Long time gym rat first cycle. Megatest 450, deca, hgh, Slin,

Oldman.

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Hello and thanks for the place to share my experience with my first cycle and learn from others. I speed read the sticky on posting cycle logs and tried to get all the info you would want. Pics will proceed the end of the cycle. I am self conscious and you don’t get my fat ass pics without the after ones :)


Please don’t tell me I need more time in the gym to grow naturally. Your to late. Also sorry for poor spelling. I do math not English.


First some background. I have spent many years in the gym since I was 14. On and off, depending on job, location and injuries. I have never been able to pass the 165 lean mass point. It seems to be my limit. Even with three years strait lifting while in the AF. Although getting big strong and fat seems to be. I got to 210lbs but was just strong and fat.


My stats. I am 36 years of age despite my screen name and am 5’6”. Beginning of my cycle I was 175lbs 15% body fat measured.

Week 8 195lbs 20% body fat. Same waist measurement as when I started.


-Problem areas, I don’t get bulky big. It’s just not in my genetics, fat ass is in there though. But the big weak areas are chest, biceps and shoulders, (I have a level three separation of the left clavicle and metal plates in the left forearm from a bike accident). They don’t want to grow at the same pace as the other side. I have gone to heavier drop sets and more volume and it’s helping. But bone on bone in the clavicle joint and poor contraction from the forearm makes this all harder. One last problem area is legs. They grow when I think about working them. Trying to keep them at or below 24” quad and 14” calve. Lots of matrix climber and walking.


-How much weight can I lift in a given lift? I have no idea and would need to guess. For me this is a stupid baseline question for younger lifters. I have old injuries that prevent me getting proper contractions in my left shoulder and arm, holding onto weight..... I see no reason to max out and risk injury. I can’t hold a 400lb dead lift with my left hand and need hooks. Nerve damage is a bitch.

Bench 225-250-285 incline-flat-decline

Squat 400lbs

Deadlift 400lbs


How I lift? Old school. My weight room is as basic as it gets with only a few machines. No hack squat, no Smith, no back cable pulls...... So old school is all I got. Land mines, bent rows........ I can drive across town to another In-Shape(there are three in my city) when I need new angles and some machine work. But let’s be honest old school is ok and all you need when your joints are still young and you have a clue in the weight room. I have started pre exhausting my larger heavy lift muscle groups so I need less weight for those movements and it’s much easier on the joints and seems to be working just as well as heave.



Diet- I An a sugar addiction so I try not to eat sugar at all. But my protein shake is loaded with natural sugars so I get my fix there. Honestly this is the hardest part to keep in check. I am seeing that most of the mental work is at the table and not the gym.

5000+ cal a day on a good day. 4000 on a bad one. 200+ grams protein,
I don’t eat raw sugar( when I can stop myself)or much wheat and no dairy.
I have three shakes a day with two to three meals.

My protein shake. 800+ calories 120 carbs, 50g protein. avocado oil for fat. Home made with fresh ingredients. No bullshit out of a tub.

-2.5 cups organic rice milk(water when cutting)
-2 organic bananas
-1tbsp organic avocado oil
-35grams egg white protein
-11 grams beef gelatin protein(remove this and it’s vegetarian)
-Fresh organic spinach
-Protease inzyme to cover the amount of protein. (Not to much gas problems)
-joint support
-creatine 10g post workout only


I am currently over half way through my first cycle(end of week 8) and things could not be going better. Zero sides at 800mg test and 450 deca. I mean zero sides at all :) I wish it was not the holidays. I have trouble resisting these chocolate cherries and I don’t do sugar damn it!


The gear I chose was all eurochem labs from muscle depot except for the hgh and Slin. Why? Because it’s an old company that’s been making it since The late 90s. I know lots of people on ec gear and all are happy. They also test good on Anaboliclabs.

-Megatest 450 (test e, test a, test undec)
-Decaject 250
-Hgh (it’s cheap China garbage but I was running 480+ IGF1 with blood test at 5iu at week 6)
-Humalog 8iu post workout(first 8 weeks, and during pct)
-HCG 125iu 3 times a week (starting week 7 ending last injection week)



My cycle.

-Weeks 1-14 letrozol 1.25mg eod for estrogen control. So far so good. I started at 2.5 and was a zombi. Backed off to 1.25 and energy came back.

