Let's argue about Trucks again...

[rugerjitsu]

I'm looking to buy a truck.

I want a crew cab, 3/4 ton, diesel, 4x4.

I won't ever push the towing limits. It will be mainly used for cross country trips with the family.

I really like the F250 Lariat...2017-2020 models. Not opposed to buying new if it makes sense.

What are my other options and how do they compare?

Anything I should know before buying my first diesel?

Thanks!

 

[Super Charge]

If I were to buy a newer diesel it would be a 17 and up f350 lariat. They drive like a car. Usually the end of the year clearance is starting now, if covid doesn't change anything. I've looked at em for a while now but took expensive for me and nearly impossible to find a 4 door long box lariat.. The fx4 has a locking rear diff which is cool.. Look at Canada for used ones. You'll save a ton based on our dollar value. Good luck. Don't buy a new Chevy HD, so fuckin ugly. I'd fire everyone that designed the front of that truck.

 

[TideGear]

I'm usually a Ford guy but I like the GMC 2500 Denali.

 

[Super Charge]

They're all super nice, even Ram. I'd love to have a new one from any maker but I've just had great luck with Ford diesels. My personal daily and 2 tow trucks so I'm biased.

 

[Cookieman]

I have a 2015 Ram 2500 that I run hot shot with. Bought used with 52000 miles on it. I just turned 340,000 and still going strong. I have had no major issues with this truck, its been solid. I service tranny every 50,000 mlies and change fuel filters w every oil change. This is a 6.7 diesel btw. Regardless with whatever brand you choose, there are issues with all of them. Take good care of your truck and don't drive like an idiot. I have a close friend that blew motors in 2 GMC 3500 Duramx's within a year of each other. He's my boy, but drives them too hard. Duramax is a solid truck, but when something does go wrong, it's catastrophic and extremely expensive to fix. Since Ford did away with the 7.3 I wouldn't touch one. High pressure pump on them is garbage. When it goes its an expensive fix. However, doesn't matter which of the 3 you choose, a diesel breaks down..Get ready to dig in your wallet. I'm a Cummins guy, that's what I've stuck w for the past 20 years

 

[Logan44551]

Paging @gr8whitetrukker . This guy knows his trucks. There's a thread somewhere around here

 

[Brandaddy]

I used to sell vehicles WAYY back in the day. Which for me was like 3-4 years ago.

Personally, for a smooth ride I liked the rams. Looks wise was GM for sure. And Ford used to have the most whistles in their limited trim, but the new Ram limiteds have some pretty cool shit so those are kind of a tie now.

With that being said, I drive a Silverado High Country. Mine is a gasser because I like the sound of a true dual running off a 6.2L V8. Lol. Just hate the 8mpg I get in return for running mud tires. Ha. Probably trading in this spring or next spring and will most likely get a Duramax 2500. I feel Ram would probably be safer long run because I never really remember having excessive issues with them when I sold them. Duramax's on the other hand.. lol. But when you buy new you get a warranty. Diesels hold their value well, so just trade it up before the warranty expires.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

I'm looking to buy a truck.

I want a crew cab, 3/4 ton, diesel, 4x4.

I won't ever push the towing limits. It will be mainly used for cross country trips with the family.

I really like the F250 Lariat...2017-2020 models. Not opposed to buying new if it makes sense.

What are my other options and how do they compare?

Anything I should know before buying my first diesel?

Thanks!

I have a 15L detroit i make money with. I dont understand the general public fascination with owning a diesel especially when its just a commuter car.
*$10,000 option right off the bat
*far, far more expensive maintenaince
*get a bad tank of fuel by chance and ur new diesel is toast
*have to buy DEF fluid. For most you commuters out there that means a small tank every 2-3 fill ups @ $2.00+ a gallon.
*repairs are waaaay more expensive and even if your good with a wrench itll prolly be out of your league unless you got a background in it.
*fuel is more expensive
*have to deal with stringent emmissions. Wanna know what a new DPF will cost? Youll cry i promise
ALL OF THIS COULD BE AVOIDED BY BUYING THE GAS VARIANT.


I recently ran the spread sheet on my new 2020 F250 Tremor(incase you all didnt know ANY tremor is an auto upgrade to 350 hardware. Great way to skirt bye GVWR for registration) and at the current cost of diesel vs gas i can literally drive my 7.3L big block gasser for 7 yrs completely free of charge before the power stroke option even broke even with the 10k upcharge. Thats alot of gas money.

