Lifespan of AAS users

[Skooma]

So a question that's always been on my mind - and one that I can't quite seem to find a decent answer for;

What is the lifespan of average AAS users?
We know there's a lot of irresponsible usage out there, but we also know that the medical community seems to be quite out of touch with the direct impacts AAS has on it's users. We only really hear horror stories of individuals who disrespected their bodies and the compounds.

So - to the AAS users out there;

- How old are you?
- How long have you been using?
- Do you blast and cruise?
- Testosterone only or multiple AAS?
- How often do you get bloodwork?
- What is your current health? (Heart condition / blood pressure / hematocrit / lipids etc)


I know there are a broad range of people out there on this forum so I thought it'd be cool to get a bit of a sample going.
I think really what we are looking for are the users who have used AAS for 15-30+ years and are still healthy, or relatively so.

If you fall into the longer age range, tell us what you think kept you healthy!

 

[Whopperflopper]

Ask yourself this, is it better to burn out,or fade away? You really want to wear diapers? Get life insurance, take care of your own and die with no regrets.

 

[Jet Labs]

I'm mid 40s and been on/off gear since I was 24 and I'm fairly healthy still I think. I was a smoker and drinker for most of my adult life, but I also ate pretty healthy and worked out often. As of right now all my bloodwork is great, lungs are clear, heart size is normal, ekg was normal and current waiting on results from echocardiogram done a few days ago, will have results next week.

 

[malfeasance]

You never know.

I was listening to the Fouad Abiad and Like Sandoe last podcast together recently. They spent a lot of time talking about AAS and health and death. Luke commented something like, if he dies at 75 instead of 80, then it was well worth it.

He was dead within days at what, 30?

I saw another bodybuilder died this week.

This stuff is not healthy. Carrying the extra weight of muscle is not healthy.

I was 245 this a.m., and the truth is I do not feel like, oh, wow, I am really healthy at this weight. LOL! And yet I am trying to push to 250 . . .

 

[malfeasance]

It was March 20. but still.

Andy Haman's demise: Pro bodybuilder known as 'Mr Incredible' dies of unknown causes

Andy Haman aka Mr Incredible who starred as a bodybuilder in the movie 'Jurrasic Dead' dies at the age of 54 adhering to unknown causes.

www.republicworld.com

https://www.sportbible.com/australia/news-bodybuilding-community-in-shock-after-andy-mr-incredible-harman-dies-20210322

 

[malfeasance]

So a question that's always been on my mind - and one that I can't quite seem to find a decent answer for;

What is the lifespan of average AAS users?
We know there's a lot of irresponsible usage out there, but we also know that the medical community seems to be quite out of touch with the direct impacts AAS has on it's users. We only really hear horror stories of individuals who disrespected their bodies and the compounds.

So - to the AAS users out there;

- How old are you?
- How long have you been using?
- Do you blast and cruise?
- Testosterone only or multiple AAS?
- How often do you get bloodwork?
- What is your current health? (Heart condition / blood pressure / hematocrit / lipids etc)


I know there are a broad range of people out there on this forum so I thought it'd be cool to get a bit of a sample going.
I think really what we are looking for are the users who have used AAS for 15-30+ years and are still healthy, or relatively so.

If you fall into the longer age range, tell us what you think kept you healthy!

- How old are you?-----early - mid 50s
- How long have you been using?----a little more than a decade
- Do you blast and cruise?------Yep!
- Testosterone only or multiple AAS?------Multiple
- How often do you get bloodwork?------- 1-6 times a year (getting more frequent)
- What is your current health? (Heart condition / blood pressure / hematocrit / lipids etc)-------- blood pressure issues. Lipids are horrible on blast but excellent on cruise. Hematocrit can be an issue if I ignore it, but I do not.

 

[Jet Labs]

I'm pretty sure it's tren and other harsh stuff that's killing us off early!

 

[malfeasance]

I'm pretty sure it's tren and other harsh stuff that's killing us off early!

What about just the fact that 245 - 250 pounds is a lot of meat for the heart to achieve perfusion? It's probably worse than being 250 and fat.

But, yeah, there is plenty of evidence out there that some substances, like nandrolone, are just harmful to the arteries and heart in just about any amount.

Test at a dose in the human reference range though - I don't think there is any good evidence that this is harmful, and there seems to be quite a bit of evidence that it is protective.

Tren, LOL!

 

[Jet Labs]

What about just the fact that 245 - 250 pounds is a lot of meat for the heart to achieve perfusion? It's probably worse than being 250 and fat.

But, yeah, there is plenty of evidence out there that some substances, like nandrolone, are just harmful to the arteries and heart in just about any amount.

Test at a dose in the human reference range though - I don't think there is any good evidence that this is harmful, and there seems to be quite a bit of evidence that it is protective.

Tren, LOL!

I don't it's so much about size and more so about genetics and drug use. Lot's of the 70s guys ran nandrolone and lived quite long, but when stuff like tren/halo/clen/dnp and the like starting becoming popular is when a lot of health issues arose and guys started dieing younger.

That being said I'm absolutely positive supplements like pre workout stims play a huge part in cardiac related deaths amongst bodybuilders as well! Adding a ton of caffeine to high blood pressure daily is NOT good for cardiac health.