-Weeks 1-3 -500mg test and 300mg deca mon, thurs. Hgh at 5iu ed. Slin 8iu post wo.

-Weeks 4-7 -600mg test and 375 deca. Hcg started week 7, 125iu 3x a week.
Mon, thurs. Hgh at 6iu ed. Slin 8iu post wo

-Weeks 8-11 -800mg test and 450 deca
Mon, thurs. Hgh at 6iu ed, hcg 125iu 3x a week

-Weeks 12-14 -900mg test and 500 deca
Mon, thurs. stanoject (injectable Winstrol) 25mg ed. Hgh at 6iu ed, hcg 125iu 3x a week. I may leave the test and deca dose down where it was and just add the win. I will see how I feel. But again these last weeks are still in limbo.


-PCT Starts two weeks after last injection. Continue letrozol during these two weeks at a reduced dose. Up hgh to 8iu and restart insulin post workout at 10iu. Nolva and clomid will be the pct. 6 weeks then have blood work.


I would like to be between 175 and 180 at 10% body fat so I have a ways to go if that can be achieved in this cycle. I doubt it but I am giving it the old college try.


My routine. 5 on 2 off. Mon-fri.

I am a morning person. I start the morning off at around 4am with my shot of hgh and a rip on my weed extract in my vape. Then wait until 6am to have coffee and my first protein shake with a few more rips on my weed extract. (I am a stoner and vape all day)

At 7ish I go workout. 1-1.25 hours depending on many factors.

On the way home I vape some more but once home I make another shake. Take my 8iu insulin and drink the shake. Then vape until One hour or so later when I have steak and eggs(30-50grams protein)

I then go home and sleep for 1.5 hours. I wake up and take my second shot of hgh. I vape some more. I then go and do 45-60 min of cardio and vape some more. Then have 10ounces chicken and 1/2 cup rice shortly after.

Sometimes I eat another meal and have another shake and sometimes I miss one or the other. It’s over 200 protein and 4000 cal on a bad day. My minimum was 3200cal to maintain. And lots of weed extract vaped :) ya I smoke to much weed but it’s not exactly against the law here and it may be why I have no aggression and can put down 5000cal a day.


Thanks for reading this novel and any suggestions are welcome as long as they are constructive.


Remember this is a cycle log for me and my experience may not be common. If you think this is a ridiculous first cycle with way to much and way to long then say so. I am aware 14 Weeks is a long first cycle, and a blended test is not always the best idea for a first cycle.....also that the test I am on should be shot three times a week due to the test a. But keep in mind it’s going great so far and I start week 9 come Monday the 20th. I can always back off if I see bad side effects. I have everything on hand so there is no danger of running out or not having pct.


I am taking this one week at a time and am willing to chance the cycle at any time if needed. Let’s just say it has changed a lot from it’s first planning.
 
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I have labs to prove my IGF1 and many pics. I can’t decide weather to hoast them here or off site. I will upload them at a later date.

My weekly schedual is....
Mon- back, minor biceps(personal trainer on these days)
Ties- chest, minor triceps
Wed- legs
Thurs- shoulders(personal trainer on these days)
Friday- arms

I have quit going to the gym with a plan. It’s to small and I never get to do what I wanted in the order I wanted. So I wing it for the most part day to day. But this has led to me staying sore and changing it up a lot.


If you are wondering what I do to have this much time I will decline to comment and simply say I live on the cheap on a small 50’ boat.
 
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Nice explanation. Short sweet and totally useless. Any suggestions other than to troll?
I have read many of your posts. They have a common theme. You laugh at people(lol) and tell them they are stupid and sometimes give good advice if the person kisses your ass. Sound about right? Try not being an arrogant ass and I will pay attention to what you say. Continue this way and I will completely ignore your responses.
 
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Nice explanation. Short sweet and totally useless. Any suggestions other than to troll?

Spend more time in gym. Except you didn't want to hear the truth, so yeah... I guess in your world I have no suggestions?

Here's a few other points though:

Use test only. Cyp or enanthate.

Your PCT paragraph is pretty much all wrong.

Deca is going to have you fucked up even worse for your PCT.

Your dosages make no sense. Explain the logic in tapering.

That test blend is going to fuck your PCT up. I don't think you understand esters.