You dont make any money off of it it doesnt make sense.
Like at all. None

 

[rugerjitsu]

I have a 15L detroit i make money with. I dont understand the general public fascination with owning a diesel especially when its just a commuter car.
*$10,000 option right off the bat
*far, far more expensive maintenaince
*get a bad tank of fuel by chance and ur new diesel is toast
*have to buy DEF fluid. For most you commuters out there that means a small tank every 2-3 fill ups @ $2.00+ a gallon.
*repairs are waaaay more expensive and even if your good with a wrench itll prolly be out of your league unless you got a background in it.
*fuel is more expensive
*have to deal with stringent emmissions. Wanna know what a new DPF will cost? Youll cry i promise
ALL OF THIS COULD BE AVOIDED BY BUYING THE GAS VARIANT.


I recently ran the spread sheet on my new 2020 F250 Tremor(incase you all didnt know ANY tremor is an auto upgrade to 350 hardware. Great way to skirt bye GVWR for registration) and at the current cost of diesel vs gas i can literally drive my 7.3L big block gasser for 7 yrs completely free of charge before the power stroke option even broke even with the 10k upcharge. Thats alot of gas money.

You dont make any money off of it it doesnt make sense.
Like at all. None
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I needed to hear this...thanks. nice truck, btw!

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

I needed to hear this...thanks. nice truck, btw!

Class 2 & 3 diesel trucks kinda hit their zenith back in 99-2006. That was when they were moderately powered(650lb ft tq) and were super reliable AND they didnt have all this emmission related BS to deal with. That killed the modern diesel IMO. Its faulty, high regulated nonsensical trash that only hurts and holds back an otherwise great engine to appease a liberal agenda. And in reality i dont believe it does all that much what it was intended to do and thats help the environment. Now enough on that.

Alot of cool stuff out. Both Ford and GM have new platforms out. Fords new 7.3 big block godzilla pushrod and GMs new 6.6 just made it by the hair of their chinny chin chin big block. Alot of power and torque. If you get a GM HD you will be relegated to the old fashioned 6 spd. The new 7.3 and powerstroke get the 10 spd and the boss 6.2 gets the old 6 spd. The dyno sheets for the godzilla show that of its stock 475 lb ft tq 90% of it is achieved at 1100 rpm just.off.idle . Now thats meaty. Mated with the 10 spd the thing is a rocket and has a 21,200 lb fifth wheel/gooseneck trailering capability with optional 4.30 gears(standard gears for the Tremor). That is highest in class by a long shot. Even manages to best its competitors big boy duramax by 3000 lbs. No thats not a typo. The 7.3 gasser can haul more than the duramax. I pulled the official spec sheets off each respective companies websites.


Still think you need a diesel to make big power? Lol.
Not when Fords gasser out pulls GMs diesel

 

[Brandaddy]

Class 2 & 3 diesel trucks kinda hit their zenith back in 99-2006. That was when they were moderately powered(650lb ft tq) and were super reliable AND they didnt have all this emmission related BS to deal with. That killed the modern diesel IMO. Its faulty, high regulated nonsensical trash that only hurts and holds back an otherwise great engine to appease a liberal agenda. And in reality i dont believe it does all that much what it was intended to do and thats help the environment. Now enough on that.

Alot of cool stuff out. Both Ford and GM have new platforms out. Fords new 7.3 big block godzilla pushrod and GMs new 6.6 just made it by the hair of their chinny chin chin big block. Alot of power and torque. If you get a GM HD you will be relegated to the old fashioned 6 spd. The new 7.3 and powerstroke get the 10 spd and the boss 6.2 gets the old 6 spd. The dyno sheets for the godzilla show that of its stock 475 lb ft tq 90% of it is achieved at 1100 rpm just.off.idle . Now thats meaty. Mated with the 10 spd the thing is a rocket and has a 21,200 lb fifth wheel/gooseneck trailering capability with optional 4.30 gears(standard gears for the Tremor). That is highest in class by a long shot. Even manages to best its competitors big boy duramax by 3000 lbs. No thats not a typo. The 7.3 gasser can haul more than the duramax. I pulled the official spec sheets off each respective companies websites.
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Still think you need a diesel to make big power? Lol.
Not when Fords gasser out pulls GMs diesel

Duramax actually has a max towing capacity of 35,000lbs and a 10 speed tranny. That must be an old spec sheet you have.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Duramax actually has a max towing capacity of 35,000lbs and a 10 speed tranny. That must be an old spec sheet you have.

