Hmm, why don't you try reading the thread!
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Hmm, why don't you try reading the thread!
DDL is an accredited, DEA-licensed laboratory. I don't think its credibility is the issue. The only criticism is that it doesn't release quantitative data with specific milligrams per milliliter/tablet (or raw data). DDL cites an unwritten administrative rule that prohibits USA-based labs from releasing such data due to the possibility that it provides quality control services for illegal underground labs and dealers.Yea I looked over their site and here's what is missing for "research lab"
1) an address
2) a phone number
3) a COUNTRY
4) any PIs (principal investigators contact info)
5) DEA institutional number
6)) DHHS lab certificate number
7) No listing of a laboratory certifying agency such as NIST (establishes many existing lab testing standards), CILA (required in ALL 50 states), ACLASS (determines calibration and proficiency criteria on an international basis)
8) NO real time analytical data such as MS, HPLC (I saw ONE digitized GS/MS)
9) Some lame synopsis of test results statistics WO ANY analytical data supporting said results
10) Limited ability to report data as a concentration (A relative ratio is used instead yet no conversion factor is provided)
11) Inability to reliably detect substances with similar MW such as LSD, (NOT in a DEA registered research lab)
Yep this is a "lab" alright an UGL,
Finally how presumptuous and ignorant of you to assume "no one on Meso" would understand or be able to interpret analytical raw data. See GM that's what happens when a board like TID refuses to appreciate "cut and paste" evidence based info, you don't learn shit and the board morphs into meaningless chit chat.
So speak for yourself when making comments such as the educational level on Meso bc this is an evidence based forum where MS and HPLCs are posted. Consequently several of the folk here are able to interpret this data quite well, and many more have a basic understanding, and capture it's meaning much better than those living in caves.
FINALLY ANYONE SENDING MONEY TO THIS LAB, FOR TESTING, IS WASTING THEIR MONEY AND LIKELY LINING THE POCKETS OF SOMEONE FAR AWAY WHERE RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR FALSE ADVERTISING DON'T APPLY!
The Ecstasydata.org/DDL arrangement was the original model that we had hoped to follow for a MESO-Rx sponsored steroid testing & harm reduction program. Of course, MESO wanted to publish detailed quantitative data and raw data too.
Interestingly, MESO contacted DDL about steroid testing for a AAS harm reduction program; a representative point blank said that the lab did not perform AAS analysis. So, I find it ironic that DDL continues performing quality control services for @KariusM while refusing to perform harm reduction services for MESO-Rx.
Whom is DDL is Ectasydata a unlisted subsidiary?
With deference how do you know its an accredited analytical lab especially based on the info provided on their website. I mean NOTHING from their website even remotely suggests they are accredited let alone DEA registered to analyze schedule I substances.
Now your saying they declined to perform an AAS analysis? What!
PERHAPS YOUR CORRECT MILLARD, BUT SOMETHING IS VERY MUCH WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE, IMO
I'd love for them to send you or me one of these certificates, bc that's the only proof I need and believe is appropriate to support what is either clearly implied or outright stated on their website.
Regs
JIM
With deference how do you know its an accredited analytical lab especially based on the info provided on their website. I mean NOTHING from their website even remotely suggests they are accredited let alone DEA registered to analyze schedule I substances.
Now your saying they declined to perform an AAS analysis? What!
PERHAPS YOUR CORRECT MILLARD, BUT SOMETHING IS VERY MUCH WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE, IMO
I'd love for them to send you or me one of these certificates, bc that's the only proof I need and believe is appropriate to support what is either clearly implied or outright stated on their website.
Regs
JIM
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Ecstacydata.org is just a middleman as far as the actual testing goes. They collect the samples and commission their tests from Drug Detection Lab (DDL) in Sacramento. http://www.drugdetection.net/
Oh hogwash that's THEIR administrative rule Millard bc I've worked with four to five labs, all DEA registered, and listing a concentration or purity was NEVER an issue.
Thanks CBS, I'll give it a look see.
I wouldn't be so sure. After SRCS, I don't think there is any accredited, US lab that will publicly release such information on AAS as a public service on an ongoing basis.
DDL is listed as the licensed lab performing the testing on each test report i.e. "tested by".
For example: http://www.ecstasydata.org/view.php?id=3193
I'll look at it a bit closer in the AM but just by glancing at the DDL website the Ecatasydata.com site is VERY mis leading bc it's pretty obvious to me DDL is primarily involved with DRUG SCREENING with quantification being limited to blood alcohol where "intoxication" correlates with a particular blood level and also has legal implications.