You're going to keep taking an AI after you've removed aromatizing compounds, why?

Insulin for a first cycle is ridiculous, post your protocol.

If you need all this to grow on a first cycle, something is very wrong.
 
Ok now we can talk.

Spend more time in the gym?
Are you speaking of daily or that I need more experience in the gym? I spent a year doing two a days and got nothing but fat loss. I have plenary experience in the weight room but for that you will just have to take my word I suppose.

I had the 450 and it was a close ratio match for the deca. So that may have been a mistake. I have test e and can switch to that if that a better option. Again I need help not insults and assumptions. I do understand esters. It has to do with how long the t takes to break down, Active life and half-life.

I am at 800 mg megatest a week. Should I stick with that dose if I switch to test e or bring it back down? I try to keep a 5/3 ratio of test to deca.

Doe to the long esters in the 450 I decided to run anti estrogen longer than my injections yes.

How is the deca going to have my pct fucked up. Please elaborate?

My pct is all wrong? Again elaborate. What would you do diffferent?

The logic in the taper was to make sure there were no bad sides up front. Then move the dose up until I felt and saw strength increases. Then keep it there or maybe, a big maybe up the dose one more time.

My Slin protocol is post workout only. 8iu first 8 weeks. My protein shake covers 10iu. I inject them drink a shake. One hour later I eat. The reason for Slin during pct is only to go with the hgh. I am taking a break mid cycle for obvious reasons.
 
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Spend more time in the gym?
Are you speaking of daily or that I need more experience in the gym? I spent a year doing two a days and got nothing but fat loss.
HE MEANS YOU'RE LITTLE AND COULD GROW MUCH MORE NATURALLY IF SOMEONE DIALED IN YOUR TRAINING AND NUTRITION
FOCUS ON INTENSITY. 45-60MIN WORK OUTS WHERE YOU TRAIN YOUR ASS OFF. THINK DORIAN YATES STYLE


How is the deca going to have my pct fucked up. Please elaborate?
DECA STAYS IN YOUR SYSTEM FOR A LONG TIME AND KEEPS YOU SHUT DOWN


My pct is all wrong? Again elaborate. What would you do diffferent?
DITCH THE INSULIN AND LETRO. READ UP ON POWER PCT AND RUN THAT



BEING AS FAT AS YOU ARE, YOU SHOULD NOT BE TOUCHING INSULIN. NOT TO BE A DICK, BUT IF YOU'RE 20% BODY FAT DON'T USE IT.

ALSO, RECALCULATE YOUR SHAKE. THAT'S NOT 800+ CALORIES UNLESS YOU LEFT OUT INGREDIENTS
 
I have test e and can switch to that if that a better option.

Yes, it would be a better option.

Doe to the long esters in the 450 I decided to run anti estrogen longer than my injections yes.

You shouldn't need it... If you run letro all the way up to PCT your estrogen will crash.

How is the deca going to have my pct fucked up. Please elaborate?

Deca has a very long ester and you're starting PCT too early. You're starting PCT too early for just test... Deca is very suppressive, not a good choice for a first cycle IMO.

The logic in the taper was to make sure there were no bad sides up front. Then move the dose up until I felt and saw strength increases.

It doesn't work that way. For instance, the first time you make a taper up is when the compounds will be kicking in... Then you increase.. by the time they saturate you're taking them away. Pick a dosage and stick to it. The only way tapering has merit is if you're bumping a dose up at the very end of a cycle when progress is stalling.

As far as the insulin... I'm not going to even bother, drop the shit.
 
shoulda just done a basic first cycle.
who the hell does hgh and slin on their first cycle.
so much here is just weird.
 
i doubt that the supertest 450 is legit, otherwise a noob would be complianing about the PIP
 
It’s a long cycle and there is plenary of time to fix it. I am willing to listen. I only have a few friends who do there own thing and apparently are not doing it right and have been doing so for many many years.

I did not come on the boards to ask to begin with due to the knee jerk reactions I sometimes see. Better to ask for forgiveness.

So drop the slin. Already done.


Switch to test e. Since I am at 800 I will just stay there.

Your explanation of the taper makes sense. The way it was explained before by another made sense but, bro science strikes again.

