Laboratory testing of AASs, GH, peptides...

[mercury]

mands you really got busted, you claim that this guy is accredited lab.

Let me tell this

NO accredited LABORATORY uses creation of calibration curve from different injection sizes.

If you want to create calibration curve in ACCREDITED lab you have to have 3 vials. One with 0.5mg/ml; second with 1mg/ml; third with 1.5mg ml... This guy uses 1 vial and does 1 ul injection, 2ul injection and 3ul and 4ul injection.... NO ACCREDITED LAB DOES THAT

You posted all the evidence yourself and discredited this way this guy/lab

 

[mands]

Sorry mands but you are in deep shit, nothing makes sense

1. Why does the guy need to do GC/MS if he has standards for HPLC? It does not make sense.

2. Why he didn't use standard for primobolan for the first test if he has standard available? Just nonsense no lab would work this way.

3. Or where in the hell can a laboratory get a standard for controlled chemical like primobolan enanthate over 3 working days? One of them being Good Friday holiday.

1. I will let him explain that... @Analyzer

2. I do not know I could be relaying his email wrong.

3. He will have to answer that as well. Didn't they just pass getting Good Friday in the Czech? I don't know if it's fully observed. Again ask the @Analyzer

4. Are you going to answer my questions now?

mands

 

[mercury]

mands I refer not to you but the test results which are complete mess and discredit the guy right away who claim to be the tester.

I understand that you do not have any knowledge about the testing and you try to present it to you best ability.

 

[mercury]

Check the both result sheets



Notice the 3 different "location" with Agilent 1260



So there are at least 3 HPLCs... So it's a big lab

The HPLC naming is automatic in Agilent system. This means there probably are many more HPLCs


if we assume the GCMS is also in that lab and it's not faked then the guy must be at national level size laboratory.

What national level size 'accredited' laboratories are testing anabolic steroids for 40$ officially? It's probably some national environmental or food controlling lab and a lab rat working in there.



Look at the result sheet you posted, it is mess, it is fake, nonsense or whatever. This is not coming from accredited lab but guy printing some nonsense.

 

[mands]

mands you really got busted, you claim that this guy is accredited lab.

Let me tell this

NO accredited LABORATORY uses creation of calibration curve from different injection sizes.

If you want to create calibration curve in ACCREDITED lab you have to have 3 vials. One with 0.5mg/ml; second with 1mg/ml; third with 1.5mg ml... This guy uses 1 vial and does 1 ul injection, 2ul injection and 3ul and 4ul injection.... NO ACCREDITED LAB DOES THAT

You posted all the evidence yourself and discredited this way this guy/lab

Again talk to @Analyzer about his process.

I do not see on the testing what you are referring. He used .5 on the 19th testing.

And I do see on the anadrol he had 4 different sheets with calibration curves all with different amounts.

mands

 

[mercury]

Again talk to @Analyzer about his process.

I do not see on the testing what you are referring. He used .5 on the 19th testing.

And I do see on the anadrol he had 4 different sheets with calibration curves all with different amounts.

mands

there is no point talking to Analyzer, I am sure he would some explanation which for most part would make any sense.

you posted the test results discrediting this guy right away, there is nothing to explain or try to cover the mess, it is done.

 

[Weston]

@mercury although your approach to @mands and @Analyzer seems brash, I appreciate and respect the skepticism that you present. You seem to have a bit of knowledge in this type of testing. Without giving out any personal information, of course, from where did you obtain your expertise and experience?

I jumped to the conclusion that this is a great asset to Meso and, in my haste, may have overlooked some important details.

I still lean towards this being valuable to the forum, but would like to hear some input without the hostility, as it seems to muddy the waters.

 

[MindlessWork]

@mercury why are you attacking Mands and Analyzer? You should know by now Mands is well regarded here and he would not recommend anyone who isn't on the level.

Let Analyzer explain first.

Skepticism is normal but the proof is in the pudding.

 

[mands]

there is no point talking to Analyzer, I am sure he would some explanation which for most part would make any sense.

you posted the test results discrediting this guy right away, there is nothing to explain or try to cover the mess, it is done.

Hear him out and I sent you a PM.

I have asked you a few times what your agenda is? I asked if you are getting paid for your lab max testing? I think it's relevant as this could take sales away from you correct?