What medical condition can be QUANTIFIED by measuring a particular PED level? None that I know of, bc their are no established standards to determine use vs abuse.
Chances are they do NOT have a SCHEDULE I DEA REGISTRATION which limits their ability considerably to "RULING OUT" the presence of an illicit drug. And that's when they use MS and or HPLC.
So some fella was "caught" in the TOUR DE-FRANCE seriously, and say has a POSITIVE DRUG TEST for meth! DDL would then analyze his URINE for amphetamine metabolites, if NONE are detected by MS or HPLC then their job is completed.
So it makes sense they don't and probably are not legally permitted to quantify AAS or any other scheduled substance bc remember they are performing a screening evaluation.
Nope this site is great if you want to know IF you have AAS metabolites, or parent compound, present in your urine or blood respectively but no more from what I see.
So ok it's not pure bunk but close for PED analysis IMO
What medical condition can be QUANTIFIED by measuring a particular PED level? None that I know of, bc their are no established standards to determine use vs abuse.
Chances are they do NOT have a SCHEDULE I DEA REGISTRATION which limits their ability considerably to "RULING OUT" the presence of an illicit drug. And that's when they use MS and or HPLC.
So some fella was "caught" in the TOUR DE-FRANCE seriously, and say has a POSITIVE DRUG TEST for meth! DDL would then analyze his URINE for amphetamine metabolites, if NONE are detected by MS or HPLC then their job is completed.
So it makes sense they don't and probably are not legally permitted to quantify AAS or any other scheduled substance bc remember they are performing a screening evaluation.
Nope this site is great if you want to know IF you have AAS metabolites, or parent compound, present in your urine or blood respectively but no more from what I see.
So ok it's not pure bunk but close for PED analysis IMO
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I tend to think it's BS. The unwritten rule Ecstacydata.org/DDL cite for not releasing quantitative data doesn't make any legal sense. An "unwritten rule" is a rule that doesn't exist - at least as far as the law and courts are concerned. It's seems far more likely that the DEA strongly urged DDL to withhold quantitative data and DDL complied, citing an unwritten rule as their reason.
You are probably right. For DDL to say they caved into pressure from the DEA doesn't sound as good as saying they complied with an unwritten, administrative DEA rule. All the DEA needed to say was 'look what we did to SRCS' and hold the CS permit as a carrot.
Also, other DEA-licensed labs (i.e. Microtrace) have had no problem conducting AAS testing and releasing quantitative data as long as it supports a certain agenda (e.g. anti-steroid):
https://thinksteroids.com/community...an-buy-steroids-online-for-testing.134346242/
It should be noted that Microtrace explicitly refused to conduct AAS testing for a AAS harm reduction program sponsored by MESO-Rx.
https://thinksteroids.com/community...an-buy-steroids-online-for-testing.134346242/
It should be noted that Microtrace explicitly refused to conduct AAS testing for a AAS harm reduction program sponsored by MESO-Rx.
Now there may be state rules or regulations which limit such activity but again that issue has NEVER been raised as a limiting factor with me.
Are there biases sure but we are talking money and a lot of it for testing PEDs.
I suspect any labs OVERT concern would be for them to exercise due diligence and ensure they are not contributing (define that as you wish) to the delinquency of the lay public.
So in that regard one needs to use a little tact in describing your intentions with testing.
Such as I'm screening these AAS to show BB what junk they are buying vs suggesting which UGLs are GTG!
Are there biases sure but we are talking money and a lot of it for testing PEDs.
I suspect any labs OVERT concern would be for them to exercise due diligence and ensure they are not contributing (define that as you wish) to the delinquency of the lay public.
So in that regard one needs to use a little tact in describing your intentions with testing.
Such as I'm screening these AAS to show BB what junk they are buying vs suggesting which UGLs are GTG!
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I strongly believe DDL DEA registration is more limiting as what appears to be a screening lab but will check tomorrow.
Juice n Goose
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Hell Yes I remember you Doctor Jim! Absolutely outstanding to be able to comm with a true man of science and ethics again!!!! Darn Good! Salutations!
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Juice n Goose
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JB..Keep on keeping these harmful entities on point Bro!!!! Im ready to ROCK!!GOOOOOSE!! Been meaning to say, glad you're back and doing well bud!!
Nice having you around..
Goose
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ItalianMuscle27
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Funny, how you run from thread to thread asking for bigben to step in.. He doesnt run this place and neither do you.. Again, this has nothing to do with ben..
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ItalianMuscle27
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