Exactly!!!!
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Exactly!!!!
Astro Labs
Active Member
As bizar as it seams yes that is the case lol...as crazy as that sounds I know, kind of unbelievable but true at least that batch number I had. I can't speak for anything to date though.
ItalianMuscle27
Member
You can test anavar with the labmax kit..
A vip member at another forum I am on, had a serum test done on Scitropin, 10ius injected 3 hours before blood was drawn, and his serum score was 3.9.. That is pretty bad, when others test in the high 20s and 30s.
And who did this Mass Spec test and where is it at?
johnnyBALLZ
Well-known Member
Maybe you got a good batch Astro, I don't know... With all the bullshit that Sciroxx does I think it's almost impossible that their GH would be g2g..
rHGH can ONLY be tested with either Mass Spec or HPLC (other forms of chromatography may be used but are not accurate)
I heard of folk testing serum GH levels shortly after GH is pinned but the values are highly dependent upon several factors such as body weight, serum glucose, timing of test post injection, the lab itself, assay performed etc.
In fact the variance may normally differ as much as 300% from one test to another.
How can the be you ask? In addition to several other factors and those mentioned above the primary PROBLEM in measuring SERUM GH is the process of separating such SMALL quantities of GH from other blood constituents.
That's one reason GH testing is almost always a "send out" test even in high volume labs.
The process can be VERY expensive, tedious and inaccurate if not performed on a routine basis!
My suggestion have the lab test a vial sample submitted as plasma or perform IGF serum analysis.
I know some prefer the GH serum test but IME the results are difficult to reproduce even with Pharm grade GH.
Jim
I heard of folk testing serum GH levels shortly after GH is pinned but the values are highly dependent upon several factors such as body weight, serum glucose, timing of test post injection, the lab itself, assay performed etc.
In fact the variance may normally differ as much as 300% from one test to another.
How can the be you ask? In addition to several other factors and those mentioned above the primary PROBLEM in measuring SERUM GH is the process of separating such SMALL quantities of GH from other blood constituents.
That's one reason GH testing is almost always a "send out" test even in high volume labs.
The process can be VERY expensive, tedious and inaccurate if not performed on a routine basis!
My suggestion have the lab test a vial sample submitted as plasma or perform IGF serum analysis.
I know some prefer the GH serum test but IME the results are difficult to reproduce even with Pharm grade GH.
Jim
Other tests should read: ......... are not AS accurate!
muscle96ss
Subscriber
Seriously? I have been doing a bunch of serum testing over the past year and am consistent with brands. Most other people that have been doing them in quantity will tell you the same thing and while you cannot tell the quality of the GH you can tell for sure whether it contains GH and whether it contains a reasonable dose. For example if I am scoring in the mid 20's on Thanktropin and then test brand X and get a 3.0, you can be rest assured that it is not good. People can say what they want about the tests but the bottom line is it is called a serum GH test because it measures the amount of GH in your blood. If done in a controlled environment, i.e. 3-3.5 hours post IM injection and you are shooting real GH you are going to see a significant spike. For the Scitropin to score a 3.9 I would be willing to bet any amount of money you want that there is max 3iu's in that vial; and that is being generous. Also, coming from IM, that test holds a lot more credibility to me than coming from someone unknown.
^^^where is the unlike button...lol
ItalianMuscle27
Member
I am a little bit skeptical of the HGH serum tests, but when you see certain brands like Thanktropin and Riptropin, testing in the 30s and 40s, and then you get off brands like Scitropin and a green top and they test 3.9 or lower, then something isnt right. I think there are other variables we have to consider too like Dr.Jim said. Obviously the way to go is HPLC or Mass Spec. When I sent 2 samples of HGH for a HPLC test, we found that the blacktop(Elitropin) and the Jintropin both contained HGH with no impurities, its just that they were both underdosed. Both were being sold as 10iu vials. Jins were 4ius, and the blacktops were 8ius.
I think this is a good start, we just have to keep with the testing and keep these sources in check. And I would like to see more people doing the labmax kit, not just the same people all the time. I think the products that people are most concerned with is Anavar, Primobolon, and Masteron.
I think this is a good start, we just have to keep with the testing and keep these sources in check. And I would like to see more people doing the labmax kit, not just the same people all the time. I think the products that people are most concerned with is Anavar, Primobolon, and Masteron.
Based upon what I'm hearing on forums including Meso there is some mysterious lab(s) capable of making legit rHGH (fully concentrated at roughly 3.6 mg/IU) and selling that product for often less than 10% of it's fair market value on the black market?
Can anyone tell me why this WOULD happen considering economics "101" dictate otherwise?
The financial aspect is one of several other reasons why it won't and doesn't occur, excepting rare circumstances.
Jimmy
Can anyone tell me why this WOULD happen considering economics "101" dictate otherwise?
The financial aspect is one of several other reasons why it won't and doesn't occur, excepting rare circumstances.
Jimmy
Oh and please don't tell me the "labs janitors" are double professionals (daytime janitors and nocturnal scientists) and run a GH lab incognito at night, lol!
Jim
Jim
Mike Oxbig
New Member
Do you have access to a mass spec?
