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Low-Dose Tamoxifen/Clomid long term
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UncleBuns
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Wouldn't recommend it but if you go that route enclomiphene is likely the lowest side effect SERM.
mae_geri
Member
You want to use it as a Testo-Booster? Not recommended that way at all! Instead of these two, use Enclomiphene, it's less toxic with all the benefits of clomid and more! Are you natural?
mae_geri
Member
Clomiphene can lower IGF-1, one of the most anabolic hormones in the human body. This can limit gains in muscle mass, but it can easily be avoided by using MK-677, so me for example I'm using currently MK677 during my Cruise Phase (TRT). Anyway Clomiphene is also Toxic (Liver) it's not recommended long term at all! Use Enclomiphene instead.
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I had the best results as a natty when I used Tongkat Ali and Fadodgia Agrestis, my Free test elevated by 30% I was over the limit!
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I had the best results as a natty when I used Tongkat Ali and Fadodgia Agrestis, my Free test elevated by 30% I was over the limit!
RedViking
Banned
Nolva long term destroyed my eyesight. Look up the side effects, it's one of them. I thought i was going blind one day, dropped the nolva and within few days it was normal again. That shit scared me forever. Now i rather risk gyno than use that shit again
What was your dosage/frequency?
RedViking
Banned
10mg for 3 months. i think its only meant to be used in short bursts of time otherwise risk permanent damage
unkwnlifter
New Member
Can I ask why you want to use a breast cancer drug and a womans fertility drug on a daily bases to keep test levels up ??? Why not just run TRT
BigTomJ
Well-known Member
SERMS ARE NOT A SUITABLE REPLACEMENT FOR TRT.
Taking SERMS does not "naturally" boost test, it's still an artificial increase.
SARMs and research chemicals will not help, herbal supplements will not help.
Taking SERMS does not "naturally" boost test, it's still an artificial increase.
SARMs and research chemicals will not help, herbal supplements will not help.
unkwnlifter
New Member
This is what I don't get, now yes I have ran Mk677 added in, nova clomid pcts etx and they have benefits, but if you want testosterone then run testosterone, you want HGH levels run HGH. Imo it's like drinking Coca-Cola for cocaine when you can just go buy cocaine.
At 40 I just blast and cruise now and understand it's a life choice. And if I didn't want to blast I'd still be cruising on trt dialed in where I get my levels with out any other AI...less compounds is Best for long term health....now I don't compete if I was a pro that a different animal at my age it's just about looking and feeling good and long term health. No kids in my future so don't worry about HCG etx
For fertility reasons. And only once a week at low dose, not daily.
destined4gr8ness8
New Member
I disagree. For those who are looking to maintain fertility and increase testosterone levels, clomid has been shown as an acceptable option. And while you may consider it an artificial increase, it is as high up on the HPTA axis as you can get for results to avoid reciprocal inhibition seen with TRT.
This is becoming the standard of care for testosterone optimization for patients trying to preserve fertility by urologists.
BigTomJ
Well-known Member
The transient increase from taking pct/fertility drugs is exactly that, transient, temporary, not permanent.
SERMS are not suitable for long term use.
Period. End of discussion.
Clomid mono therapy is becoming standard of care, but only in a limited application to see if natural production can be regained without permanent intervention with exogenous testosterone.
It is not a suitable long term alternative, and it never was.
The only people pushing enclo/clomid as alternatives to TRT are shitty clinics that are trying to scoop up a portion of the market share that is scared of needles.
destined4gr8ness8
New Member
And the transient increase from taking testosterone is only that and leads to even more potential side effects than clomid so your argument makes no sense. Not to mention those with low T from prior exogenous use that take clomid and recover test levels will tend to maintain those levels once they stop clomid, so it actually is a more permanent solution than you think. Will it give them the supra-physiologic levels and gains that TRT gives? No, but for some its enough to improve mood, libido, energy and maintain fertility which is what OP wants.
Personally, I trust urologists with years of training and knowledge of the science and interpretation of medical literature on this topic than a gym bro. Good for you that you think otherwise.
BigTomJ
Well-known Member
Long term SERM use has a far greater risk for adverse health effects than proper HRT. This is not a subject for debate, this is already clearly understood.
Yes, see my post above regarding clomid monotherapy as a first treatment option for primary hypogonadism.
TLDR, clinics will basically "PCT" the patient first in hopes of reestablishing normal hormonal function and then cease the SERM use. if this method is unsuccessful at establishing a healthy natural baseline production, then the next option is TRT.
if your trt gives you supraphyiological levels then its not TRT.
The standard practice of correcting hypogonadism, while maintaining fertility is trt/hcg.
Which is time tested and proven effective.
it would behoove you to be informed yourself.
If you believe indefinite administration of a SERM for the purposes of treating hypogonadism is safer, or even remotely acceptable as an alternative to TRT, then your are woefully misinformed.
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