 

[Jet Labs]

I totally forgot to mention hgh/slin abuse as well. The vast majority of bodybuilder deaths I've heard of have been heart failure/attacks and that's from enlarged hearts, lack of blood flow from plaque build up and or Ischemia and then there's arrhythmia's that make the heart chambers beat out of sync and i believe that's caused by compounds like tren/clen/dnp/CAFFINE.

 

[Pantera]

I'm mid 40s and been on/off gear since I was 24 and I'm fairly healthy still I think. I was a smoker and drinker for most of my adult life, but I also ate pretty healthy and worked out often. As of right now all my bloodwork is great, lungs are clear, heart size is normal, ekg was normal and current waiting on results from echocardiogram done a few days ago, will have results next week.

Please update this thread when you get those test results.

 

[TrenBolognaSandwich]

If you're not abusing the fuck out of gear and putting your body at huge strain and keep things in check I don't see really why you can't have a pretty long span

 

[grey]

If you're not abusing the fuck out of gear and putting your body at huge strain and keep things in check I don't see really why you can't have a pretty long span

Like Malf et al already said: This shit is multifactoral.

How long did you use AAS?
-From what age?
-Which compounds (lets not pretend that Tren/Test/Halo cycles over 10 years is ANYTHING like T-Bol/Test cycles over the same duration as an example) ?
-In what dosing?

What are your genetic predispositions and diseases you have contracted in your lifetime?

What "recreational" drugs are used (and all of the above questions now apply to these drugs all over with potential for synergy)

What drugs have been prescribed all of the above questions now apply to these drugs all over with potential for synergy)?

How far above your homestatic norm are you holding your Lean Muscle Mass?
-For how long?

The list goes on forever.

There is a reason that pro-wrestlers (the population most likely to use AAS from young adulthood in mega-doses) tend to die of myocardial infarc well ahead of the genpop curve... Long-term use of AAS *will* increase your likelihood of a life-ending event from a combination of the other factors.


It isn't just one thing or another.

 

[Jet Labs]

Please update this thread when you get those test results.

Here you go brother

 

[Pantera]

Here you go brother

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Thanks for posting bro. Glad everything looks good. If I recall correctly you've been off and on since about 24 years old? I guess you've taken good care of your heart during that time. Couple of questions for you:

1) Do you take any blood pressure medication to help prevent LVH?

2) I'm in my early 30s and I have been thinking a lot about health lately. I'm gonna buy some Telmisartan and just stay on that year round to prevent LVH and hopefully reverse any LVH I may have already built up, as I have been blasting and cruising for the last 2 years. Is there any advice you can give me in regards to taking care of my heart?

 

[Jet Labs]

Thanks for posting bro. Glad everything looks good. If I recall correctly you've been off and on since about 24 years old? I guess you've taken good care of your heart during that time. Couple of questions for you:

1) Do you take any blood pressure medication to help prevent LVH?

2) I'm in my early 30s and I have been thinking a lot about health lately. I'm gonna buy some Telmisartan and just stay on that year round to prevent LVH and hopefully reverse any LVH I may have already built up, as I have been blasting and cruising for the last 2 years. Is there any advice you can give me in regards to taking care of my heart?

No meds and I was a smoker/drinker up until 6 months ago lol. Don't take any meds unless you actually require them!

Don't smoke, don't drink booze, don't do drugs, don't do heavy cycles, eat clean, avoid vegetable oils like the plague, do cardio daily and don't use steroids like tren/npp/sdrol and shit like that.

 

[KingCahoot3627]

Jestsfan, how much cardio do u do?
Please answer 20 minutes a few times per week

 

[Jet Labs]

Jestsfan, how much cardio do u do?
Please answer 20 minutes a few times per week

Honestly I've never done much cardio, but my workouts have always been around 2 hours with high volume/high intensity 5-6 days per week. I'm slowly getting on the cardio train though.

 

[cigardave007]

How old are you? 59
- How long have you been using? 19 yrs
- Do you blast and cruise? Yes
- Testosterone only or multiple AAS? 600Test/ 300Npp/Tbol or Anavar couple of times a year. Test when cruising
- How often do you get bloodwork? twice a year
- What is your current health? (Heart condition / blood pressure / hematocrit / lipids etc) All within range

I did take a year or so off with just cruising Test and no work outs. My normal workouts are about 45 minutes 5 days a week.

Never a heavy user. Granted I used just basic cycles but never had a bad issue. I look and believe I feel better than most my age (IMO).

 

[Jet Labs]

How old are you? 59
- How long have you been using? 19 yrs
- Do you blast and cruise? Yes
- Testosterone only or multiple AAS? 600Test/ 300Npp/Tbol or Anavar couple of times a year. Test when cruising
- How often do you get bloodwork? twice a year
- What is your current health? (Heart condition / blood pressure / hematocrit / lipids etc) All within range

I did take a year or so off with just cruising Test and no work outs. My normal workouts are about 45 minutes 5 days a week.

Never a heavy user. Granted I used just basic cycles but never had a bad issue. I look and believe I feel better than most my age (IMO).

I'd start doing blood work every 3 months brother.