ItalianMuscle27
Member
I have a theory that some of these chinese HGH dealers have come up with something that mimics hgh serum levels. I wish I could prove that, but I cant. Just speculation. Whose to say these generic hgh suppliers arent putting in GHRP6 in their HGH.
I do. Both HPLC and Mass Spec. HPLC tests costs 290 Euros and Mass specs are almost double.
You asked the right question but I want folk to know I DONT OWN, MANAGE OR AM EMPLOYED BY ANY LAB!
So do I have access to MS? Well of course I do but it's not
parked in my garage.
I have access because I'm an active faculty member in a very busy TOXICOLOGY fellowship, which is involved in some relatively large "investigations", from illegal dumping and heavy metal intoxications to acetaminophen and homicidal arsenic ingestions.
Importantly PERSONAL lab use is granted to all faculty members on a somewhat limited basis, because the lab is first tier (certified by Federal, State and local agencies and must comply with very rigid standards OR that OJ fiasco may recur!) NO SHIT!!
Because its VERY busy many tests are "batched" such as GH for instance being done once to twice a week.
So it's a referral forensic lab a
1st tier assay lab (capable of performing probably any forum serum, urine, hair testing).
About the only "limitation" is 3rd tier genetic testing)
So what form of equipment do they have?
Just about anything and everything including;
MS, HPLC,
Conway Diffusion Photospec,
Thin layer and UV chromatography,
AAPS (Atomic Absorption PhotoSpec don't ask me what it's for I don't know,
)
MDIA (MicroDiffusionImunoAssay)
Uses highly specific or sensitive antibodies to tag drugs especially DOA and that includes AAS)
I'm quite sure that's what LabMax uses (ImmunoAssay) in their "test kits"
Jim
So do I have access to MS? Well of course I do but it's not
parked in my garage.
I have access because I'm an active faculty member in a very busy TOXICOLOGY fellowship, which is involved in some relatively large "investigations", from illegal dumping and heavy metal intoxications to acetaminophen and homicidal arsenic ingestions.
Importantly PERSONAL lab use is granted to all faculty members on a somewhat limited basis, because the lab is first tier (certified by Federal, State and local agencies and must comply with very rigid standards OR that OJ fiasco may recur!) NO SHIT!!
Because its VERY busy many tests are "batched" such as GH for instance being done once to twice a week.
So it's a referral forensic lab a
1st tier assay lab (capable of performing probably any forum serum, urine, hair testing).
About the only "limitation" is 3rd tier genetic testing)
So what form of equipment do they have?
Just about anything and everything including;
MS, HPLC,
Conway Diffusion Photospec,
Thin layer and UV chromatography,
AAPS (Atomic Absorption PhotoSpec don't ask me what it's for I don't know,
) MDIA (MicroDiffusionImunoAssay)
Uses highly specific or sensitive antibodies to tag drugs especially DOA and that includes AAS)
I'm quite sure that's what LabMax uses (ImmunoAssay) in their "test kits"
Jim
fit2beking
New Member
How much GHRP6 would it take to get a GH Serum test in the 20-30 range? Just thinking aloud not really sure there is an answer to the question. But I do think you may be on to something about the Chinese HGH dealers coming up with something that mimics HGH serum levels.
Candyskull
New Member
You asked the right question but I want folk to know I DONT OWN, MANAGE OR AM EMPLOYED BY ANY LAB!
So do I have access to MS? Well of course I do but it's not
parked in my garage.
I have access because I'm an active faculty member in a very busy TOXICOLOGY fellowship, which is involved in some relatively large "investigations", from illegal dumping and heavy metal intoxications to acetaminophen and homicidal arsenic ingestions.
Importantly PERSONAL lab use is granted to all faculty members on a somewhat limited basis, because the lab is first tier (certified by Federal, State and local agencies and must comply with very rigid standards OR that OJ fiasco may recur!) NO SHIT!!
Because its VERY busy many tests are "batched" such as GH for instance being done once to twice a week.
So it's a referral forensic lab a
1st tier assay lab (capable of performing probably any forum serum, urine, hair testing).
About the only "limitation" is 3rd tier genetic testing)
So what form of equipment do they have?
Just about anything and everything including;
MS, HPLC,
Conway Diffusion Photospec,
Thin layer and UV chromatography,
AAPS (Atomic Absorption PhotoSpec don't ask me what it's for I don't know,
MDIA (MicroDiffusionImunoAssay)
Uses highly specific or sensitive antibodies to tag drugs especially DOA and that includes AAS)
I'm quite sure that's what LabMax uses (ImmunoAssay) in their "test kits"
Jim
Dr Jim, in your opinion would someone be able to purchase a tabletop mass spec machine, and successfully use it to test compounds at home? What would they look for in device parameters?
johnnyBALLZ
Well-known Member
I've heard something like this before..
IF they could do that would it have the same impact on the IGF test or no??
Candyskull
New Member
I have a mate that deals direct in China, and that is his number one worry because prices are stupid cheap, and blood labs say it's legit. When I stay stupid cheap, I mean about $100 a kit after the cost of getting it back here.
And no, it's not an available hookup. [
)] Already too much personal risk involved.