No sir thats the DRW. I compared the SRW. I didnt even bother to put Dodges spec sheet up only because the 6.4L hemi is far less than ideal for any HD truck and is in my opinion trash of trash. Plus it has MDS which just adds the cherry on top of a pile of trash. Confirming yet again it is trash

 

[Cookieman]

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Class 2 & 3 diesel trucks kinda hit their zenith back in 99-2006. That was when they were moderately powered(650lb ft tq) and were super reliable AND they didnt have all this emmission related BS to deal with. That killed the modern diesel IMO. Its faulty, high regulated nonsensical trash that only hurts and holds back an otherwise great engine to appease a liberal agenda. And in reality i dont believe it does all that much what it was intended to do and thats help the environment. Now enough on that.

Alot of cool stuff out. Both Ford and GM have new platforms out. Fords new 7.3 big block godzilla pushrod and GMs new 6.6 just made it by the hair of their chinny chin chin big block. Alot of power and torque. If you get a GM HD you will be relegated to the old fashioned 6 spd. The new 7.3 and powerstroke get the 10 spd and the boss 6.2 gets the old 6 spd. The dyno sheets for the godzilla show that of its stock 475 lb ft tq 90% of it is achieved at 1100 rpm just.off.idle . Now thats meaty. Mated with the 10 spd the thing is a rocket and has a 21,200 lb fifth wheel/gooseneck trailering capability with optional 4.30 gears(standard gears for the Tremor). That is highest in class by a long shot. Even manages to best its competitors big boy duramax by 3000 lbs. No thats not a typo. The 7.3 gasser can haul more than the duramax. I pulled the official spec sheets off each respective companies websites.
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Still think you need a diesel to make big power? Lol.
Not when Fords gasser out pulls GMs diesel

Interesting, I didn't know about this. Googled and read about it. Fuel mileage is terrible though. I also like the longevity of a diesel. Mine isn't a daily driver, its the money maker. That Ford will be something I keep an eye on though

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

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Interesting, I didn't know about this. Googled and read about it. Fuel mileage is terrible though. I also like the longevity of a diesel. Mine isn't a daily driver, its the money maker. That Ford will be something I keep an eye on though

Im seeing 13.5 - 14.5 thats the Tremor of course the largest and most capable 4x4 in the lineup. None of the factory mods are mpg friendly. A regular trimmed f250 with the 7.3 i think could see 18mpg especially with a taller(numerically lower) gear like a 3.55 or 3.73. Street tires like all the other trims and a lower profile and no lockers. I think its actually remarkably efficient for a 445 ci big block

 

[Cookieman]

Im seeing 13.5 - 14.5 thats the Tremor of course the largest and most capable 4x4 in the lineup. None of the factory mods are mpg friendly. A regular trimmed f250 with the 7.3 i think could see 18mpg especially with a taller(numerically lower) gear like a 3.55 or 3.73. Street tires like all the other trims and a lower profile and no lockers. I think its actually remarkably efficient for a 445 ci big block

Wow, no kidding? The article I read regarding the 7.3 was showing only 8-9 mpg towing a trailer. Also said fuel mileage did not improve while driving solo. If you're correct about fuel mileage, i would have to strongly consider the 7.3. I'm not in the market for a new vehicle just yet, but may be in another year or so. I have 340,000 on my Ram.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Wow, no kidding? The article I read regarding the 7.3 was showing only 8-9 mpg towing a trailer. Also said fuel mileage did not improve while driving solo. If you're correct about fuel mileage, i would have to strongly consider the 7.3. I'm not in the market for a new vehicle just yet, but may be in another year or so. I have 340,000 on my Ram.

The only thing i can gripe about is i wish they excluded the ecomode and gave me a sport mode instead. Thats nothing more than one of 8 modes they give you where tranny and throttle mapping change to suit the mode. It would of been really nice to see a sport mode for racing er whatever.

Because at some point this is getting engine mods. Brian Wolfe former ford engineer and racing enthusiast dropped a crate 7.3 in a mustang. Ported the intake and heads and a long duration cam and pulled 630 na. Then added high compression pistons and rods and pulled 970 na. Then added a SC and is making 1600 now. Hasnt even stroked it over yet. That is pretty ridiculous. Especially the NA stats

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Only thing not mentioned is the gooseneck/5th wheel rating which is 20,200 lbs.
A special Ford designed Warn 12k winch is offered from the factory but not standard optioned. It get installed by a Ford tech and mounts hidden behind the front bumper. Steel backing plate already exists for all Tremors. The dana super 60 front axle has this high bias helical limited slip. Very similar to the one in my mustangs rear. I find it highly effective. Seems like a locker when wheel spin is high. At low wheel speed it differentiates quickly to the wheel with less traction. Works in a race car to get out of a dig and works damn well in an offroad truck!