I am not dropping the deca unless it’s a sticking point. Please help me keep it. My shoulder is working properly for the first time in 15 years and I suspect it’s the deca. You have no idea what it like to have a sore shitty arm and sundenly it better and you can lift hard again with no swelling or post workout pain. It kept me awake at night the last two years from my workouts I was not on the deca.

Is my pct correct just times wrong. That’s what you are saying?


Burr: I am not responding to haters. Only those willing to help. Remember I like many others wrongly listened to “experienced” users.
 
i doubt that the supertest 450 is legit, otherwise a noob would be complianing about the PIP
Sorry my friend. Pip is the result of the muscle not being familiar with the compound and mostly due to improper injection procedure. I had soreness the first few weeks but now it’s gone.

And yes if you hit the wrong spot or alternate locations the pip is not good. For by weekly injections find a painless spot and stick close to it every time.

And yes it’s legit. Source confirmed with manufacturer and product code verified with ec labs.
 
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Evom1. When is someone ready for the juice?

That’s up to the user. You have no idea how intense or proper I lift. Once you are at a point where you can do 35+ sets on a muscle group doing two a days hitting two different muscle groups a day. Should a cyclist not use them? At what level? I feel you are ready once your cardio and muscle insurance aproacjes athlete conditioning. Could I grow beyond 165 without it. Maybe maybe not. You don’t know my body. I do.

My shakes.

2.5xups rice milk. 270cal
2 large bananas. 240cal
35 G protein 150 cal
Beef gelatin protein 10g protein 80cal
Spinach blueberries.....
 
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you sound like you have experience, not like a noob.

some of your ideas are not in line with meso SOP, but other forums probably support it.

is this gonna transform into a plug for EC labs?

ive seen hundreds of noobs post their first cycle, and this looks nothing like them
 
No plug for the source. It was recommended in the sticky to include that info. Otherwise I would have left it out.

About a first cycle. I have seen many first cycles and think they are week test cycles. Take the risk for 5 lbs? Not how my mind works. So it’s my mindset that determined the cycle I care up with. I know not the smartest thing but it’s honest
 
I am not dropping the deca unless it’s a sticking point. Please help me keep it

In your case, if you're going to keep it, I would use it at 300-400mg. It's enough to see results as far as hypertrophy and your shoulder.

Is my pct correct just times wrong. That’s what you are saying?

It's timed wrong but it could be dosed wrong too... I don't know, you didn't list dosages. Go to steroidcalc and plot your cycle, it will help you determine when to insert PCT drugs... When the blue line all but bottoms out.

Sorry my friend. Pip is the result of the muscle not being familiar with the compound and mostly due to improper injection procedure. I had soreness the first few weeks but now it’s gone.

Not necessarily. Brewing technique, process and sterility are a few other important factors. High dose gear will commonly have PIP though, burr is absolutely correct.

My shakes.

2.5xups rice milk. 270cal
2 large bananas. 240cal
35 G protein 150 cal
Beef gelatin protein 10g protein 80cal
Spinach blueberries.....

Is this the shake you're using for insulin?

ive seen hundreds of noobs post their first cycle, and this looks nothing like them

Kinda looks like a stereotypical gym bro cycle... But a little more outta hand.
 
In your case, if you're going to keep it, I would use it at 300-400mg. It's enough to see results as far as hypertrophy and your shoulder.


It's timed wrong but it could be dosed wrong too... I don't know, you didn't list dosages. Go to steroidcalc and plot your cycle, it will help you determine when to insert PCT drugs... When the blue line all but bottoms out.


Not necessarily. Brewing technique, process and sterility are a few other important factors. High dose gear will commonly have PIP though, burr is absolutely correct.


Is this the shake you're using for insulin?


Kinda looks like a stereotypical gym bro cycle... But a little more outta hand.

Thanks for the advice on the deca!

I will go to steroidcalc today.

Yes I meant to say it could be many factors. Oil used, dose, sterility. Processing technique. My worst pip was when I forgot to purge between needle swaps. Again user error. My fault. Most that complain about pip through a cycle rotate locations and are injecting more than twice a week.


Yes this is the shake I drink with the slin.

Again most of my advice was friends and what I saw in others cycles.
 
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Thanks for the help in clearing up the issues in my plan.

I will post a revised cycle plan tomorrow. But now off to do some cardio.
 
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