. I don't want 36mg sustanon when it is labeled 250mg. They sure as hell aren't testing their own product, so now we have to. What is going to happen when 10 tests come in telling us exactly what is in those samples? It isn't going to be pretty at all i would imagine. All "proper source conduct" will fly out the window.

I would say this - If a source wants or expects a certain conduct then perhaps they should give us the same courtesy and act in a professional manner - check your own shit before you call someone else out. If a UGL had been conducting proper testing and going to great lengths to ensure a good product and a foul-up occurred i would have quite a bit more leniency in the way i dealt with them, but i don't think i will ever have to worry about that.

Once a proper line of testing becomes available this whole customer/source relationship is going to change overnight and it will be ugly quick. Ugls had best prepare themselves for name changes. It is going to be a huge pain in the ass to run a shoddy operation if enough of us start taking them to the carpet over crap gear.

This is the one area I agree with Gman on. Source etiquette is not something special to sources or something that applies only to illegal AAS transactions; it applies all real life business transactions. You have a source who has an impeccable reputation over a very very long period of time. Something happens and you believe that the products you have are bunk and you feel that you have significant proof. Before jumping out to the world and saying, "Hey I got bunk shit from K and he is just like the rest of those other sources peddling krapp" and other disparaging remarks; why don't you first contact K and say here is what has happened and here is my proof so please give me your side of the story. In other words, get the facts from his end and get his point of view before you rush to judgement. Once you have the full facts and both parties are now involved in dialogue then go ahead and post away about your experience and the facts of what has transpired from both ends. Nobody is asking you to conceal anything or have it swept under the rug; just let it play out and get all the facts before you go around yelling scammer and casting judgement. In fact when I had a question about whether something was correct or not and I contacted him, he not only offered to replace it but also told me to post in his thread and ask for feedback to see if others were having the same problem as me. I have seen him do this before whenever someone has posted negative feedback in his thread about a product, he will ask for others experience and even post it on other boards he has threads on. He is not trying to hide anything or get one over on anybody. I understand that with people's experience on this board you are quick to judge and probably didn't expect that K would deal with things in this manner; but you guys jumped the gun and put the lynch mob out before even contacting K and that is not the way things should be handled; thus you have gotten the response you got. Nobody is trying to censor anybody or not let their story be told; but there is a process that respectful civilized people due in these type of circumstances.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

This is the one area I agree with Gman on. Source etiquette is not something special to sources or something that applies only to illegal AAS transactions; it applies all real life business transactions. You have a source who has an impeccable reputation over a very very long period of time. Something happens and you believe that the products you have are bunk and you feel that you have significant proof. Before jumping out to the world and saying, "Hey I got bunk shit from K and he is just like the rest of those other sources peddling krapp" and other disparaging remarks; why don't you first contact K and say here is what has happened and here is my proof so please give me your side of the story. In other words, get the facts from his end and get his point of view before you rush to judgement. Once you have the full facts and both parties are now involved in dialogue then go ahead and post away about your experience and the facts of what has transpired from both ends. Nobody is asking you to conceal anything or have it swept under the rug; just let it play out and get all the facts before you go around yelling scammer and casting judgement. In fact when I had a question about whether something was correct or not and I contacted him, he not only offered to replace it but also told me to post in his thread and ask for feedback to see if others were having the same problem as me. I have seen him do this before whenever someone has posted negative feedback in his thread about a product, he will ask for others experience and even post it on other boards he has threads on. He is not trying to hide anything or get one over on anybody. I understand that with people's experience on this board you are quick to judge and probably didn't expect that K would deal with things in this manner; but you guys jumped the gun and put the lynch mob out before even contacting K and that is not the way things should be handled; thus you have gotten the response you got. Nobody is trying to censor anybody or not let their story be told; but there is a process that respectful civilized people due in these type of circumstances.

K was contacted at the same time we posted the labmax tests.. K is a public source he is NOT private, I see no reason that we shouldn't have posted the tests..

He wasted my time and my money.. We let it be known.. If it was your money I certainly wouldn't be telling you how to handle it..

By the way there were no disparaging remarks about K until a few weeks went by with no response.. He doesn't open emails with attachments (labmax pics) and instead of telling me that he just didn't respond..

 

[devildog93]

Here is the difference between say K, and wal-mart. Wal-mart has better quality control. That right there is saying something. K doesn't mass spec anything, so in reality he not only doesn't know exactly what he is putting out, but he has no clue.

I don't know K and i have no vendetta against him. This would be my reaction with any supplier of anything i purchase, and i'm probably not the only one gents. It is a new age and instantly someone can find out your product is garbage or post negative feedback. It doesn't have to be filtered through the source and we don't have to ask permission. If i bought 4 tires and they all turned out to be defective crap i would not go back to the same place to have more installed. It would be a royal fuck-up and i wouldn't trust any dealings with that company at all again, ever most likely.

I have held back quite a bit waiting on the final mass specs to come back from this gear. I would be pissed if i was Brutus. Hell, i'm pissed now and i had nothing to do with it other than being part of the community. Any time someone in this community gets hosed we should do our best to get data lined up. If the damaged member turns out to be backed by factual data then we get out the kindling and marshmallows and burn the source at the stake.

So far we have both labmax and rubber to the road data from two sources a lot of board members trust. On the other side of the fence we have K sending in a totally separate batch to be tested by ecstasydata and 2 shills screaming at the top of their lungs how unfair it is we are getting the torches warmed up. All i can say to this is i am awaiting final confirmation from mass specs but i have the hot dogs and brats ready to go.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

K was contacted at the same time we posted the labmax tests.. K is a public source he is NOT private, I see no reason that we shouldn't have posted the tests..

He wasted my time and my money.. We let it be known.. If it was your money I certainly wouldn't be telling you how to handle it..

By the way there were no disparaging remarks about K until a few weeks went by with no response.. He doesn't open emails with attachments (labmax pics) and instead of telling me that he just didn't respond..

Furthermore, the tabs were suspect for a few weeks before they were sent off to be labmaxed.. During that time I told several people that were looking into ordering with K what was going on through PM.. Nothing was posted until labmax matched what we suspected..

I still don't think this was intentional on K's part but that doesn't help the situation.. If anyone handled this wrong it's K and the goon squad.. Hopefully he's already taken steps behind the scenes to figure out what happened but the way he seemed to not give this a second thought until regular stepped in weeks later leads me to believe otherwise..

 

[muscle96ss]

K was contacted at the same time we posted the labmax tests.. K is a public source he is NOT private, I see no reason that we shouldn't have posted the tests..

He wasted my time and my money.. We let it be known.. If it was your money I certainly wouldn't be telling you how to handle it..

By the way there were no disparaging remarks about K until a few weeks went by with no response.. He doesn't open emails with attachments (labmax pics) and instead of telling me that he just didn't respond..

Actually you stated back then in your post that you had not notified K yet because you needed time to cool down first. K then actually responded the same day in the thread and was asking for the labmax pics and more information and seemed willing to resolve. However, things quickly spun out of control and everyone tones changed. Like I mentioned before; you come from past experiences where the majority of sources are scammers and you have very little trust/faith in sources in general based on these experiences(and I agree, most are trash). So you were pissed and rightfully so and things got heated before both you and Karius were able to sit down and talk through things. I think had you contacted K first and got things out in the open before posting it here then things would have turned out very different once you posted it here and a lot of that anger and hostility would have not have surfaced on all parts.