Hey I'm not knocking your for making some side money but why not talk to @Analyzer about your concerns.

mands

 

[mercury]

@mercury why are you attacking Mands and Analyzer? You should know by now Mands is well regarded here and he would not recommend anyone who isn't on the level.

Let Analyzer explain first.

I am not attacking Mands has no understanding of HPLC and he did not know what he was posting, no disrespect to Mands for not being familiar with lab procedures and testing

I just pointed all evidence, just read and you will agree with me, it is just pure evidence.

 

[MindlessWork]

I am not attacking Mands has no understanding of HPLC and he did not know what he was posting, no disrespect to Mands for not be familiar with lab procedures and testing

I just pointed all evidence, just read and you will agree with me, it is just pure evidence.

Ok then wait till Analyzer gets here to address your concerns.

 

[mands]

So do you see a problem with the MS test I have posted?

mands

 

[Weston]

I am not attacking Mands has no understanding of HPLC and he did not know what he was posting, no disrespect to Mands for not being familiar with lab procedures and testing

I just pointed all evidence, just read and you will agree with me, it is just pure evidence.

With all due respect, you are attacking mands when you say "you got busted", "you're in deep shit" and "trying to cover up".

I may be wrong in appreciating this lab, but I still appreciate the effort it took to bring the lab in for some scrutiny.

 

[mercury]

With all due respect, you are attacking mands when you say "you got busted", "you're in deep shit" and "trying to cover up".

I may be wrong in appreciating this lab, but I still appreciate the effort it took to bring the lab in for some scrutiny.

you cannot attack Mands because he did not know what he was posting.

I got him confused with Analyzer first because I thought it was the same person.

No disrespect to Mands for posting it.

 

[Weston]

you cannot attack Mands because he did not know what he was posting.

I got him confused with Analyzer first because I thought it was the same person.

No disrespect to Mands for posting it.

You thought analyzer was mands trying to get people to send him money and free steroids for "testing"?

 

[mands]

I do have a question @mercury

How did he identify what the samples were that I sent in for testing? They were not marked or nothing was indicated on them what they were? He just happened to guess the substance and the mg.?

For not being qualified as you stated he must be the luckiest dude in the world.

mands

 

[Analyzer]

Sorry mands but you are in deep shit, nothing makes sense

1. Why does the guy need to do GC/MS if he has standards for HPLC? It does not make sense.

2. Why he didn't use standard for primobolan for the first test if he has standard available? Just nonsense no lab would work this way.

3. Or where in the hell can a laboratory get a standard for controlled chemical like primobolan enanthate over 3 working days? One of them being Good Friday holiday.

1. In terms of finding identity of compounds present in the sample, the GC/MS is much more reliable than comparing of retention times at HPLC. Mass spectra match is a prove, retention time match is not. Moreover, there can be impurities invisible for UV detector of HPLC but visible for mass detector in GC.

2./3. I did not have standard of primobolan for the first test, so I used external standard since I wanted at least preliminary result before holidays. I had impure raw primobolan left from previous testings. I purified it using preparative flash chromatography to get standard which I used for subsequent testing. That´s all...

 

[Analyzer]

what makes you think that this guy can get GH testing correct from what you posted and wrote I have doubts

Simec is accredited lab and this guy ?

I admit there is no prove I can test GH yet, just wait few days

Regarding Simec, maybe they are accredited lab for something, but they are definitely not accredited for testing of AAS. If you take a look into their reports, in every result field is letter ,,N,, which means the method they use are NOT accredited nor validated for this type of analysis. I am not saying their analyses are wrong.

 

[mercury]

2./3. I did not have standard of primobolan for the first test, so I used external standard since I wanted at least preliminary result before holidays. I had impure raw primobolan left from previous testings. I purified it using preparative flash chromatography to get standard which I used for subsequent testing. That´s all...

what are you talking about ?

you have standard or no,

mass spectra for both compounds can be googled

and how did you get the standard, you do not get overnight controlled substance

it takes a long time to get it and a lot of paper work is involved

you went to your boss (big national lab) to tell that you are testing steroids for black market and need to be approved to get standard, do not make me laugh

sorry but your entire report is total mess does not add up.

 

[Docd187123]

This type of resistance is to be expected Mands. I mean when you dip into people's comission from labmax they're bound to find anything to try and discredit other testing.