My guy what are you smoking? Where have I ever said anything against the use of any other AI or SERM? I even suggested myself you can take letro or aromasin for a day or two and swap over to a SERM for aas induced gyno symptoms.
Stop reading my bash on LETRO as if I was condeming anyone taking any AI or SERM.
If you feel compelled to start taking a SERM or AI for ANY type of gyno, which is perfectly fine since you are seeking to actually treat something medically, all im saying is to avoid LETRO when other compounds can provide the same benefits without cleaning out your entire system of your estrogens and their derivatives.
You understand estrogen plays many roles in the male body's physiology other than to grow your breasts right?
It's just common sense if NOTHING else that if you essentially remove the entire essence of estrogen, you're going to starve your breast tissue ALONG WITH EVERY OTHER TISSUE IN THE BODY THAT ULTILIZES ESTROGEN and should be a compound taken in desperation, not willy nilly. And absolutely not for pubertal gyno where you need to stay on for longer periods of time to do your "course".
SERMs can work for pubertal gyno to some extent and are also much healthier than an AI for that use case.
This entire conversation is regarding LETRO. I started by advising against LETRO both short and long term use. I have not told anyone to avoid anything else but LETRO.
I don't like LETRO as an AI in regards to health when healthier alternatives exist.
Stop reading my bash on LETRO as if I was condeming anyone taking any AI or SERM.
Have I said LETRO enough?
Nothing actually. Like 12+ hours and went back after that again after your already read it and responded once... I don't know why you keep bringing up pubertal gynecomastia. I don't recall where OP ever claimed he had PG. You mentioned PG first out of nowhere. Then said it wasn't designed for that (I never said it was either). An here you're bringing it up again.
I'm not sure how long you've been doing this but I'm coming up on 2 decades, I'm more than aware of the roles of estrogen in the body, though I appreciate the attempted lecture. Must be a reason I don't take AIs 90% of the time even though they're prescribed and run lower dosing than I'm told to, my body tolerates estrogen pretty well anymore. I was testing a sources sustanon and to stay true to the test, I ran no AI, test was around 3300, and estrogen at 194, which healthy max range on the test for a male is like 35-40. I had 0 side effects. So no need to use an AI until that lab, then I started low dose anastrazole 2-3x a week to bring it back into the range I want.
I wouldn't even recommend it, if I didn't think it could remotely make a difference and would be severely detrimental to anyone, which is why I didn't even get into dosing and how to do it. If you haven't noticed he is immensely sensitive to raised estrogen, has a long term issue he can't get rid of, etc. He's been on tren, which in relation to your "severity" rating mentioned earlier, falls in line with higher risk methods of removing gynecomastia. Bypasses the "test : arimidex" assessment. No I'm not saying it's a tren relation to his issue, I'm making a mention of your comparison in side effect relation to what he's been willing to take.
You said test would be equal in severity to something like arimidex.
Tren would be equal to letro.
Well he's used tren so clearly willing to roll the dice and not the first go around.
I'm fine with the fact YOU don't like letro. But that's also you, and not me, and other people. There is literally nothing wrong with recommending looking into it based on an educated opinion. There's first line treatments, second, third, etc, for a reason. I believe, first line probably wouldn't be too effective, so I moved down the list on suggestions to look into things. OP wants to run raloxifene, great, give it 2-4 months. See where that goes and then explore other options if need be. I never said he shouldn't start there, MERELY made a suggestion to look at another compound, which has sparked a desire for you to crusade your opinion against that.
There is literally no reason to continue this discussion as much as I appreciated the first one but then the analogies and what not came out which I don't really see the point in to still having a great back and forth. Just clogging up KVs thread at this point. I won't reply in relation to this anymore.
Best Regards.
loser
